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BigChief 03-01-16 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by artclone (Post 18574228)
Super Newbe Raleigh Superbe Questions

I picked up a cute 5-68 hubbed Superbe and have some questions even after scouring this thread and Sheldon's site. Please help if you can.

1) Pronounced "Superb" or Super bee" (wouldn't mind knowing the Suntour pronounciation while I'm at it, hmm. )

2) No dynahub, light, or frame pump braze on. Was it normal to lack these? It does have fork lock.

3) What's the consensus on preserving this crusty paint as it (rusty but pretty solid and cool looking)? Super thick Wax? Motor oil? Linseed oil?

4) How much oil in hub? Coupla squirts a week?

5) Was a vinyl Brooks "mattress" seat standard in 68? 69? Or a B66? What color B66s on bikes that had them?



Thanks!

I have a 1969 Sprite that has no mounting lugs for a pump, so it is something Raleigh did do sometimes.
I use a liquid wax on my bikes, easier to apply than paste and seems to work well.

noglider 03-01-16 02:49 PM

@artclone, maybe the ideal lubrication interval is every couple of weeks as @JohnDThompson says, but the old hub is extremely forgiving. If you skip a year or several years, it will probably continue to work for decades. I'm not recommending that practice. My point is that doing something less than ideal to these hubs often yields satisfactory results, unlike lots of other mechanisms which really need service at the proper intervals.

adventurepdx 03-01-16 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by artclone (Post 18574228)
Super Newbe Raleigh Superbe Questions
1) Pronounced "Superb" or Super bee"

I always pronounce it "superb".


Originally Posted by artclone (Post 18574228)
2) No Dynohub, light, or frame pump braze on. Was it normal to lack these? It does have fork lock.

As stated above, it's possible that the removable stuff was...removed. The 1968 catalog shows Dynohub and light as stock.
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/retroral...talog-1968.pdf
As for pump pegs, it's also possible that they broke off. My '53 Rudge Sports only had one of the pump pegs intact.


Originally Posted by artclone (Post 18574228)
5) Was a vinyl Brooks "mattress" seat standard in 68? 69? Or a B66? What color B66s on bikes that had them?

Looking at that same catalog, looks like a Brooks B72 was standard for the Superbe and Sports. Listed in the catalog as "Brooks Butt Leather Saddle."

Also worth noting that the price of a Superbe in 1968 was $79.95. Adjusted for inflation, that would be $544.29 in 2016 dollars! (Prices US dollar.)

adventurepdx 03-01-16 03:41 PM

And since it's come up recently, there is a new source in the US for Fibrax "Raincheater" brake pads. It's Curious Velo in the Boston area. At about $10 a pair plus shipping, not a bad price:
Products ? {I am** Curious Velo
The do carry the rod brake version, too.

adventurepdx 03-01-16 03:46 PM

And before I forget, the first Three Speed Ride here in Portland is on Sunday March 20th!
Full details here:
https://societyofthreespeeds.wordpre...rday-20-march/

https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1502/2...428a27d2_z.jpg

artclone 03-01-16 03:54 PM


Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 18576400)
I always pronounce it "superb".



As stated above, it's possible that the removable stuff was...removed. The 1968 catalog shows Dynohub and light as stock.
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/retroral...talog-1968.pdf
As for pump pegs, it's also possible that they broke off. My '53 Rudge Sports only had one of the pump pegs intact.



Looking at that same catalog, looks like a Brooks B72 was standard for the Superbe and Sports. Listed in the catalog as "Brooks Butt Leather Saddle."

Also worth noting that the price of a Superbe in 1968 was $79.95. Adjusted for inflation, that would be $544.29 in 2016 dollars! (Prices US dollar.)

@adventurepdx @BigChief

Great info, thanks! The front rim, spokes and hub matches the rear, has R nuts, and the original reflectors like the rear. So if it wasn't an option to skip the lighting you're probably right -- a Sport front wheel or similar got swapped in. I imagine dealers would do the reverse when needed too.

Maybe broken peg got snapped off or maybe some just came without. But there isn't a whiff of anything showing it was there on the downtube -- but it may have been touched up. No big deal.

And I'd love to join that ride if I were up that way. Cool idea!

artclone 03-01-16 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 18576278)
@artclone, maybe the ideal lubrication interval is every couple of weeks as @JohnDThompson says, but the old hub is extremely forgiving. If you skip a year or several years, it will probably continue to work for decades. I'm not recommending that practice. My point is that doing something less than ideal to these hubs often yields satisfactory results, unlike lots of other mechanisms which really need service at the proper intervals.

@noglider @JohnDThompson
Thanks. That puts my mind to rest how much to fret about not knowing when the last time it was oiled. I'll give it a couple squirts and let me ears do the rest.

thumpism 03-04-16 07:56 PM

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Had occasion to return to the local antique place I mentioned a few pages back where I found a truly battered ladies' Phillips for a mere $40. No use asking prices at this place, because even the junk you cannot reasonably afford. Guy likes his stuff too much.

http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...p;d=1457142852

I took a pic of the drive side showing the only two unbent parts on the bike, the RH crankarm with PHILLIPS cutouts and the chainguard. Bike used to be red but has faded to silver mostly. Rear wheel is 40H Sturmey AW.

http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...p;d=1457142853

Seat tube had a great tubing decal that I'd never seen before, British Tube Mills Limited.

http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...p;d=1457142853

Also saw a nice Huffy Sportsman that is obviously made in England and has a 3SC.

http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...p;d=1457142854

clubman 03-04-16 09:15 PM


Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 18576400)
I always pronounce it "superb".

I'd tweak this. . Soo-pare-b...not soo-purb.
The spelling suggests "en francais, s'il vous plait."

Velocivixen 03-04-16 09:22 PM

Bien sūr.

adventurepdx 03-04-16 10:30 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 18585231)
I'd tweak this. . Soo-pare-b...not soo-purb.
The spelling suggests "en francais, s'il vous plait."

You know, it is a BRITISH bike. ;)

clubman 03-04-16 11:14 PM


Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 18585333)
You know, it is a BRITISH bike. ;)

Yes but the English and French have the longest-running and likely most passionate love-hate relationship in Western history. They can't keep their hands off each other and their bikes.:eek:

IronDan 03-05-16 03:17 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 18585391)
Yes but the English and French have the longest-running and likely most passionate love-hate relationship in Western history. They can't keep their hands off each other and their bikes.:eek:

To be honest we English hate pretty much everyone who isn't English and even then if you live down south you hate northerners and vice versa. But we do like moaning about the weather which today is freezing cold and snowing!

thumpism 03-05-16 06:25 AM

syu-PAIRB.

gster 03-05-16 08:19 AM

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http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=507945http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=507946Here's an overpriced Raleigh Twenty in Toronto. Owner is asking $750.00....

BigChief 03-05-16 08:41 AM

That is an especially nice one, but It seems that he is a year or too late to expect a big price for a common Raleigh. Those days are gone. For a while at least.

clubman 03-05-16 09:36 AM

Unique colour, impeccable condition. Can't say I've seen one with a rear AG hub. The twist grip kinda predates the rest of the bike which looks to be at least 69/70 given the pedals, levers, lights and crank. Maybe they used up some old stock parts. But $750? Maybe 1/3 of that on the best of days, or I'm just out of touch.

gster 03-05-16 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 18585910)
Unique colour, impeccable condition. Can't say I've seen one with a rear AG hub. The twist grip kinda predates the rest of the bike which looks to be at least 69/70 given the pedals, levers, lights and crank. Maybe they used up some old stock parts. But $750? Maybe 1/3 of that on the best of days, or I'm just out of touch.

I don't think they'll get any bites at that price. I think $200-$250 is fair.

Velocivixen 03-05-16 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 18585761)
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=507945http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=507946Here's an overpriced Raleigh Twenty in Toronto. Owner is asking $750.00....

I have been watching this for months, just out of curiosity. I do want another Twenty, but not that one. Before Christmas, or maybe in November it went down to $550.

arex 03-05-16 04:22 PM

Vintage Raleigh 20 folding bike

BigChief 03-05-16 05:03 PM

I can see an owner adding an aftermarket twist grip shifter, but it's hard to imagine a shopper buyer ditching an AW hub and lacing up an AG. Slick looking lamp and tail lamp too.This may be a factory edition. Never see one like it before. UK version maybe?

shadaboot28 03-05-16 06:59 PM

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Ive just bought 3 Raleigh lentons! They dont come up for sale too often but amazingly I have found 3 for sale in the past 2 weeks! And I've managed to buy them all for less then £50 each! Amazing:D

I'm going to try make one decent one out of the 3 then flog the rest of the parts that are left over.

This should keep me busy for a while!

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=508033http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=508034http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=508035http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=508036http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=508037http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=508038

BigChief 03-05-16 07:59 PM

Now it's 3! That's amazing. Interesting project bikes are getting harder to find with each passing year. If it weren't for that ocean, I'd be on my way to your house to talk you into selling me the rusty blue one. Looking forward to seeing pics of your project.

gster 03-05-16 10:56 PM


Originally Posted by shadaboot28 (Post 18586995)
Ive just bought 3 Raleigh lentons! They dont come up for sale too often but amazingly I have found 3 for sale in the past 2 weeks! And I've managed to buy them all for less then £50 each! Amazing:D

I'm going to try make one decent one out of the 3 then flog the rest of the parts that are left over.

This should keep me busy for a while!

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=508033http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=508034http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=508035http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=508036http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=508037http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=508038

I'm going to try make one decent one out of the 3 then flog the rest of the parts that are left over.
Those Bluemel fenders on the blue bike are worth the purchase price alone.

shadaboot28 03-06-16 03:28 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 18587100)
Now it's 3! That's amazing. Interesting project bikes are getting harder to find with each passing year. If it weren't for that ocean, I'd be on my way to your house to talk you into selling me the rusty blue one. Looking forward to seeing pics of your project.

I offer international shipping :D I recently just sent a whole Rudge pathfinder to the USA. If your interested in any of my frames or parts just let me know :)

mirfi 03-06-16 06:57 AM

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I really don't need another bicycle. But a Raleigh Twenty popped up on craigslist for $100. The guy was dumping stuff from grandma's house and this was buried in the shed. Wife said go for it(?). We met him in the down pouring rain, parking lot at night. This bad picture was the first I saw it in the light. I have since squirted oil/grease everywhere, changed seat post clamp, ordered longer seat post, ordered a 17/32 socket from HomeDepot ($2), and put about 3 miles on it riding around the lake. Been reading this thread for days, it has been enlightening to say the least. Thank you.

Better pictures to follow.


http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=508076

gster 03-06-16 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by mirfi (Post 18587680)
I really don't need another bicycle. But a Raleigh Twenty popped up on craigslist for $100. The guy was dumping stuff from grandma's house and this was buried in the shed. Wife said go for it(?). We met him in the down pouring rain, parking lot at night. This bad picture was the first I saw it in the light. I have since squirted oil/grease everywhere, changed seat post clamp, ordered longer seat post, ordered a 17/32 socket from HomeDepot ($2), and put about 3 miles on it riding around the lake. Been reading this thread for days, it has been enlightening to say the least. Thank you.

Better pictures to follow.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=508076

Good lookin' bike at a good price.

gster 03-06-16 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 18586783)
I can see an owner adding an aftermarket twist grip shifter, but it's hard to imagine a shopper buyer ditching an AW hub and lacing up an AG. Slick looking lamp and tail lamp too.This may be a factory edition. Never see one like it before. UK version maybe?

I suspect that back in the day, upgrades were offered by the dealerships. Also note that this is a non folding version.

Kuupola 03-06-16 11:56 AM

Is it normal to feel and hear the pawls disengage? I got a wheel built with a rigida chrina rim and an 1980 AW and I can feel the disengagement very prominently. Also, the hub seems tobhave sort of eccentric rubbing to the driver when freewheeling, as the pedals want to move forward at a single position of the hub. No shifter installed, as it hasn't arrived yet, but I am testing the hub on flat ground.

Velocivixen 03-06-16 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by mirfi (Post 18587680)
I really don't need another bicycle. But a Raleigh Twenty popped up on craigslist for $100. The guy was dumping stuff from grandma's house and this was buried in the shed. Wife said go for it(?). We met him in the down pouring rain, parking lot at night. This bad picture was the first I saw it in the light. I have since squirted oil/grease everywhere, changed seat post clamp, ordered longer seat post, ordered a 17/32 socket from HomeDepot ($2), and put about 3 miles on it riding around the lake. Been reading this thread for days, it has been enlightening to say the least. Thank you.

Better pictures to follow.


http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=508076

Welcome. Congratulations on your Raleigh Twenty! It's beautiful. I bought mine last spring for $60. Only problem was a worn cotter. I've since built new wheels, had it powder coated with new decals. It's fun to ride. I'd do a full overhaul with new grease and ball bearings, shift & brake cables/housing and brake pads. (I hope my unsolicited advise isn't offensive to you) :thumb: Would love to see some close up pictures. The folks here are a wealth of information. Congratulations!


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