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BigChief 01-13-16 04:25 AM

I've been alive long enough now that many of the furry friends in my life have passed. It is heart breaking when they go, but the friendship they brought is still with me.

BigChief 01-13-16 05:42 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 18455427)
Still got a '69 BSA 650 Lighting in the garage

Me too. Still have the 70 Bonnie I bought so many years ago. Hasn't been on the road for years. Someday...

gster 01-13-16 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 18455771)
Me too. Still have the 70 Bonnie I bought so many years ago. Hasn't been on the road for years. Someday...

I haven't ridden mine for awhile as well.....I prefer the bicycle.

kikaso 01-13-16 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by Oldpaint (Post 18455223)
A few pages back BF member dim asked the question "if you could only have one three speed, which would it be?" Although there are many that I would like to have, this 1965 bronze green 23 inch Sports is at the top of my list. This is mostly due to nostalgia(I owned one as a youngster), but I also am partial to the details on this series of Raleighs. After I decided this was what I wanted, it took about 5 years before I found one for sale. It was sold out of the original owners estate, and it looked like it had been in storage for many years. This looks like a fairly well ridden bike, but well cared for and not to banged up. The pump and D bag were in place when I bought it. The complete rebuild only required new bearings, new tires, and a pair of original equipment Dunlop tubes that were salvaged from a parts bike, along with a lot of cleaning and polishing. It is a comfortable and nearly silent riding bicycle. There must be many of these 1965s in existence, but they are rarely seen on the internet, either for sale or for show and tell. If you have one, I would love to see your pictures.


http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=498073 http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=498074 http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=498076 http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=498071

To borrow a term from Grant Peterson, that saddle has got some great beausage!.

3speedslow 01-13-16 10:15 AM

3 Attachment(s)
Tire report

All is wheel well. Specialized does make a tire sized for the 26X 1 3/8 590 rim. Put the tire on the rim with no tools needed. Seated right away. 45 psi used. Tube used was the 26X1.25 offered by Specialized as well.

Def a lightweight tire as it carries it's protection in the tread and less in the side. Would truly love to have a tan side wall but not a deal breaker. Off the shelf tires are good.The Raleigh is traditional black so will work colour wise.

picshttp://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=498117 http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=498118 http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=498121

On to the back. Don't work for Specialized nor the LBS either.

Add: tire has a slightly higher profile then the older Raleigh and required a slight adjustment of the fender.

Fidbloke 01-13-16 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 18454831)
Yes it is easier to search for Sturmey Archer axle nuts. We lump all the British threads into the name Witworth. So when you ask for SA axle nuts, it eliminates any confusion. I believe the axle threads are British Standard Fine. (BSF)

I think most of the threads on older Nottingham bikes are BSF.
The current ISO bicycle thread standard is based on the old BSC (British Standard Cycle).

The threads on the Sturmey Archer Dynohubs are actually BA (British Associated). The terminals are 2BA and the four nuts that hold the thing together are 6BA.

During my apprenticeship, we were taught about all these as completely separate thread forms and it confused the hell out of me when I first looked at Bike Forums and everyone kept talking about bikes having 'Whitworth' theads. To me, Whitworth threads are very coarse threads used on the huge bolts which held steam engines and Battleships together.!

It's possible that the cotter pins might be 1/4" Whitworth, as they look quite coarse, but I'm pretty certain that everything else on a Raleigh is BSF.
I've since Googled this and found that someone has lumped all the old British threads together under the name Whitworth. I can't see how that helps anyone... (Grrr!)

Anyway, that's my rant over.

Fidbloke 01-13-16 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 18454865)
Thanks- I'll give it a shot....



I used to own a 1962 BSA Super Rocket- leave it to the Brits to have 4 different thread types on the same motorbike- in addition to Whitworth and BSF, there was a pipe-fitting thread and British Standard Cycle. If you confused them, you ran the risk of damaging the thread as not only can the thread pitch be different, but the thread contour can be different too- so it won't go even if its the same pitch. Sheesh. Fortunately not run into that on the bicycles.

BSP (British Standard Pipe) is still used over here on some Gas (Natural Gas - not the wet stuff) fittings, and threaded metal conduit fittings...

Fidbloke 01-13-16 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 18451967)
Hey, anyone here that's worked with the SW hub- have you found a lubricant that allows it to work without slipping?

I know I should change this out (its on a 1958 BSA rod brake machine I just acquired) for an AW, but hope springs...

From what I've read, the old 'Bike Oil' that was recommended for these hubs was equivalent to Monograde SAE 20 or 30 motor oil. Your best bet may be to find a place that sells engine oil for 4-Stroke motor mowers. They may sell the oil in small enough quantities.
Failing that, find somewhere that services mowers and see if you can persuade them to fill your oil can.

Fidbloke 01-13-16 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 18456275)
Tire report

All is wheel well. Specialized does make a tire sized for the 26X 1 3/8 590 rim. Put the tire on the rim with no tools needed. Seated right away. 45 psi used. Tube used was the 26X1.25 offered by Specialized as well.

Def a lightweight tire as it carries it's protection in the tread and less in the side. Would truly love to have a tan side wall but not a deal breaker. Off the shelf tires are good.The Raleigh is traditional black so will work colour wise.

picshttp://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=498117 http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=498118 http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=498121

On to the back. Don't work for Specialized nor the LBS either.

They look interesting. And they don't shout 'modern' like some tyres do.
I'll have to see if they're available in Britain...

noglider 01-13-16 12:15 PM

@Oldpaint, you got really lucky. Very lucky.
@3speedslow, that's sad. Our dog is 12, and still hanging in there, but I can see she's getting weak and stiff, so her end time isn't here, but it's in sight.

Narhay 01-13-16 12:59 PM

I finished this 1972 Superbe up. It had some issues with stripped pedal threads in the drive side crank arm but my new Hozan taps cleaned that up nicely. I added a pletscher rack from the co-op as it was missing the original colour matched rack.

http://i1037.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5awamc9m.jpg

3speedslow 01-13-16 01:19 PM

Narhay,

Owww, that is nice! A big size frame too. One of my early Favorite 3 speeds was that colour.

I like the tires, will have to get use to the all black side wall on mine now.

BigChief 01-13-16 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by Fidbloke (Post 18456324)
I think most of the threads on older Nottingham bikes are BSF.
The current ISO bicycle thread standard is based on the old BSC (British Standard Cycle).

The threads on the Sturmey Archer Dynohubs are actually BA (British Associated). The terminals are 2BA and the four nuts that hold the thing together are 6BA.

During my apprenticeship, we were taught about all these as completely separate thread forms and it confused the hell out of me when I first looked at Bike Forums and everyone kept talking about bikes having 'Whitworth' theads. To me, Whitworth threads are very coarse threads used on the huge bolts which held steam engines and Battleships together.!

It's possible that the cotter pins might be 1/4" Whitworth, as they look quite coarse, but I'm pretty certain that everything else on a Raleigh is BSF.
I've since Googled this and found that someone has lumped all the old British threads together under the name Whitworth. I can't see how that helps anyone... (Grrr!)

Anyway, that's my rant over.

I think it may just be an American thing to just throw our arms up in despair and call all British threads Witworth. I always figured that it was something they did to us out of spite, like positive ground batteries.

dweenk 01-13-16 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 18457174)
I think it may just be an American thing to just throw our arms up in despair and call all British threads Witworth. I always figured that it was something they did to us out of spite, like positive ground batteries.

Don't forget Lucas electricals. My late father-in-law had 3 Triumph TR-3's. He said it took three to keep one running. That TR-3 had the largest steering wheel that I had ever seen - you needed the leverage to steer at low speed and park.

BigChief 01-13-16 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by dweenk (Post 18457186)
Don't forget Lucas electricals. My late father-in-law had 3 Triumph TR-3's. He said it took three to keep one running. That TR-3 had the largest steering wheel that I had ever seen - you needed the leverage to steer at low speed and park.

Remember the old joke...
Why do Englishmen drink warm beer...they have Lucas refrigerators!

Narhay 01-13-16 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 18456994)
Narhay,

Owww, that is nice! A big size frame too. One of my early Favorite 3 speeds was that colour.

I like the tires, will have to get use to the all black side wall on mine now.

Thanks. I am a fan of these gumwall tires on a few bike colours...Raleigh green seems to go nicely with them. The bike is not in perfect condition but it is fully serviced and at least it won't be sitting in my storage locker for much longer (hopefully). It is a 19" frame, I believe.

redfoxdogs 01-13-16 05:10 PM

7 Attachment(s)
Got my Sports back from being restored today! I made some non-authentic choices on the new stickers to suit myself. I don't like excessive stickers on such a pretty bike. I will be looking at options for racks and front light at some point, but it is cold and icy here in the north burbs and I won't be out riding for awhile. I also need to get a new bike rack that won't wreck bike fenders, so shopping suggestions are welcome. The guy who fixed this up for me lives in our neighborhood. Here is his website for some more photos and detail explanation of the process: John's Bicycle Restorations: Gretchen's 1972 Ivory Raleigh Sports 3 Speed Restoration

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Stuff that was done:

Powder coat
bearings and housings
Schwalbe tires
Sun alloy rims
spokes
cork grips
tire tubes
22 tooth cog
brake pads
gold chain
decals

It's soooooo pretty! Oh. Almost forgot to mention the braze ons.

noglider 01-13-16 05:14 PM

@redfoxdogs, that looks nice. Now go ride it in the grit and slush and road salt. ;)

redfoxdogs 01-13-16 05:21 PM

THAT is cool!





Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 18430814)
Before this becomes too much of a "For the Love of Low Gravity Bikes" thread, Worksman out in Ozone Park, Queens still makes their low-gravity bike (aka cycle truck, aka butcher bike, aka delivery bike) the same way they did back during the war. (Which war? Don't know.) I had one for awhile, and it could haul the stuff. I did have a three speed wheel installed to give it a little more range. I know it's a factory option when you order through Worksman, plus getting a drum brake front wheel.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6032/6...dd1e0a94_z.jpg

To bring it back to the love of English three speeds, the Low Gravity is good for hauling your stripped apart Rudge to the bike shop!

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7160/6...11a62031_z.jpg


Velocivixen 01-13-16 05:37 PM

@redfoxdogs - your bike's a real gem. I've read his blog before, and I'm so inspired by the before & after of the bikes he does. Lucky to have someone like that in your neighborhood.

redfoxdogs 01-13-16 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 18448806)
Here is the newly powdercoated 1971 Raleigh Twenty with new vinyl decals from VeloCals (thanks Santa!). Very easy to install, and they include detailed application instructions. I used the "wet" method. Of course, nothing is like the originals, but I'm happy and the bike is no longer having an "identity crisis". :thumb:

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1586/...d4e4f53e_z.jpgRaleigh Twenty Vinyl Decal by velocivixen, on Flickr

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1546/...32d49d5d_z.jpgRaleigh Twenty New Decals by velocivixen, on Flickr

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1719/...a27a2dca_z.jpgR20 Seat Tube Vinyl Decals by velocivixen, on Flickr




https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1675/...9a13b2bd_z.jpgRaleigh Twenty by velocivixen, on Flickr



https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1616/...906d5915_z.jpgR20 New Decals by velocivixen, on Flickr


They also sell a couple of different decals which are meant to have liquid paint clearcoat over the top - one is slightly thicker & the other is extremely thin.

Only regret is that I forgot to have @gugie add fork fender eyelets. I had to buy these ugly extensions from VO that extend from the axle so the fender stays would have a place to mount. Would like to find a R20 fork (with thimbles) that I could have eyelets brazed/welded on then have that fork powder coated. I'd make sure to remove the thimbles BEFORE powdercoat.

Nice! I kind of like it without fenders and with the rear rack you have.

gster 01-13-16 05:45 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 18457246)
Remember the old joke...
Why do Englishmen drink warm beer...they have Lucas refrigerators!

I worked on a film several years ago called Flash of Genius about the man who invented the intermittent wiper in the 60's. The joke is that it had been invented years before by Lucas, in fact all of their electronics were intermittent. Sometimes they were on and sometimes off.....

Velocivixen 01-13-16 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by redfoxdogs (Post 18457692)
Nice! I kind of like it without fenders and with the rear rack you have.

Thanks. It's hard to see but I have black fenders on it. They're SKS 20" fenders often used for recumbents.

redfoxdogs 01-13-16 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by Narhay (Post 18456936)
I finished this 1972 Superbe up. It had some issues with stripped pedal threads in the drive side crank arm but my new Hozan taps cleaned that up nicely. I added a pletscher rack from the co-op as it was missing the original colour matched rack.

http://i1037.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5awamc9m.jpg

That pump sure is shiny! Did it come with the bike?

redfoxdogs 01-13-16 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 18457628)
@redfoxdogs, that looks nice. Now go ride it in the grit and slush and road salt. ;)

Noooooooooooooooooooo!


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