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gster 08-07-16 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by bazil4696 (Post 18968297)
gster, what kind of tires(tyres) did you fit her with?

Cheap Chinese tires @ $16.00 a piece. I have them on a couple of other bikes and quite like them.

gster 08-07-16 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by markk900 (Post 18967300)
I love it - "modern record breakers give it their OK"...not wow fantastic, more like "yeah it was all right"....

BTW - @gster - for feeding the chain through the case try using an old inner brake wire with the end nub still attached - thread the wire through the last link then through the top run - pull the chain through and around the chain wheel and out the other end. Saves balancing the bike on its end!

Good advice! I suspect I'll have the back wheel off a few more times.

BigChief 08-07-16 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 18968521)
No. For 2 reasons, trying to keep it original and the sprocket is attached in a fashion that I'm not familiar with,
i.e not a "C" clip. It looks to be threaded on.

I haven't worked on a Hercules hub, but I have on another licensed AW hub made by Brampton. They are both copies of the earlier SA hub with a threaded instead of splined driver. The parts are interchangeable. If you ever wanted to, you should be able to swap the old style threaded driver with a newer SA driver that uses the usual splines and circlip to attach cogs.

Stadjer 08-08-16 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by bazil4696 (Post 18968289)
The chaincase on my Gazelle is not nearly the pain the Herc looks to be, but it's plastic and multi piece. The chain looks like the day it was installed, though!

Gazelle chains tend to get worse if they recieve too much attention from the owner. The traditional canvas chain guards aren't made to be opened fully often, as they are very difficult to get on as tight as it was.

Most Dutch manufacturers ditched the oil bath chaincase in the 1920's, as the design of the chains changed and they needed less oil to be durable.

thumpism 08-08-16 02:33 PM

While at the local bike co-op picking up a used B.O.B. trailer I was wandering around the back room and found the remains of a treasure, a coffee brown 23" Raleigh Sports men's frame and some parts. If anyone is interested I can provide the contact info. I have one like it so don't need another, and mine is not nearly as shiny and un-nicked but someone might be interested in this very nice frameset (frame, fork, headset) with stem, chainguard and rear fender. Everything else is missing. No price that I could see.

BigChief 08-08-16 04:32 PM

A quick note about Evapo-Rust. Works great on rust stains on chrome, but some nuts, bolts and things like steel shifter pulley and steel fulcrum clip grommet on my Rudge have a cheaper plating that looks like Parkerizing. They look great at first, but in short order, they turn solid rust brown. The Evapo-Rust destroys what ever is left of this finish leaving the steel unprotected. I cleaned them up again, put on a coat of aluminum paint and called it good.
Would have looked better if I had left them alone though. My old Rudge is a rider, no big deal, but it would be a problem on a quality preservation bike.

Utech22 08-09-16 04:22 AM

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Yo Jimbo 08-11-16 05:43 AM

Got it ready to ride, found an original saddlebag and headlight mount, retro style headlight and rear rack (will do till I find find period pieces). Took it for a ride last evening and I could not stop smiling. It,s a 1967 model, built the year I got married and was waiting for me all this time.http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...ps2wpzhyd4.jpg

ascherer 08-11-16 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by Yo Jimbo (Post 18977102)
Got it ready to ride, found an original saddlebag and headlight mount, retro style headlight and rear rack (will do till I find find period pieces). Took it for a ride last evening and I could not stop smiling. It,s a 1967 model, built the year I got married and was waiting for me all this time.http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...ps2wpzhyd4.jpg

^oooooooooo! :love:

ApolloSoyuz1975 08-11-16 10:01 PM


Originally Posted by Yo Jimbo (Post 18977102)
Got it ready to ride, found an original saddlebag and headlight mount, retro style headlight and rear rack (will do till I find find period pieces). Took it for a ride last evening and I could not stop smiling. It,s a 1967 model, built the year I got married and was waiting for me all this time.http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...ps2wpzhyd4.jpg

I rate it 5 out of 5 tweed jackets. :love:

Yo Jimbo 08-12-16 01:42 PM

Does a 5 speed Britt count? My Pashley Roadster.http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...ps46jrta1a.jpg

Yo Jimbo 08-12-16 01:51 PM

Pashleyhttp://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...psbvl9wh5c.jpg

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Pashleyhttp://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...ps3aat8bhr.jpg

BigChief 08-13-16 04:43 AM

Ahh, there's some classy rides. Did your Sports come with the B66? I've always preferred them to the stock B17s for upright riding.

gster 08-13-16 05:56 AM


Originally Posted by Yo Jimbo (Post 18977102)
Got it ready to ride, found an original saddlebag and headlight mount, retro style headlight and rear rack (will do till I find find period pieces). Took it for a ride last evening and I could not stop smiling. It,s a 1967 model, built the year I got married and was waiting for me all this time.http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...ps2wpzhyd4.jpg

Excellent work!

Yo Jimbo 08-13-16 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 18981952)
Ahh, there's some classy rides. Did your Sports come with the B66? I've always preferred them to the stock B17s for upright riding.

Thanks Chief, it was on it when I bought it and looks to be of that time period, someone must have swaped it for the B-72 at some point.

dweenk 08-13-16 01:08 PM

Raleigh stamped steel wrench
 
I am looking for a Raleigh stamped steel multi-wrench that was part of the kit for all Raleigh 3 speed bikes back in the day. I have had my wrench since the middle 1970's, and it is becoming more and more imprecise.

Stadjer 08-14-16 10:08 AM

As the loved 3-speed itself is English, I think this is the most appropriate topic.
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I bought this one friday, it's the seller's picture. It's a 40+ year old Gazelle, it's the top of the line model what was rather stupidly called the Impala. As you see it's in a typical 70's colour, and this is also the decade that under the influence of road bikes, Gazelle went light weight. It's a 28", framesize 65 cm, and including all that's on it, it weighs only 22.5 kilos. That must be at least 3 kilo's lighter than it's predecessor. It's all original, including the pump and the luggage straps, except for the led lights on batteries, which I think is a genuine improvement in practicality, and the rear tyre does look more eighties than early seventies.

As it's not even halfway it's lifespan, it lacks the nostalgic charm of it's predecessors and the seller had to clear out his garage before he even got to work on it, he didn't even clean it. I got it for 100 euro's, my maximum for a daily bike as I don't want to worry too much about it getting stolen. But I did put that money where my mouth is. I've often had a big mouth about pre 80's Gazelle's beeing extremely well build, and hardly needing any maintenance. So I decided to take the bus to the neighbouring province where the seller lives, buy the bike and ride it 30 km's back home. Without a plan B, just brought with me a bag with a tyre patch set, a bottle of water, a jacket, an umbrella and a banana.

First I got lost for half an hour in a few of the so called cauliflower and spaghetti neighbourhoods of this sleepy town called Assen, which are famous for making people loose any sense of direction, and it was too cloudy to use the sun for orientation. But once the friendly locals got me on the main road to the City I live in and after making sure I was taking it in the right direction, and with only 28 km to go, it's where I really started to appreciate the bike. A flat and straight cycle lane, cars to the left, behind an endless row of trees, the smell of manure to the right, some pretty villages in between, 4-5 Beaufort head on, that's it's natural habitat.

I'm probably a couple of years older than the bike, through injury I haven't done any sports for 5 months, it must have been a decade since I biked more than 5 km and I really wanted to average 20 km/h to get home in time, but I worked up more of a sweat with a brisk walk to the bus I was almost too late for than on this bike. Of course they are not for racing speeds and the ride position isn't very aerodynamic, but up to 25 km/h, or 20 km/h with this strong head wind, it doesn't get much more efficient. The bike is as straight as a ruler, and with it's head tube angle it goes in straight line by itself (no trouble peeling the banana with two hands), which helps of course, but the upright position makes sure it's only the biggest, strongest and most torquey muscles working, the thighs and the buttocks, hardly exercising them at the low revs of 3rd gear.

That's were the English 3-speed comes in, I don't know if Sturmey Archer made them with different ratio's, or that it felt like that because this 65 cm frame fits me much better than smaller ones, but 1st and 2nd seemed really close and just to get the bike going after a stop, to get into 3rd after about 30 meters. The 'metres of development' of this 3rd gear is just a brilliant fit. Also it's simply a low resistance mechanism if adjusted correctly, mine is probably never re-adjusted since leaving the factory and the freewheel clicking sounded great.

Needless to say that me and the bike made it back home. Even the rubber luggage straps held my bag tight on the rear carrier, the bike didn't produce any sound a new one shouldn't make, about half way I felt i minute vibration through my left big toe, it went away after a few revolutions, so I gues one of the balls in the left ball bearing of the cranck is a bit dirty or not perfectly round anymore, so that ball bearing will have to be replaced in the next ten years. The nut on the kickstand needs to be tightened, the cable housing between the lever and the frame is damaged and needs to be replaced. I'm going to raise the handlebars to their max and maybe put the saddle back a bit, replace the lock with a newer one that combines with a chain lock, and if the anticorrosive oil has done it's job on the button that keeps the chaincase closed, I might even take a peek at the condition of the drive chain. But it felt all right and I'm quite sure it doesn't need replacing, and these chaincases are better left closed unless it's really necessary, so that's about it for the work I'm going to do on it. It's a triumph of durability, and I'm very happy with it.
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arex 08-14-16 11:40 AM

That's a beautiful bike.

Yo Jimbo 08-15-16 12:37 PM

Wow! That's a great looking bike Stadjer, and a great story too.

Stadjer 08-16-16 02:57 AM

Thanks. Seller also had a predecessor from the 60's, full black with black coat guards and stainless steel rims he had already worked on and put in pefect condition and I was tempted because it's much more the model I always coveted. Consideribly heavier and slightly more rigid, I would always choose rigidity over weight. But it was 200 euro's, and too much of a collector's item not to be stolen if left outside regularly, and I'm not going to worry about that because it's takes the main point out of biking, which is the freedom to move. Maybe if it was even older, with black muffled rims and even more of an angle on the head tube I hadn't been able to control myself, but this time I made the sensible decision and grew to love the bike in the 1.5 hour back home.

I even start to appreciate it's seventies colour. Maybe there's some oldtimer event here in the region soon were everybody shows up with their 20's or 50's bike and appropriate clothing. With every body dressed in 20's tweeds or 50's suits I'm going to show up in my turquoise bell bottoms, Florsheim beatle boots and brown leather jacket and go for a funky ride with some flappers on their elegant 20's oma's.

arex 08-16-16 11:23 PM

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Seizedpost 08-21-16 05:08 PM

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Hello all,
I posted this in a separate thread, and someone suggested I ask here. I have no experience with three speeds and would appreciate any suggestions.
My dad just picked up this 1967 Hercules for my mom. I am not home and will try to remotely help him tune it up. Aside from fixing the brake cable and cleaning it, he says that the rear wheel does not spin freely. I'm thinking that either means the bearings need to be adjusted or there's gunked up old oil in there (3-in-1?). He has some Harbor Freight compressor oil, which might be 30w (he's not sure), and he has Marvel Mystery Oil, which I've heard is the recommended 20w and can be used.
Should I tell him to fill it with Marvel Mystery Oil? If it is gunked up that might help right?

noglider 08-21-16 07:14 PM

The experts will correct me if necessary, but the AW hub isn't picky about which oil you use. Some 3-in-1 is vegetable based and is therefore one of the few bad choices. In theory, you should use an oil without detergent, which means you shouldn't use car motor oil, but in practice, I doubt it makes much difference. I've even used ATF which is a pretty decent general purpose bike lubricant.

BigChief 08-22-16 08:18 AM

Non detergent oil was always recommended for small engines that didn't have oil filters. The reasoning being that the non detergent oil wouldn't disturb the gunk built up in the crankcase and end up being suspended in the oil. Since this doesn't apply to a relatively clean unit like an AW hub, I don't see any reason not to use regular motor oil.

noglider 08-22-16 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19002072)
Non detergent oil was always recommended for small engines that didn't have oil filters. The reasoning being that the non detergent oil wouldn't disturb the gunk built up in the crankcase and end up being suspended in the oil. Since this doesn't apply to a relatively clean unit like an AW hub, I don't see any reason not to use regular motor oil.

Ah, thanks. I would have continued to use motor oil, but now I feel more at ease about it. It seems fine for the whole bike wherever it needs oil.

nlerner 08-25-16 06:16 AM

Raleigh roadsters from the early to mid 1930s had decals rather than metal badges, so yours might be from that era with the decal worn off. Definitely a Raleigh fork crown. I don't think that front brake is pre-WW2, however. Mysterious!

BigChief 08-25-16 07:01 AM

The forks, crankset, fenders, position of the serial number and the rear fender stay mounts are all Raleigh. I'm not familiar with the steering tube lug shape though. I've only had post war Raleighs. Maybe that lug shape is an earlier one.


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