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bazil4696 09-27-16 11:23 AM


Originally Posted by smontanaro (Post 19085065)
Thanks for the suggestions. The Schwalbe website suggests they have a gumwall version of their Delta Cruiser, article number 11101084. The Continental website suggests they have a whitewall version of the City Ride, article number 0100705. That Delta Cruiser with "creme" sidewalls might be the ticket.

Edit: Never mind on the screme Schwalbe. That's a full white tire, not really my style...

I've got the creme delta cruisers on my medium grey Gazelle, but it so needed the punch of some brightness. I wouldn't want them on my Raleighs. I was hoping to find a set of Panaracers, they get good raves from others who have them, but my LBS had the Continentals in stock, so I went with them.

SquidPuppet 09-27-16 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 19085300)
Your kilometerage may vary.

:lol::lol:

BigChief 09-27-16 03:19 PM

There is also Road Sport in 590. Haven't heard a thing about them one way or the other. They look nice. No reflective strips at least. I've been happy with Kendas so far.
https://www.specialized.com/us/en/co...adsport/105857

gster 09-27-16 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by bazil4696 (Post 19085036)
I like the Schwalbe Delta Cruiser whitewalls.
I have a set of Continental City Ride skins that are good, too, and look nice. I just wish they were gumwall. Blackwalls leave me wanting a little more pizzazz, and I compare them to my cheaper kendas on a CCM that I flipped

Mini fenders! or as the refined say.. "Fenderettes".

gster 09-28-16 04:30 AM

Vintage Schwinn 3 Speed
 
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For sale locally (Toronto) I suspect a re-branded Raleigh product.

BigChief 09-28-16 05:27 AM

That's a Schwinn lightweight. Well... Not as light as a lugged Raleigh Sports, but for a Schwinn, it's lightweight.
Nice bikes though. They had different names over the years. Not sure which one this is. And...No cotter pins!

thumpism 09-28-16 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19086920)
That's a Schwinn lightweight. Well... Not as light as a lugged Raleigh Sports, but for a Schwinn, it's lightweight.
Nice bikes though. They had different names over the years. Not sure which one this is. And...No cotter pins!

And this one appears to have a front wheel smaller than the rear, with a different brake to achieve the reach required. Looks like an early Parapull brake.

bazil4696 09-28-16 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 19086864)
For sale locally (Toronto) I suspect a re-branded Raleigh product.

The Raleigh frames are easy to spot because of the fender bolt hole and hole boss sticking straight out the back of the rear lug. They were the only mfg to do that.

BigChief 09-28-16 06:24 AM

I don't know enough about schwinns to say for sure, but this appears to be an earlier model. Early 60s maybe. A Traveler or World, something like that. You're right. The front wheel does look smaller. It's not just perspective. weird.

Velognome 09-28-16 06:32 AM

In defense of Delta Cruisers. I ran them slightly lower than the recommended pressure. They rode soft, like giant marshmallows. Great for Boardwalk rides or trips around the block, which is what I assume they were designed for.

My Kilometerage was dim....course I measured it through a Lucas lamp so what more could be expected?

browngw 09-28-16 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by noglider (Post 19085300)
I had the Delta Cruiser tires on my 3-speed, and they felt like rocks to me. I switched to cheap Kenda tires and was happier. Your kilometerage may vary.

I replaced the cheap Kenda tires on my 3speed Robin Hood with Delta Cruisers and unlike Tom, liked the ride and feel of the slightly more volumous Schwalbe. Sure do look good on "Robin". Sorry Tom:)

noglider 09-28-16 10:56 AM

I don't understand why I had that experience with the Delta Cruisers. Most people report that the ride is soft. I should consider myself an outlier.

Salubrious 09-28-16 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19087000)
I don't know enough about schwinns to say for sure, but this appears to be an earlier model. Early 60s maybe. A Traveler or World, something like that. You're right. The front wheel does look smaller. It's not just perspective. weird.

Its a Schwinn Racer with the more deluxe chrome package. The front wheel has been replaced.

michaelz28 09-28-16 04:46 PM

What is the story with a Handsworth ( UK ) built bike ? I always assumed my bike was built at Nottingham . The bike is a 74 Sports

SirMike1983 09-28-16 08:14 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19087000)
I don't know enough about schwinns to say for sure, but this appears to be an earlier model. Early 60s maybe. A Traveler or World, something like that. You're right. The front wheel does look smaller. It's not just perspective. weird.

Probably so. Looks like a '63-64 Traveler to me with quite a bit wrong with it. The Raleigh 3 speed was the better bike by that time. Would pass on that Schwinn-- too much work and money for that bike to be complete again.

SirMike1983 09-28-16 08:15 PM

1958 Raleigh Sports with the FW hub. Brakes are the original holders with modified Kool Stop Mafac Tandem pads in them. Save your brake shoe holders. You can modify Kool Stop pads with a Dremel to fit.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yxTZ6XGNF...925_175125.jpg
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-TVBVUgAAl...925_175140.jpghttps://1.bp.blogspot.com/-P8xXmacR0...925_174206.jpg

BigChief 09-28-16 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 19088908)
1958 Raleigh Sports with the FW hub. Brakes are the original holders with modified Kool Stop Mafac Tandem pads in them. Save your brake shoe holders. You can modify Kool Stop pads with a Dremel to fit.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yxTZ6XGNF...925_175125.jpg
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-TVBVUgAAl...925_175140.jpghttps://1.bp.blogspot.com/-P8xXmacR0...925_174206.jpg

Wow, what a beauty!! Doesn't get any better than this. Someday I'll find a 50s tall frame Sports.

gster 09-29-16 04:08 AM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 19088908)
1958 Raleigh Sports with the FW hub. Brakes are the original holders with modified Kool Stop Mafac Tandem pads in them. Save your brake shoe holders. You can modify Kool Stop pads with a Dremel to fit.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yxTZ6XGNF...925_175125.jpg
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-TVBVUgAAl...925_175140.jpghttps://1.bp.blogspot.com/-P8xXmacR0...925_174206.jpg

Fantastic!

Stadjer 09-29-16 06:40 AM


Originally Posted by browngw (Post 19087528)
I replaced the cheap Kenda tires on my 3speed Robin Hood with Delta Cruisers and unlike Tom, liked the ride and feel of the slightly more volumous Schwalbe. Sure do look good on "Robin". Sorry Tom:)

Great colour. I'd like to steel it and ride it to the poor.

bazil4696 09-30-16 09:11 AM

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I decided I liked the machined shifter cable pulley so much, that I'd like to see what it looks like in brass.
I included a shot of the stainless one I presented last week.
I'm tending to go with the brass one, because it makes the gold pinstriping pop.
Brass one is mounted on my '73 Raleigh superbe, the stainless one on my '71 Raleigh Superbe

bazil4696 09-30-16 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by browngw (Post 19087528)
I replaced the cheap Kenda tires on my 3speed Robin Hood with Delta Cruisers and unlike Tom, liked the ride and feel of the slightly more volumous Schwalbe. Sure do look good on "Robin". Sorry Tom:)

Nice to see another "local" enthusiast! That bike is gorgeous!

browngw 09-30-16 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by bazil4696 (Post 19092104)
Nice to see another "local" enthusiast! That bike is gorgeous!



Thanks @bazil4696 . Hope to see you at a local vintage meet someday. As well as the Robin Hood, I have a 1979 DL1.


http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...4&d=1450019981

BigChief 09-30-16 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by browngw (Post 19093265)
Thanks @bazil4696 . Hope to see you at a local vintage meet someday. As well as the Robin Hood, I have a 1979 DL1.


http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...4&d=1450019981

Beautiful roadster. I'm going to mention something and I'll tell you why. I spent 15 years with the front brake of my DL-1 pads/arms mounted backwards. That's the way it came and I never knew different until it was pointed out to me here on this thread. The pads are supposed to be mounted behind the stirrup like this. They do work better this way.
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BigChief 09-30-16 08:18 PM

I'm going to go out on a limb and propose a theory. I see the pads mounted in front of the stirrups all the time. I have 2 DL-1s and they both came that way. It may be possible that they were deliberately mounted trailing instead of leading for the American market because they are somewhat less effective that way. Since Americans are used to operating the rear brake with their right hands perhaps Raleigh felt it best to weaken the brake since the rod brakes are British fashion. ie Right/front left/ rear. The factory catalogs show them mounted leading. Thid fellow is probably smiling because he knows his Roadster's brakes are mounted correctly.
http://www.kurtkaminer.com/1973raleighcat_16_lg.jpg

agmetal 09-30-16 08:25 PM

It's interesting reading your guys' descriptions of the positioning of the brake pads...on my '37 Tourist, there's no option for this.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...930_222321.jpg

SirMike1983 09-30-16 08:43 PM

The arms were added to the DL-1 brakes starting in the 1950s to try to smooth the braking action. They were supposed to be mounted rearward so the pads sit back under the fork blades, but you see them either way. Design drawings of them from the '50s describe them as an anti-vibration invention mounted back under the fork blades. They were patented in 1954. The idea was that setting a point of support offset from the stirrup would reduce the natural bowing of the stirrup forward under braking load.

In the US, I've seen them forward more than back. I found mine worked substantially better and smoother mounted forward, so I left them that way after trial and error. I tried it both ways, and went with them forward, even if the design shows them backwards.

BigChief 09-30-16 09:34 PM

That's interesting. I experimented with them quite a bit and found the opposite. They seemed to be strongest when the arms were eliminated, but then you can see why Raleigh developed the offset arms. It is much smoother and less grabby with the arms. I also spent time learning the set up. That made an improvement also. I found 3 things. Since the pads move in as they move up, you want them to both land where they are supposed to on the rim and evenly. In and out is adjusted by moving the anchor up or down on the fork leg. Since there is no adjustment up or down, I held a strip of emery cloth against the rim, added slight pressure with the lever and rolled the wheel to draw the emery cloth across the higher pad until they landed evenly on the rim. The third thing is that since there's not much travel and a lot of flex in the levers, you want to adjust the linkage so the pads are as close to the rims as possible.

BigChief 10-01-16 05:53 AM

@agmetal Thanks for posting the picture of the early brake. I always wondered why there were return springs up on the handlebars. It seemed redundant since the stirrups act as return springs. It seems they left the ,necessary on the earlier system, handlebar springs for good measure even after the changed the design. This is a great thread. I learn things here all the time.

gster 10-01-16 07:26 AM

Vintage Robin Hood 3 Speed
 
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Another Toronto Kijiji posting. A vintage Robin Hood 3 speed, year unknown but I suspect early 1960's. This one's located at College and Bathurst and reasonably priced at $139.00.

BigChief 10-01-16 08:11 AM

That's a nice one. Mid 50s from the brazed on pulley lug. Great color. I'd get rid of that Wald chainguard and try to paint up a proper one.


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