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Bah Humbug 06-06-20 01:32 PM


Originally Posted by kissTheApex (Post 21518648)
I did NOT know that. That would explain the swings I was getting let’s say Sunday early morning indoor rides versus Monday after work indoor rides.

Ah, yeah. And it's relative to your expected power (bike) or pace (running) to HR. It also punishes me heavily for riding with AG, because it thinks my HR should be lower than it is for the lower effort. I've come to the conclusion that it's mostly useless (which of course doesn't stop me from looking at it and wanting it to go higher).

seedsbelize 06-06-20 01:33 PM

I seem to have an edge today. I wonder what's up with that.

Bah Humbug 06-06-20 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 21518674)
So I have a question. Maybe I should ask the marginal gains podcast gang, but I will start here. My suspicion is it doesn’t make much of a difference, but the question involves whether you should pedal downhill when going medium pace, say at 25MPH on a 3-4% downhill. I usually do soft pedal at maybe 50-100w, and I expect that gets me only 1 MPH faster than just coasting. It’s easy to calculate the gain/cost using an online calculator to estimate the aero benefits of coasting vs pedaling and the speed difference at coasting vs soft-pedaling. The harder part is figuring out if the modest power output “costs” anything from future output needed when the inevitable next climb starts.

Anyone have some evidence based answers?

I don't have numbers (go ask MG for those), but my understanding is you're still "recovering" at 50-100w and so the added speed is worth it. The very marginal additional recovery of 0w would have a hard time overcoming lower speed on that downhill. In general, in tri, the goal is to be thumping out as much power as you can on the downhills because it'll still be lower than average and still be raising your VI.

Trsnrtr 06-06-20 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by Bah Humbug (Post 21518327)
Dead in the forest since before I was born. My uncle (who's also getitng one of the knives) had to drag the rear subassembly back to his garage to get the leaves off with a plasma cutter because they were so thoroughly rusted to the frame.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6e32d53409.jpg


Cool! :thumb:

Trsnrtr 06-06-20 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by kissTheApex (Post 21518514)
My garmin told me I’m 3% acclimated to heat after this morning’s ride.. what puny acclimatization! It feels like a pity acclimatization.


I'm up to 9%. :)

Trsnrtr 06-06-20 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by rjones28 (Post 21518523)

Similar to my wife's 2019 Road AR.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6444e8e27.jpeg

Bah Humbug 06-06-20 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by Trsnrtr (Post 21518742)
Cool! :thumb:

That is, indeed, a dead box spring that was thrown away inside the car. Different time...

Trsnrtr 06-06-20 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by seedsbelize (Post 21518695)
it's a bike, datlas go out and enjoy yourself.

"qft"

bampilot06 06-06-20 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by Trsnrtr (Post 21518755)


looks like a blast to ride.

WhyFi 06-06-20 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by Bah Humbug (Post 21518515)
And it was damn amateur hour out on the MUP this morning. At the start of my second loop down the trail I saw two people sitting fixing a wheel; when I asked if they were ok they asked if I had a pump. It turns out B had already stopped to help A, and between them they had one CO2 that had been left screwed into the chuck and slowly leaked out, and was fused to the chuck. I used my chuck and CO2 to inflate the tire and... it immediately popped because he hadn't checked the tire, and the tire had a good 1/2" gash in the sidewall from hitting whatever he hit, which also had driven a spike of clincher bead into the tire. Tire shot, new tube shot, rim likely shot, and he had no idea on anything.

Meanwhile, before even trying my CO2, I hear a crash behind me, because some tri girl out with one of the big local groups wiped out. She stone-cold ignored the 4-5 people asking if she was ok and rode on, so I guess she was, but wow.

In the end I bailed halfway through lap 3 because I couldn't take it any more.

Well, that makes me feel a little better about my technical difficulties on the ride. After a few hundred miles, my tubeless plug/bacon strip blew out. Rather than try to plug it again, I popped in a tube. For whatever reason, though, tubeless tires don't like seating on my rims with a tube in 'em, so I had to wrestle with it for a little bit to get the beads seated and the witness lines visible all the way around.

I think it's it's time to retire the Hutch tires and install the new Pro 1s.

WhyFi 06-06-20 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 21518674)
So I have a question. Maybe I should ask the marginal gains podcast gang, but I will start here. My suspicion is it doesn’t make much of a difference, but the question involves whether you should pedal downhill when going medium pace, say at 25MPH on a 3-4% downhill. I usually do soft pedal at maybe 50-100w, and I expect that gets me only 1 MPH faster than just coasting. It’s easy to calculate the gain/cost using an online calculator to estimate the aero benefits of coasting vs pedaling and the speed difference at coasting vs soft-pedaling. The harder part is figuring out if the modest power output “costs” anything from future output needed when the inevitable next climb starts.

Anyone have some evidence based answers?

Definitely pedal, unless you're in endurance mode on a really long ride. Maybe everybody is different, but to me, it's torque, not watts, that really burns matches; the fatigue of 300w @70 rpm is going to accumulate more than that of 300w @110rpm, simply because those slower grinds are shifting away from the cardio and on to the legs.

LAJ 06-06-20 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 21518787)
Definitely pedal, unless you're in endurance mode on a really long ride. Maybe everybody is different, but to me, it's torque, not watts, that really burns matches; the fatigue of 300w @70 rpm is going to accumulate more than that of 300w @110rpm, simply because those slower grinds are shifting away from the cardio and on to the legs.

Endurance training rides mean you get to pedal all the time. Uphill, downhill, sideways, no matter. There is no spinning out-you hit your brakes in order to not spin out. Sunday was 4 hours, and 3% was Zone 1. Funny, because when I catch someone out in the wild, it's usually downhill, simply because maintaining 71% is the goal, and that's not what they're doing. Of course, they usually catch me going uphill, because 71% is the goal, and they dial it up to 400 watts.

Of course, you're right on long fun rides, and killing it uphill is usually the fun/challenge, and coasting downhill is the recovery point.

It always depends on the ride you're doing.

big john 06-06-20 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by BillyD (Post 21518219)
Warm weather has many advantages. If it would only stay at 80° I could deal, but nooooooooooo it's got to sprint to 90, 95, 100!!! They can keep that nonsense.

I'm ok up to 95 or so during the day but to me the worst is when it's hot at night.

Bah Humbug 06-06-20 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 21518805)
Endurance training rides mean you get to pedal all the time. Uphill, downhill, sideways, no matter. There is no spinning out-you hit your brakes in order to not spin out. Sunday was 4 hours, and 3% was Zone 1. Funny, because when I catch someone out in the wild, it's usually downhill, simply because maintaining 71% is the goal, and that's not what they're doing. Of course, they usually catch me going uphill, because 71% is the goal, and they dial it up to 400 watts.

Of course, you're right on long fun rides, and killing it uphill is usually the fun/challenge, and coasting downhill is the recovery point.

It always depends on the ride you're doing.

That's a new one, even for me.

WhyFi 06-06-20 02:28 PM

Oh, on my ride today, I saw an establishment with a name that Bah Humbug and his dad joke sense of humor could appreciate: G-Will Liquors.

datlas 06-06-20 03:18 PM

It’s gotten hot enough in the house that I have migrated to the basement. Luckily it’s going to cool off tonight and the whole-house fan is on a circuit that has power from the generator. The water heater is not, which meant a short military-style cold shower post ride. Very refreshing!!

The power company website says we will get our power back by 11 tonight but I don’t believe it. There are tons of downed trees and wires all around here and it’s going to take them several more days to get to everything.

Bah Humbug 06-06-20 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 21518825)
Oh, on my ride today, I saw an establishment with a name that Bah Humbug and his dad joke sense of humor could appreciate: G-Will Liquors.

Somehow I'm whiffing on this one... :foo:

MoAlpha 06-06-20 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 21518920)
It’s gotten hot enough in the house that I have migrated to the basement. Luckily it’s going to cool off tonight and the whole-house fan is on a circuit that has power from the generator. The water heater is not, which meant a short military-style cold shower post ride. Very refreshing!!

The power company website says we will get our power back by 11 tonight but I don’t believe it. There are tons of downed trees and wires all around here and it’s going to take them several more days to get to everything.

Nothing induces (short-lived) euphoria like a little cold shock after a nice sauna, a steam bath, or a hot ride, but your situation sounds pretty unpleasant.

MoAlpha 06-06-20 04:05 PM

Well, I managed to fit a TSS > 600 into a four day week, including a full-on, hilly, 20 mi. TT and a lot of non-acclimated time in the heat. I'm ready for a couple days off the bike and on the water.

MoAlpha 06-06-20 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by Bah Humbug (Post 21518969)
Somehow I'm whiffing on this one... :foo:

Me too. However, it suggest to me, in a general way, the perennial racing sailboat boat name, Liquor Box.

DougRNS 06-06-20 04:12 PM

Pro tip: if your rubber band for your Cadence Sensor breaks, simply put the sensor in your sock down near your ankle.

#SayNoToBigRubberBand

WhyFi 06-06-20 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by Bah Humbug (Post 21518969)
Somehow I'm whiffing on this one... :foo:


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 21518988)
Me too.

Well, gee willikers - I bet Velo Vol would get it.
​​​​​​

Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 21518988)
However, it suggest to me, in a general way, the perennial racing sailboat boat name, Liquor Box.

As a young adult, ​​​​​I wanted to open a liquor store with that name.

MoAlpha 06-06-20 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 21519003)
Well, gee willikers - I bet Velo Vol would get it.

​​​​​​So innocuous. No wonder it went over my tiny head. No one ever said @Velo Vol wasn't as smart as they come.

DougRNS 06-06-20 04:19 PM

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f4570cada4.jpg
@BillyD

DougRNS 06-06-20 04:22 PM

#YearWithoutSummer
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6d760b92af.jpg


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