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genejockey 01-02-22 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 22358999)
I don't see that. I believe you're reading more into the legend than it is saying.

(less than 0.0 is, by definition, negative)

genejockey 01-02-22 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by BillyD (Post 22358969)
Sorry. No.


I'm going to need to see some data on that. In the northeast folks were leaving the city in flocks, looking for safety from the pandemic. I could have sold my house in days if I wanted to.

NYC population grew by 629,000 2010 - 2020

LAJ 01-02-22 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22359010)
Brown is negative, but with no gradation. Here's a map that tells you HOW negative. 2010 - 2018.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ecba7e0b45.jpg

Thank you. A map that's legible is the first step.

I think my NY resolution is to only pay attention to Velo Vol when I absolutely must.

LAJ 01-02-22 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22359011)
(less than 0.0 is, by definition, negative)

Yes. Did that mean one person in each brown spot moved out of there? 30? 300? The positive were all broken down, in a sense, the less than 0 were just.... Less than 0.

genejockey 01-02-22 11:05 AM

The interesting thing about these population change maps is that the trend over my lifetime has not only been from country to city, or at least metro area, but also from North to South. When I was younger, air conditioning was pretty rare, but nowadays everyone's got it, so the South is more liveable - warmer winters and all that. But with climate change, hot summers will become REALLY hot summers, so I wonder whether we'll see the population shifting North again.

genejockey 01-02-22 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 22359017)
Yes. Did that mean one person in each brown spot moved out of there? 30? 300? The positive were all broken down, in a sense, the less than 0 were just.... Less than 0.

That is the problem with that map. It makes no distinction between 1 person leaving and EVERYONE leaving.

genejockey 01-02-22 11:14 AM

You can see in many states that the counties where population grew have the highest population density already, while the counties that are declining were already more thinly population - population concentrating in the metro areas.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...62d4542a43.jpg

Mojo31 01-02-22 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 22359017)
Yes. Did that mean one person in each brown spot moved out of there? 30? 300? The positive were all broken down, in a sense, the less than 0 were just.... Less than 0.

Less than 0.0% could just mean no statistical change.

Mojo31 01-02-22 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22359020)
The interesting thing about these population change maps is that the trend over my lifetime has not only been from country to city, or at least metro area, but also from North to South. When I was younger, air conditioning was pretty rare, but nowadays everyone's got it, so the South is more liveable - warmer winters and all that. But with climate change, hot summers will become REALLY hot summers, so I wonder whether we'll see the population shifting North again.

Nah, we’ll just start wearing thawbs.

LAJ 01-02-22 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22359051)
Less than 0.0% could just mean no statistical change.

That was supposedly covered in the 0-4.9/light tan area.

Mojo31 01-02-22 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 22359056)
That was supposedly covered in the 0-4.9/light tan area.

I don’t read it that way. Must be some backwoods hillbilly map.

LAJ 01-02-22 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22359058)
I don’t read it that way. Must be some backwoods hillbilly map.

I think it's a backwoods east coast map.

genejockey 01-02-22 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22359051)
Less than 0.0% could just mean no statistical change.

That's not what we usually mean by less than zero. Usually that means negative. No change is already covered by 0 - 4.9%.

genejockey 01-02-22 11:53 AM

Facebook keeps showing me an ad for "licorice", but it seems the meaning of 'licorice' has been expanded to mean any chewy candy. Anyhow, the ad says "Licorice so good it's dangerous", presumably meaning to your diet. But licorice - the original meaning - IS dangerous to your health in large quantity.

Velo Vol 01-02-22 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 22359064)
I think it's a backwoods east coast map.

It was tweeted by a guy at UCLA.


seedsbelize2 01-02-22 12:35 PM

Well that was a win. The seat post is long enough that I can comfortably ride that bike. And it's a nice bike. Odd that I've never ridden it in the tenish years we've owned it.
It'll need some upgrades. Shifters, tires, pump. I went out with a HPX3 taped to the top tube. And a spare tube no bigger than 43mm. I wonder if I can find presta tires in the right size. I have a pair of rim converters in the stash. I no longer have to be concerned about beating that Trek 414 to death.
I recorded it on Wikiloc, my first. Nice platform. Goodbye Strava. And good riddance.

MoAlpha 01-02-22 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22359070)
Facebook keeps showing me an ad for "licorice", but it seems the meaning of 'licorice' has been expanded to mean any chewy candy. Anyhow, the ad says "Licorice so good it's dangerous", presumably meaning to your diet. But licorice - the original meaning - IS dangerous to your health in large quantity.

Yes indeed! Every medical student knows glycorhyzic (of which “licorice” is a corruption and meaning “sugar root”) acid toxicity is in the differential diagnosis for renal tubular acidosis.

Velo Vol 01-02-22 12:53 PM


Originally Posted by seedsbelize2 (Post 22359134)
. Goodbye Strava. And good riddance.

Why?

DougRNS 01-02-22 01:27 PM

SMFH. Now people can't read maps.
:foo:

rjones28 01-02-22 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by BillyD (Post 22358920)
Are we still talking about the frigid climate of the north? The true north, not the fantasy north FAR south of the Mason-Dixon. :lol:

Rained all day yesterday. Frost overnight. Shoulda put the SportWagen in the garage. :o

rjones28 01-02-22 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22358931)
But look at the kind of bike they tide. Probably ride with Fluffy in the basket.

Sadly, Benson is too big for my basket.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ef3dcc1238.png

rjones28 01-02-22 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22358963)
Meanwhile, in the real quasi-north, insulated tights and winter jacket required to Zwift. :(

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c078c50496.jpg

How are your windmills holding up?

rjones28 01-02-22 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 22358999)
I don't see that. I believe you're reading more into the legend than it is saying.

The legend reads: "Less than 0.0".

Velo Vol 01-02-22 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by rjones28 (Post 22359231)
How are your windmills holding up?

If he ceases transmissions for several days, we'll know why.

rjones28 01-02-22 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22359023)
That is the problem with that map. It makes no distinction between 1 person leaving and EVERYONE leaving.

In America, we only care about growth.

rjones28 01-02-22 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by rjones28 (Post 22359202)
Rained all day yesterday. Frost* overnight. Shoulda put the SportWagen in the garage. :o

* Froze

seedsbelize2 01-02-22 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22359020)
The interesting thing about these population change maps is that the trend over my lifetime has not only been from country to city, or at least metro area, but also from North to South. When I was younger, air conditioning was pretty rare, but nowadays everyone's got it, so the South is more liveable - warmer winters and all that. But with climate change, hot summers will become REALLY hot summers, so I wonder whether we'll see the population shifting North again.

Siberia is poised to be one of the most livable places on earth, so it is said.

seedsbelize2 01-02-22 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22359157)
Why?

It rarely records a complete ride.

BillyD 01-02-22 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22359005)
What is less than 0%? A negative percentage.

Maybe people here don't get maps, either. That would explain some things.

Don’t get snotty. It’s a faulty map you presented, so … you know … not quality.

Mojo31 01-02-22 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by BillyD (Post 22359264)
Don’t get snotty. It’s a faulty map you presented, so … you know … not quality.

I agree. The map says “Percent change in county population.”

If a county has 100 residents and 10 leave, that’s a 10% change. If 10 move in it’s a 10% change.

The author of the map should have his tenure revoked if he can’t write a more accurate title. SMH.


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