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cyclistbrian 08-12-10 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by flammenwurfer (Post 11278455)
I was just sitting here admiring ohjonnybegoode's Sports and thinking that it reminds me a lot of my 1970 Raleigh Sports. Then, I realized that I haven't posted photos of mine in this thread yet! So here it is.

I'm in the process of making a number of upgrades to it and will be using it as my commuter when it's finished.

Nice bike. What sort of upgrades are you thinking about? When I work over my Rudge I'm going to go with alloy rims and a mountain bike diameter tire (though narrow like a road tire) and generally modernize it.

noglider 08-12-10 12:48 PM

Andrew F, that's great work! I wish you'd posted a picture of your God daughter's beaming face!

Believe it or not, I can usually adjust an AW hub without even spinning the rear wheel. I just shift up and down and rotate the crank forward until it stops. The stop should feel and sound slightly different in each gear. And the indicator chain should move visibly.

And believe it or not, I have never adjusted by observing the penetration depth of the indicator chain, like you're supposed to.

Does anyone use these steel rimmed bikes in the wet? I've tried but it's too damned dangerous. I haven't tried Kool Stop pads yet, though.

flammenwurfer 08-12-10 12:49 PM

I'm rebuilding the wheels with alloy rims and a dynamo hub in the front. Replacing the handlebars, stem, seatpost and pedals to reduce weight and switching to a larger cog to lower the gearing a bit.

BigPolishJimmy 08-12-10 12:50 PM

Last night I measured the frames on my Men's Sports and also my Armstrong and as I suspected they're both 21" frames. I rode my sports around a bit just for fun and the quality is there, just a good solid ride. The bikes almost, but not quite adjust to my height at the max bar & saddle levels. Then as I was looking at my step-through (or woman's) frame, it seemed to be bigger, sure enough that one is a 23". I'm going to have to put some tires back on it and give it a spin, If I like it, I'm going to have to start a serious hunt for a 23" Mens Sports frame.

gna 08-12-10 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by flammenwurfer (Post 11278567)
I'm rebuilding the wheels with alloy rims and a dynamo hub in the front. Replacing the handlebars, stem, seatpost and pedals to reduce weight and switching to a larger cog to lower the gearing a bit.

Are you using a GH6, or a modern hub? I'm curious about building a wheel with an old GH6 hub.

flammenwurfer 08-12-10 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by gna (Post 11278724)
Are you using a GH6, or a modern hub? I'm curious about building a wheel with an old GH6 hub.

I'm planning on using a modern hub. I don't have a GH6 and don't see any on ebay either.

BigPolishJimmy 08-12-10 01:47 PM

That Dunelt is stunning. Well done sir, well done!

cyclistbrian 08-12-10 02:30 PM

+ 1 on the Dunelt, just beautiful. Hope you got her a good lock for it!

Andrew F 08-12-10 03:06 PM

Thanks for all the compliments on the Dunelt, I had fun putting it back together and taking it out for several shake down rides. And yes, there is a U lock in the basket. I'm thinking I need to find a Roadster with a full chaincase.

mkeller234 08-12-10 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 11278555)
Does anyone use these steel rimmed bikes in the wet? I've tried but it's too damned dangerous. I haven't tried Kool Stop pads yet, though.

I have by accident a couple of times but it was on a Schwinn Collegiate. In the wet the brakes were completely ineffective and I found myself riding slow and using my feet Fred Flinstone style. I guess Kool stops might help but I am skeptical that they could make that big of a difference.

ohjonnybegoode and flammenwurfer your bikes look like twins. I was thinking about how sweet buying a modern hub would be, I would love to try one on my commuter.

AndrewF, that Dunelt looks great.

flammenwurfer 08-12-10 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by mkeller234 (Post 11279431)
I have by accident a couple of times but it was on a Schwinn Collegiate. In the wet the brakes were completely ineffective and I found myself riding slow and using my feet Fred Flinstone style. I guess Kool stops might help but I am skeptical that they could make that big of a difference.

ohjonnybegoode and flammenwurfer your bikes look like twins. I was thinking about how sweet buying a modern hub would be, I would love to try one on my commuter.

AndrewF, that Dunelt looks great.

Yes they are totally twins!

I've contemplated going to a 5 speed before but I just don't feel like I need the extra gears enough to justify the higher price. If I ever come across one at a large discount I'll be all over it.

Allvit54 08-12-10 09:07 PM

...wow...what a thread!...kinda makes me wish I still had that '67 Phillips with the Sturmey Archer 5-speed 'twinshift' hub...although something tells me that that would be very difficult to restore...those dual shift levers are probably next to impossible to find now...
...now, I read some posts back that SA is making 5-speed hubs again...how do you shift those? Do the new hubs use a similar dual cable setup as that old 'twinshift'?...

noglider 08-12-10 10:53 PM

You could shift an old five speed hub with two 3speed trigger shifters.

Andrew F 08-13-10 08:36 AM

The new 5 speed SA's shift with a single cable and shifter, bar end, trigger and I think a twist grip.

stevevw 08-13-10 10:07 AM

Probably too many gears for this thread but thought you may like to see this. I picked it up last week from the original owner who bought it in 1950 in London so he could visit his girlfriend at the weekends. She lived in Bath 90 miles away :eek: She is now his wife and both are still going strong.

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/w.../IMG_4667a.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/w...0/IMG_4673.jpg

I am planning on a complete restoration over the winter ready to ride next spring. I have promised to take it back to see the old chap when it is done.

flammenwurfer 08-13-10 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by stevevw (Post 11283207)
Probably too many gears for this thread but thought you may like to see this. I picked it up last week from the original owner who bought it in 1950 in London so he could visit his girlfriend at the weekends. She lived in Bath 90 miles away :eek: She is now his wife and both are still going strong.

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/w.../IMG_4667a.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/w...0/IMG_4673.jpg

I am planning on a complete restoration over the winter ready to ride next spring. I have promised to take it back to see the old chap when it is done.

LUCKY! That is very cool. And a sweet story to go along with it. Any idea what the model name is?

noglider 08-13-10 10:24 AM

stevevw, I love that story! Plus an FM hub! You are in Sturmey Archer heaven!

Is the original owner still cycling? Why did he sell that bike at all?

Andrew F 08-13-10 02:34 PM

3, 4, 5 who's counting? I think it's more about the particular English style and IGH's. Great Bike Stevevw!

mkeller234 08-13-10 02:45 PM

Wow, I don't think I have seen an alloy hub around here yet. Very cool, make sure to post your progress on that one.

Andrew F 08-13-10 02:55 PM

[QUOTEWow, I don't think I have seen an alloy hub around here yet][/QUOTE]

That and the chainring make you kinda think its a Supersport or a Clubman?

mkeller234 08-13-10 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by Andrew F (Post 11284728)
Wow, I don't think I have seen an alloy hub around here yet]


That and the chainring make you kinda think its a Supersport or a Clubman?
Yeah, probably. I don't know much about either of those models but stevevw's bike is obviously more performance oriented. The handlebars on that bike are beautiful.

Andrew F 08-14-10 07:53 PM

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Didn't notice the wingnuts earlier...sweet! +1000000 on the bars!

On another topic, I picked up a '72 Raleigh Sport, the down tube is marked LTD-3. Is there anything specia about it? It's the 23" male frame.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=164693

wahoonc 08-15-10 06:02 AM


Originally Posted by Andrew F (Post 11290169)
Didn't notice the wingnuts earlier...sweet! +1000000 on the bars!

On another topic, I picked up a '72 Raleigh Sport, the down tube is marked LTD-3. Is there anything specia about it? It's the 23" male frame.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=164693

The LTD was a slightly downscale model from the regular Sports, no pump pegs and usually no head light bracket, also came with the vinyl mattress saddle. Raleigh was trying to meet a lower price point to compete. Other than that they are the same bike as the Sports.

Aaron :)

tatfiend 08-15-10 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by mkeller234 (Post 11284673)
Wow, I don't think I have seen an alloy hub around here yet. Very cool, make sure to post your progress on that one.

I have a NOS S5-2 Alloy hub that I recently built into a rim and now have installed in a Kona Humu cruiser. Definitely not an English style bike though.

Andrew F 08-15-10 03:19 PM


The LTD was a slightly downscale model from the regular Sports, no pump pegs and usually no head light bracket, also came with the vinyl mattress saddle. Raleigh was trying to meet a lower price point to compete. Other than that they are the same bike as the Sports.

Aaron :)
Thanks for the info. Didn't notice the lack of pump pegs!

Sixty Fiver 08-15-10 11:02 PM

A 1958 Mercury "Courier" arrived at the co-op today and my dating guess stems from it having a Hercules branded SA hub with a 1958 date code and what is most interesting is that the hub is an SW that seems to be in good working condition

The bike looks like it has been stored since day one as well.

Will have to snap a pic or two.

Sixty Fiver 08-15-10 11:38 PM

A few quick pictures...

http://www.ravingbikefiend.com/bikepics/58courier.JPG

http://www.ravingbikefiend.com/bikep...iershifter.JPG

http://www.ravingbikefiend.com/bikep...courierhub.JPG

http://www.ravingbikefiend.com/bikep...rheadbadge.JPG

There is also a Woodward sticker on the seat tube which makes me think this was sold through that old department store chain as a house brand.

stevevw 08-16-10 05:05 AM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 11283356)
stevevw, I love that story! Plus an FM hub! You are in Sturmey Archer heaven!

Is the original owner still cycling? Why did he sell that bike at all?



The original owner only ever had this bike and stopped riding it 2 years ago due to ill health up until then he rode regularly so the old Raleigh had 58 years of constant use. I do not think he wanted it to go as he had a tear in his eye when I was loading it in the car. He was glad to see that I had brought some cardboard to protect the bike while in the car for the journey home.


Originally Posted by flammenwurfer (Post 11283349)
LUCKY! That is very cool. And a sweet story to go along with it. Any idea what the model name is?



The model is No.28 Raleigh Lenton Sports in Special Super-chromatic Lenton Green. The colour was only used in 1949 and 1950. The 1949 version has white lining (Which mine has?) but the lining is not listed for 1950 very odd. perhaps the frame was made towards the end of 1949 and the bike built early in 1950.

I think the wheel wing nuts are very cool and also extremely useful for fast wheel removal. On the gear change cable there is a quick release made from spring steel is this normal? I have not had a Sturmey Archer since I was a young lad and can not remember what they had then.

Over the weekend I started to give the bike a good clean and to my complete surprise every nut or bolt came loose the stem moved freely up and down as did the seat tube, this bike is going to be a pleasure to work on and own I can see and feel the love that had been lavished on it over the years and intend to continue in the same way.

I think that I will be renovating every part rather than replacing, not cost effective but who cares this is part of history and must be preserved. The bill from the chromers may be a bit of a shock though. :D

noglider 08-16-10 06:52 AM

Sixty Fiver, that bike looks brand new, except for the seat.

stevew, sounds like a lot of fun. Thanks for the story.

cyclistbrian 08-16-10 08:29 AM

New arrivals: 60 Rudge and 66 Robin Hood
 
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Picked up the Rudge for $25.00. It's going to be a resto/update project. Picked up the Robin Hood out of the trash free for parts. Been a long time since I've seen a 3 speed on trash day.

The Courier two posts above is sweet!


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