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Sixty Fiver 08-24-12 04:08 PM

For a time Raleigh had considerable pull and had a good association with Dunlop who made an excellent living supplying bicycle tyres to Raleigh and other companies but when Raleigh pushed too hard and tried to dictate terms to Dunlop they decided that the bicycle tyre business was far less profitable than their automotive division and quit manufacturing what were some of the best bicycle tyres ever made.

After they stopped making bicycle tyres in the mid 60's there was a period when certain tyres were very hard to get and for some sizes like the EA1, there were no good quality racing tyres made until the 70's when Japanese tyre makers came around to making replacements that were on par with the old Dunlops.

I treasure my old Dunlop Gold Seal tyres on my Raleigh Lenton.. they are still wonderful after more than 40 years and roll out magnificently and I keep a small stash of replacements which should keep me in tyres for a good long while.

slowtostart 08-24-12 05:24 PM

Clubman, be nice! Half of my family lives in Bedford and I've been to Peggy's Cove. I'm working on the technology of posting pictures after I take them.

clubman 08-24-12 08:45 PM


Originally Posted by slowtostart (Post 14649300)
Clubman, be nice! Half of my family lives in Bedford and I've been to Peggy's Cove. I'm working on the technology of posting pictures after I take them.

Lobster seasons in...$5 lb off the gate of the local truck. Got any bike parts to trade? :thumb:

Sixty Fiver 08-24-12 10:58 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 14650014)
Lobster seasons in...$5 lb off the gate of the local truck. Got any bike parts to trade? :thumb:

Sweet... I love Lobster.

Used to be able to buy a lobster dinner in Freeport for $9.00 which included the works and ate my weight of those freshly caught and oh so tasty sea cockroaches and dove for them myself.

conradpdx 08-24-12 11:26 PM


Originally Posted by Super.bee (Post 14647755)
Thanks for sharing your expertise and for a great idea with the sandbag; I will try this. I have most of the dent out, but am not quite satisfied. Between the tricks you all have shared and the more realistic expectations you've granted me, I hope to have this on the road soon, and will follow with pictures... perhaps hazy ones to hide the remaining rust!

We like pic's and don't mind a little patina (ie rust).

And unless your use to using a torch I wouldn't recommend the steps I mentioned. There is a very fine line between just right and melting/cutting.

antiqueguy 08-25-12 02:34 PM

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My BSA 3 speed. I still haven't been able to ID the year. I'm guessing late 30's? The hub has no date that I can find. But a serial # on the frame near the hub is E32170.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=269340
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antiqueguy 08-25-12 02:36 PM

A lock on the fork. How cool.

Flog00 08-25-12 03:42 PM

1980 Sports

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8299/7...7834b203_b.jpg
IMG_8485 by flog00, on Flickr

HercRider 08-27-12 09:19 AM

Sweet BSA! I'm interested to see the year of manufacture, as well. Where did you pick that beauty up?

slowtostart 08-27-12 01:40 PM

What would we do without the wealth of knowlege here? Please indulge me while I request another withdrawal from the vault. I spent more time going over my new 1956 Ladies Sports this weekend and comparing it to the more modern, 1970s, versions. What pupose would the small clip centered on the front hub have served? I did a very quick search and found nothing. Also, when I attempted to remove the rear rack I found that it is not attached in the fender eyelet, but is secured to the rear hub. It seems to be sturdier than later racks I have and the connector for the seat stay area has a solid v-shaped back and only one center screw secures that clamp to the rack, between the seat stays. Would that be correct for the model year? I know pictures would be helpful, but for right now I'll use my 1,000 words and hope they make some sense. On a positive note, all the gears are working and the tires are holding air.

As always, many thanks for all of your answers.

JohnDThompson 08-27-12 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by slowtostart (Post 14659206)
I spent more time going over my new 1956 Ladies Sports this weekend and comparing it to the more modern, 1970s, versions. What pupose would the small clip centered on the front hub have served?

That's an oil port. Like the rear 3-speed hubs, those front hubs are also oil-lubricated. A few drops every week or so will keep it going indefinitely.

noglider 08-27-12 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by PalmettoUpstate (Post 14626645)
At 772 you say:

I'm pretty much sold on these old Raleighs and I have a LOT of "saddle time" on to me - LOL. [5 coast-to-coast trips across the lower 48 between '71 & '73, mostly on Harleys etc.etc.etc.]

Who do you recommend for building these 650A bicycle wheels? I'm kinda anal about quality and I'd definitely want someone who could/would do a better job than me & me redneck friends....

Have you received a reply to this? I'll build wheels for you for a reasonable rate. I've put Sun CR-18 rims on three-speed bikes. It's worked out very well.

I'll be in High Falls, NY this coming weekend. Where are you?

photogravity 08-27-12 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by wahoonc (Post 14646418)
Depending on the diameter of the housing you might be able to purchase on from someone like Yellow Jersey and disassemble it for the reflector. I have actually used a Dremel to cut a larger one down to fit before. Otherwise haunt Epay and wait for one to show up.

Aaron :)

+1 The cost of the repops or original reflectors is prohibitive. Cutting one to the proper size is cheap and relatively easy.

wahoonc 08-27-12 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by photogravity (Post 14659828)
+1 The cost of the repops or original reflectors is prohibitive. Cutting one to the proper size is cheap and relatively easy.

The Repops from Yellow Jersey are $~5 a piece.

Aaron :)

jrecoi 08-27-12 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by slowtostart (Post 14659206)
What pupose would the small clip centered on the front hub have served? I did a very quick search and found nothing. Also, when I attempted to remove the rear rack I found that it is not attached in the fender eyelet, but is secured to the rear hub. It seems to be sturdier than later racks I have and the connector for the seat stay area has a solid v-shaped back and only one center screw secures that clamp to the rack, between the seat stays. Would that be correct for the model year? I know pictures would be helpful, but for right now I'll use my 1,000 words and hope they make some sense. On a positive note, all the gears are working and the tires are holding air.

As always, many thanks for all of your answers.

The clip on the front hub is the cover for an oil port, rotate it around a bit and an oiling hole will present itself. Campagnolo hubs preserved this aspect of design up through the 80s, and Shimano and Suntour did the same for some of their hubs. The bottom bracket of a Raleigh of this era will also have an oiling port.

The pre-'65 Raleigh Industries pedals were rebuildable affairs, lubricated with oil through a hole in the end cap. I would like to know if MKS rubber block pedals can be converted to oil lubrication, perhaps by drilling the end cap so as allow oil lubrication.

clubman 08-27-12 05:05 PM


Originally Posted by slowtostart (Post 14659206)
...the connector for the seat stay area has a solid v-shaped back and only one center screw secures that clamp to the rack, between the seat stays. Would that be correct for the model year?...

I think it's correct. Midland was an early popular marque, made of black tubular steel, mounted on the axles, and the additional plate steel seat stay clamp. Later, Raleigh used similar colour matched Prestube racks. They're a cut above the later alloy Esge racks.

They're desirable too. I saw a pristine Midland make $150 at auction.

PalmettoUpstate 08-27-12 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by Prop Man (Post 14647647)
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=269183I know it's not English--just think of it as Mr. Raleigh's American cousin. My 1959 Schwinn Paramount Tourist 3-speed.

A thing of beauty indeed. I lust for one of these.

SEE: http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7...9Paramount.jpg

PalmettoUpstate 08-27-12 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 14659809)
Have you received a reply to this? I'll build wheels for you for a reasonable rate. I've put Sun CR-18 rims on three-speed bikes. It's worked out very well.

I'll be in High Falls, NY this coming weekend. Where are you?

Tom I'm way down South in the [former] land of cotton, Greenville, SC.

I don't know how shipping rates work out between NJ and SC but I'd wager that we could work something out that'd be agreeable to both.

I'm on a pretty rapid learning curve on this stuff, having just taken it up about a year ago, but I think I'd defer to someone with more "bench time" on something like doing wheels - at least for the present. I'm doing a leisurely read thru this most informative of threads - on pg 56 presently - and I really value most of the info/insights I get here. I'll try to send you my email address on the PM "back channel" here; if it doesn't work we'll go to Plan B. Tx.

photogravity 08-27-12 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by wahoonc (Post 14660003)
The Repops from Yellow Jersey are $~5 a piece.

Aaron :)

That's the best price I've seen them! Thanks for sharing that information. :)

antiqueguy 08-27-12 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by HercRider (Post 14657967)
Sweet BSA! I'm interested to see the year of manufacture, as well. Where did you pick that beauty up?

So am I. I cant find a date on the hub. All there is is that serial #..... I'm guessing late 30's. Well at least most of the bike.

antiqueguy 08-27-12 08:41 PM

Oh and my hub needs oil! What should I use**********??? I cant find Sturmey Archer Cycle Oil anywhere. [h=1][/h]

Velognome 08-27-12 09:30 PM

30W motor oil

wahoonc 08-28-12 05:20 AM


Originally Posted by antiqueguy (Post 14660955)
Oh and my hub needs oil! What should I use**********??? I cant find Sturmey Archer Cycle Oil anywhere. [h=1][/h]

Anything you want as long as it isn't vegetable based. I use what ever happens to be in the oil can, usually whatever is left over from the last oil change. I think mine has Rotella T 15w-40 which is what I use in my tractors. :P

Aaron :)

antiqueguy 08-28-12 05:57 PM

Thanks gentlemen.

JohnDThompson 08-28-12 07:41 PM


Originally Posted by antiqueguy (Post 14660955)
Oh and my hub needs oil! What should I use**********??? I cant find Sturmey Archer Cycle Oil anywhere. [h=1][/h]

Here you go:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=..._from=&_ipg=50

Fill it up with generic 20 weight motor oil and you're good to go.

Fenway 08-28-12 08:04 PM

Sheldon Brown recommend Phil Wood Tenacious Oil and after using it for a year in the oil ports of various Raleigh's I swear by the stuff.

Velognome 08-28-12 09:21 PM


Sheldon Brown recommend Phil Wood Tenacious Oil and after using it for a year in the oil ports of various Raleigh's I swear by the stuff.
How is it better than 20 or 30W motor oil?

PalmettoUpstate 08-28-12 09:26 PM

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I got one of the needle bottles of Hoppes with the intention of filling it with Phil's Tenacious when the Hoppes runs out...

http://www.amazon.com/Hoppes-Precisi...pr_product_top

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=269978

Velognome 08-28-12 09:57 PM


I got one of the needle bottles of Hoppes with the intention of filling it with Phil's Tenacious when the Hoppes runs out...
This tenacious oil....it's like the Rivendell thing, isn't it?

Juggler2 08-28-12 10:07 PM

I love my '79 Raleigh Sports, and I say that about a very few inanimate objects! :rolleyes:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...h/f58bf1dc.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...h/8b5a967d.jpg

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