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Dan Burkhart 01-06-16 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 18431981)
I've seen, Ralieghs, Gliders, British made Supercycles (for Canadian Tire), Dunelts, Hercules, Triumph, BSA, Philips and one Norman that I bought last fall. An also Robin Hood. Of course there are lots of CCM 3 speeds
as well.

Glider was Eaton's store brand. I believe Raleigh built bikes for them at one time.

Sixty Fiver 01-06-16 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by Dan Burkhart (Post 18438846)
Glider was Eaton's store brand. I believe Raleigh built bikes for them at one time.

Almost of the Glider's I have come across have been re-badged Raleigh Sports, this was a top of the line offering.

arex 01-06-16 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 18439202)
Almost of the Glider's I have come across have been re-badged Raleigh Sports, this was a top of the line offering.

Including the fork..?

Sixty Fiver 01-06-16 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by arex (Post 18439264)
Including the fork..?

The Glider did not come with Raleigh's thimble crown... this was the same as other Raleigh sub brands that were otherwise identical save for paint and decals.

kalash74 01-06-16 02:44 PM

I'm building up a new wheelset with 28 x 1.1/2" alloy rims I got from Holland. Can someone suggest me some stainless steel spokes (14G) that look vintage and not modern?

Dan Burkhart 01-06-16 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by kalash74 (Post 18439977)
I'm building up a new wheelset with 28 x 1.1/2" alloy rims I got from Holland. Can someone suggest me some stainless steel spokes (14G) that look vintage and not modern?

If you insist on vintage spokes, go with galvanized steel. 14 g stainless pretty much all look the same.

kalash74 01-06-16 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by Dan Burkhart (Post 18440018)
If you insist on vintage spokes, go with galvanized steel. 14 g stainless pretty much all look the same.

I want to go with stainless for better performance. I also understand that these were used in the past on higher-end machines going back to at least the 1950s, maybe as early as the 1930s. Is there a certain brand I should get? What length do I need? I'm having a local bike shop do the work, but I want to make sure they have the right parts.

Dan Burkhart 01-06-16 03:01 PM

I love it when one of these comes to me for service. This Superbe was brought to me a few days ago, minus the wheels, but with a set of hubs.
The owner was not sure of the date on the bike, and the hubs he had were not original to the bike, but the SA AW is dated 1977.
Anyway, I built the hubs into a set of CR 18 rims, overhauled both hubs, the BB and headset. Not much wear showing anywhere, but any grease that was left was dry and hard. Don't think it had been ridden in years.
Anyway, done and ready to go.

http://i65.tinypic.com/23jo8ky.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/2ut70wl.jpg

And before anybody says anything about the excess cable at the shifter, the owner said he wanted it like that so he can put a riser bar on it.

arex 01-06-16 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by kalash74 (Post 18440022)
I want to go with stainless for better performance. I also understand that these were used in the past on higher-end machines going back to at least the 1950s, maybe as early as the 1930s. Is there a certain brand I should get? What length do I need? I'm having a local bike shop do the work, but I want to make sure they have the right parts.

It's hard to go wrong with DT Swiss.

arex 01-06-16 03:02 PM

That's beautiful.



Originally Posted by Dan Burkhart (Post 18440024)
I love it when one of these comes to me for service. This Superbe was brought to me a few days ago, minus the wheels, but with a set of hubs.
The owner was not sure of the date on the bike, and the hubs he had were not original to the bike, but the SA AW is dated 1977.
Anyway, I built the hubs into a set of CR 18 rims, overhauled both hubs, the BB and headset. Not much wear showing anywhere, but any grease that was left was dry and hard. Don't think it had been ridden in years.
Anyway, done and ready to go.
http://i64.tinypic.com/2ut70wl.jpg


Dan Burkhart 01-06-16 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by kalash74 (Post 18440022)
I want to go with stainless for better performance. I also understand that these were used in the past on higher-end machines going back to at least the 1950s, maybe as early as the 1930s. Is there a certain brand I should get? What length do I need? I'm having a local bike shop do the work, but I want to make sure they have the right parts.

Stainless is the better choice for sure. Length will be dependent on hub and rim dimensions, number of spoke and lacing pattern. If you trust your bike shop to do the work, you need to trust them to know how to calculate spoke length and supply the parts. It's the most elementary part of the wheel building process.

noglider 01-06-16 03:14 PM

Why are stainless spokes better? Galvanized have been good enough for me.

@Dan Burkhart, the stem and bars are not original, are they?

Dan Burkhart 01-06-16 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 18440065)
Why are stainless spokes better? Galvanized have been good enough for me.

@Dan Burkhart, the stem and bars are not original, are they?

Cause stainless spokes are shiny.:lol:

I think the stem is original, but the bar has a Velo Orange logo on it.

dweenk 01-06-16 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 18440065)
Why are stainless spokes better? Galvanized have been good enough for me.

@Dan Burkhart, the stem and bars are not original, are they?

I am riding a few bikes with rusty galvanized or plated spokes. Although they are not pretty, they seem to get the job done. In my mind they are OK for riders.

FoldMeSideways 01-06-16 04:15 PM

I have a new project that belongs here. A Hercules Royal Prince which has seen some better days. A lot of surface rust, a few paint chips, and fenders that are MiA. Still trying to dig up info on it, but most seems to have been lost to time itself. All I know is it is pre-1960 before Raleigh aquired the company. It'll be my winter project bike and get cleaned up some, a bit of clear coat and some polish, new tires, and possibly some wooden fenders.
http://i.imgur.com/NkjZzrm.jpg

noglider 01-06-16 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by dweenk (Post 18440248)
I am riding a few bikes with rusty galvanized or plated spokes. Although they are not pretty, they seem to get the job done. In my mind they are OK for riders.

In about 1983, I built two bikes for myself, a "nice" bike, my Mclean, and a commuter bike. I used DT stainless on the nice bike and DT galvanized on the commuter bike. I am still using both pairs of wheels. Of course, DT doesn't make galvanized spokes any more, or if they do, we can't get them here in the US.

3speedslow 01-06-16 05:03 PM

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Nice SA hub cog for my 73' Raleigh.

Does not even look used. Came from the bin of my local bike shop.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=496979 20T just what I needed

BigChief 01-06-16 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by FoldMeSideways (Post 18440250)
I have a new project that belongs here. A Hercules Royal Prince which has seen some better days. A lot of surface rust, a few paint chips, and fenders that are MiA. Still trying to dig up info on it, but most seems to have been lost to time itself. All I know is it is pre-1960 before Raleigh aquired the company. It'll be my winter project bike and get cleaned up some, a bit of clear coat and some polish, new tires, and possibly some wooden fenders.

That's a nice one. Black Hercules fenders show up from time to time. I think they would look nice with the black chainguard.

FoldMeSideways 01-06-16 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 18440435)
That's a nice one. Black Hercules fenders show up from time to time. I think they would look nice with the black chainguard.


Seeing as though I have uncovered very little information on this bicycle, I don't have high hopes of finding original parts. That said, I will keep an eye out for them. If I can keep the bike with the proper parts I would prefer to do so.

adventurepdx 01-06-16 08:49 PM

Slightly on a tangent, but this bike reminds me of what a good ol' three speed can be, for good reason.

I came across a Novara Transfer in the wild today. For those of you outside of the US, Novara is the house bike/bike accessory brand of REI, our big outdoor co-op chain, analogous to MEC in Canada. I really liked this bike as it was a fully loaded (as sold) commuter: Nexus 7 speed internally geared hub, Novatech dynamo hub with AXA/Basta head and tail lamps, chainguard, rear rack, fenders, and a chromoly frame and fork. All for about $700. But because it's too damn practical, of course REI discontinued it. Now they have nothing similar.

It's one of the few modern bikes that I've seen that are similar to a Raleigh Superbe in all its features, and adjusting for inflation, it's probably about as much as a Superbe cost back in the day. When they were discounting the remaining Transfers a couple years ago, I almost thought about grabbing one, but didn't have the available cash.
Novara Transfer Bike - 2013 - REI.com

https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1510/2...01c65d7f_z.jpg

PatrickZ 01-06-16 10:25 PM


Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 18440779)
Slightly on a tangent, but this bike reminds me of what a good ol' three speed can be, for good reason.

I came across a Novara Transfer in the wild today. For those of you outside of the US, Novara is the house bike/bike accessory brand of REI, our big outdoor co-op chain, analogous to MEC in Canada. I really liked this bike as it was a fully loaded (as sold) commuter: Nexus 7 speed internally geared hub, Novatech dynamo hub with AXA/Basta head and tail lamps, chainguard, rear rack, fenders, and a chromoly frame and fork. All for about $700. But because it's too damn practical, of course REI discontinued it. Now they have nothing similar.

It's one of the few modern bikes that I've seen that are similar to a Raleigh Superbe in all its features, and adjusting for inflation, it's probably about as much as a Superbe cost back in the day. When they were discounting the remaining Transfers a couple years ago, I almost thought about grabbing one, but didn't have the available cash.
Novara Transfer Bike - 2013 - REI.com

My co-worker has commuted on one for the past several years, and he likes it. That said, his is easily as heavy - if not heavier - than a classic Raleigh Superbe. After riding his, I still much preferred my Raleigh Sprite with the S5 hub.

adventurepdx 01-06-16 10:50 PM


Originally Posted by PatrickZ (Post 18440923)
My co-worker has commuted on one for the past several years, and he likes it. That said, his is easily as heavy - if not heavier - than a classic Raleigh Superbe. After riding his, I still much preferred my Raleigh Sprite with the S5 hub.

Oh, now you want the ride quality of an old Raleigh, too? Now that's asking too much out of a modern bike! ;)

Anyways, wish Raleigh stocked the Sprite with the S5 hub for longer than they did. I think I might have seen one five-speed hub Sprite in the wild, the rest were 10 speeds with 27 inch wheels.

AngeloDolce 01-07-16 01:54 AM


Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 18440779)
Slightly on a tangent, but this bike reminds me of what a good ol' three speed can be, for good reason.

I came across a Novara Transfer in the wild today. For those of you outside of the US, Novara is the house bike/bike accessory brand of REI, our big outdoor co-op chain, analogous to MEC in Canada. I really liked this bike as it was a fully loaded (as sold) commuter: Nexus 7 speed internally geared hub, Novatech dynamo hub with AXA/Basta head and tail lamps, chainguard, rear rack, fenders, and a chromoly frame and fork. All for about $700. But because it's too damn practical, of course REI discontinued it. Now they have nothing similar.

It's one of the few modern bikes that I've seen that are similar to a Raleigh Superbe in all its features, and adjusting for inflation, it's probably about as much as a Superbe cost back in the day. When they were discounting the remaining Transfers a couple years ago, I almost thought about grabbing one, but didn't have the available cash.
Novara Transfer Bike - 2013 - REI.com

I bought one in 2012 when I started a new job in a location with no real public transportation, but also much lower theft risk. (Occasionally I've had parts break on my 3 speeds after they are 40-50 years old.)

The Novara bikes have the right features, but the geometry is a little different than the Raleigh frames. I ended up riding the bike quite a bit because new LED llights, and V brakes usually work better than 50 year old drum brakes and incandescent lights, but I still like the feel of the Raleighs better and ride them more since I am no longer working in PA.

The other detail I like is the rack - it is wider than many other inexpensive racks, so it keeps panniers out of the spokes. I heard it was available for sale in the past (i.e. a replacement part). Since it is shown on the 2015 Gotham, I assume it is still available.

PCPero 01-07-16 02:37 AM

Raleigh DL-1 Tourist
 

Originally Posted by gna (Post 10435941)
My wife and I will be there on our '72-'73 Sports:
[IMG]http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w38/gna_photo/DSCN2273JPG.jpg[/I

On many old pictures a bag on the luggage carrier like yours can be seen. Could you please be so kind telling me sources for that? Thanks in advance from Northern Germany, Peter
Please, PM me pjhome@gmx.net

nlerner 01-07-16 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 18440958)
Oh, now you want the ride quality of an old Raleigh, too? Now that's asking too much out of a modern bike! ;)

Anyways, wish Raleigh stocked the Sprite with the S5 hub for longer than they did. I think I might have seen one five-speed hub Sprite in the wild, the rest were 10 speeds with 27 inch wheels.

I found and rehabbed an IGH 5-speed Sprite a couple of years ago. The shift levers were broken off (not uncommon for the plastic ones), and it was a bit of a struggle to find replacements. Still, I sold it off, feeling like it was a heavier version of my Sports with somewhat unreliable shifting.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Z...ite5Speed6.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-n...ite5Speed2.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-k...ite5Speed8.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-F...te5Speed14.jpg

arex 01-07-16 08:40 AM

What's the left-side shift lever do?

nlerner 01-07-16 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by arex (Post 18441452)
What's the left-side shift lever do?

You get two gears from the left side shifter and three from the right:

About the Sturmey-Archer S5, S5.2 and AT5 Wide-Ratio 5-Speed Bicycle Hubs

arex 01-07-16 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 18441497)
You get two gears from the left side shifter and three from the right:

About the Sturmey-Archer S5, S5.2 and AT5 Wide-Ratio 5-Speed Bicycle Hubs

So, its actually a 2x3 hub? Wouldn't that make it 6-speed, or is there something I'm not getting?

arex 01-07-16 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by arex (Post 18441521)
So, its actually a 2x3 hub? Wouldn't that make it 6-speed, or is there something I'm not getting?

Ah, never mind...I see now. wide and narrow ranges, with the same middle ratio.

nlerner 01-07-16 09:33 AM


Originally Posted by arex (Post 18441539)
Ah, never mind...I see now. wide and narrow ranges, with the same middle ratio.

From Sheldon Brown's site:

How the S5 works

The S5s are basically a 3-speed hub with two ranges.
The right lever or trigger selects underdrive, direct drive or overdrive, just as with the AW and other 3-speed models.
The left lever selects between narrow range 3-speed and wide range 3-speed. When the cable is loose, it's narrow range; when the left cable is tight, it's wide range.
Here's the shifting sequence:
Left: Tight; Right: Tight (1). This is the lowest gear, underdrive on the wide range setting.
Left: Loose; Right: Tight (1). This is the second lowest gear, underdrive on the narrow range setting.
Left: doesn't matter; Right: middle position (2). This is direct drive, so it doesn't matter whether wide or narrow range is selected with the left lever.
Left: Loose; Right: Loose (3). This is the second highest gear, overdrive on the narrow range setting.
Left: Tight; Right: Loose (3). This is the highest gear, overdrive on the wide range setting.


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