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BigChief 01-07-16 02:58 PM

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I love the S5. It totally solves the complaint I have with the AW. Namely, the 33% increase of overdrive to normal. In medium range (bell crank cable slack) the percent changes are -21.1 normal and + 26.6. I think that's perfect for a Sports. If you engage the bell crank, you have a very usable granny gear at -33.3 from normal and a useless (to me) 50% overdrive. The trick to reliable shifting is to use a regular 3 speed trigger on the right and a handlebar friction shifter for the bell crank.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=497181http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=497182

3speedslow 01-07-16 06:41 PM

Well I was all set to order tires for my Sport when my buddy who runs the LBS here says " we carry that exact size tire. Specialized Roadsport 26 X 1 1/8. 590 "

Cool, I buy 2. Super deal cause I used to work there and get the big discount still.

Turning the bike upside down and replacing tires and changing cog over to a 20T tomorrow. Hope I don't need to replace the chain with the increased cog size. The original chain is brand new looking.

Gonna be a good day..

adventurepdx 01-07-16 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 18443097)
Well I was all set to order tires for my Sport when my buddy who runs the LBS here says " we carry that exact size tire. Specialized Roadsport 26 X 1 1/8. 590 "

Cool, didn't know that Specialized had an offering in the 590 size! And I think they mean "1 3/8".
Specialized Bicycle Components

3speedslow 01-07-16 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 18443157)
Cool, didn't know that Specialized had an offering in the 590 size! And I think they mean "1 3/8".
Specialized Bicycle Components

Yes, my bust. 1 3/8 be right. Report tomorrow on ease of getting them on and how they seat to the rim.

BigChief 01-07-16 09:28 PM

I didn't know about this tire either. Please post back with your opinion of them.

gna 01-07-16 11:25 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 18443444)
I didn't know about this tire either. Please post back with your opinion of them.

+1

gna 01-07-16 11:34 PM


Originally Posted by Narhay (Post 18429775)
I also purchased this little oiler can. I've never used one before but I figure it would look and work nicely to put 30W oil in the AW hubs that I seem to be amassing.

http://i1037.photobucket.com/albums/...psscmkbtrf.jpg

It has other uses, too:

https://thepotofgoldhandmadebykitty....819213_std.jpg

gna 01-07-16 11:37 PM


Originally Posted by Narhay (Post 18429772)
I laced some '78 hubs (AW and dynohub) to some CR18 alloy rims using new Sapim stainless steel spokes for my 1978 Raleigh Superbe. I went three cross everywhere. The front high flange might have been better suited for 2 cross due to nipple angle but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. I had originally laced the hubs to new CR18 rims but I reused the old galvanized spokes. I used two brass spoke washers under each spoke head as the flanges are narrower than alloy flanges.


http://i1037.photobucket.com/albums/...pssex3zglq.jpg

Looks great.

I'm trying to lace up a Dyno-hub. Any advice on keeping the spokes in place on the small flange side?

Narhay 01-08-16 01:49 AM

I laced up the large flange side first then added the spokes in opposite holes on the small flange side. I more or less screwed them in as far as they could go then loosened them up once the entire wheel was built and I started forming it.

Dan Burkhart 01-08-16 06:50 AM


Originally Posted by gna (Post 18443625)
Looks great.

I'm trying to lace up a Dyno-hub. Any advice on keeping the spokes in place on the small flange side?

I recently built one of these. I did it by mounting the hub in an axle vice, small flange up and lacing the small side first. The weight of the rim pulling down on the spokes kept them in place.

dweenk 01-08-16 03:45 PM

I have a Raleigh Sports front wheel that needs an axle. Does anyone have a 127 mm long axle (the kind with the fixed cone on the right side)?

3speedslow 01-08-16 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by dweenk (Post 18445252)
I have a Raleigh Sports front wheel that needs an axle. Does anyone have a 127 mm long axle (the kind with the fixed cone on the right side)?


If I did, I would gladly give it to you. I will be going to the LBS where I got the cog from tomorrow, I will check their junk hub bins. Crossed fingers!

Reason I go is because the Velox strips I had to rim strip the wheels with are TOO wide. No shoding the bike tonight with the Specialized tires. Added bonus, rain moved in so I have the bike upside down in the sun room. Wifey no likey !

Put the tires on sans tubes and they go over the rims with little resistance. Seems like a good fit so far.

The old rim strip was in good shape but barely hanging on around the valve hole. Almost seems to have been melted on in place. Not come across this style and colour before. Rim surface is quite clean and rust free. Front tire is in good shape with no cracking.
Tube says Raleigh, holds air and made in Belgium. Gonna hold on to these.

dweenk 01-08-16 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 18445386)
If I did, I would gladly give it to you. I will be going to the LBS where I got the cog from tomorrow, I will check their junk hub bins. Crossed fingers!

Reason I go is because the Velox strips I had to rim strip the wheels with are TOO wide. No shoding the bike tonight with the Specialized tires. Added bonus, rain moved in so I have the bike upside down in the sun room. Wifey no likey !

Put the tires on sans tubes and they go over the rims with little resistance. Seems like a good fit so far.

The old rim strip was in good shape but barely hanging on around the valve hole. Almost seems to have been melted on in place. Not come across this style and colour before. Rim surface is quite clean and rust free. Front tire is in good shape with no cracking.
Tube says Raleigh, holds air and made in Belgium. Gonna hold on to these.

Thanks. My LBS has a few axles that are too long - maybe for wider hubs? I have a couple of old Raleigh tubes that are still good and I use them, but I am thinking about saving them and putting new replacements on the bike.

3speedslow 01-08-16 07:32 PM

Both wheels will get new tires and tubs and rim strips. If I ever get crazy enough to go all original at least I will have wheel consumables taken care of. Right now I want to make back home uninterrupted!

Just took the back wheel off now, tight nuts! Never been off since it left the factory. Tire in decent shape and too the rim strip but the tube had a Definately hole in it. Caused by a spoke poking through. Quite a few of the spokes will need to be filed down to make myself feel safe on a long trip with this wheel.

I must say, another thing that leads me to believe this Raleigh never got any road miles is how clean the underside of both fenders are. A simple wipe and the paint shines! I will put a coat of wax on the underside as well before I reinstall the wheels.

While the back is out I switched the old 18T cog for the 20. Easy peasy. Should be fine for the coast. I also plan on greasing the bearings on the left side rear hub and regressing the front hub as well. I do intend to continue adding oil to the front just as well.

Hope the weather brightens tomorrow so pics can be taken. I may be working in the sun room but it's dark.

adventurepdx 01-09-16 12:21 PM

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A few from the Portland Craigslist:

This one has been on and off for several months now. It's a Raleigh Superbe in good shape, but the asking price is $600, which means this thing is going to be on and off CL for a good long time:
Vintage Raleigh Superb Excellent Condition
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=497460

And apparently from the same seller, a Sports all modernized with alloy 700C wheels, Dynohub, and all that. Looks nicely done, but at $800 I feel I'm going to also be seeing this one for awhile:
Raleigh Sports Custom 3 Speed
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=497461

dweenk 01-09-16 01:51 PM

Went to my LBS late yesterday to get a few spokes for a couple of Westrick front wheels. I figured that I'd end up with shiny stainless spokes. The mechanice took a look at my wheel and said that he had just the spokes I needed. He came out with zinc coated drawn steel spokes that are nearly a perfect match to the old ones. :)

Velocivixen 01-09-16 03:20 PM

Would someone please explain to me how to get a 1975ish Raleigh hubbed front wheel into a Raleigh? The slots on the fork are not normal slots, they're a slot with a round part at the end. Every single time I try to get a wheel in or out I sort of have to spread the fork blades with my hands and wonder why the wheel won't just drop out. The nuts are off the axle.

There must be some "finesse" to doing this. I end up cussing and looking for a rubber mallet!!!!

nlerner 01-09-16 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 18447084)
Would someone please explain to me how to get a 1975ish Raleigh hubbed front wheel into a Raleigh? The slots on the fork are not normal slots, they're a slot with a round part at the end. Every single time I try to get a wheel in or out I sort of have to spread the fork blades with my hands and wonder why the wheel won't just drop out. The nuts are off the axle.

There must be some "finesse" to doing this. I end up cussing and looking for a rubber mallet!!!!

Yeah, that system leaves something to be desired! I try to hook my thumbs around the fork blades and pull out while my index fingers are pulling up on the axle. Kind of hard to describe. But I also have a rudimentary fork spreader that I was given when the bike shopped I worked at closed up.

Velocivixen 01-09-16 06:25 PM

@nlerner - I know what you mean. Thanks. Ok, so I'm not a dufus who just doesn't get it. Thank goodness. I was worried for a second.

clubman 01-09-16 08:24 PM


Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 18447366)
@nlerner - I know what you mean. Thanks. Ok, so I'm not a dufus who just doesn't get it. Thank goodness. I was worried for a second.

Agreed. You need a third hand.

It's silly that they moved the "keyhole" from the outside to the inside of the fork drops. It's much easier when the retaining flanges are on the nuts and not the cones.

BigChief 01-09-16 09:56 PM

Sometimes, it's not just a matter of spreading the forks. Sometimes the axle slots are out of alignment. I've found this condition a number of times. If you have a spare axle, rod or long bolt, lay it across the dropouts sometime and see how they line up. If it's not seriously out of alignment, a little filing can make a big difference.

Velocivixen 01-09-16 10:22 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 18447799)
Sometimes, it's not just a matter of spreading the forks. Sometimes the axle slots are out of alignment. I've found this condition a number of times. If you have a spare axle, rod or long bolt, lay it across the dropouts sometime and see how they line up. If it's not seriously out of alignment, a little filing can make a big difference.

Great tip. Thank you! I'm getting my $25 Raleigh Sport ready to sell. I just have to reattach the rear fender & replace 1 spoke that I accidentally broke. I've completely overhauled everything - both wheel hubs, headset, bottom bracket, etc. It's a very large size. My cute little 19" fits me great,

Sixty Fiver 01-10-16 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 18446804)
A few from the Portland Craigslist:

This one has been on and off for several months now. It's a Raleigh Superbe in good shape, but the asking price is $600, which means this thing is going to be on and off CL for a good long time:
Vintage Raleigh Superb Excellent Condition
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=497460

And apparently from the same seller, a Sports all modernized with alloy 700C wheels, Dynohub, and all that. Looks nicely done, but at $800 I feel I'm going to also be seeing this one for awhile:
Raleigh Sports Custom 3 Speed
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=497461

Gotta love PDX prices...

arex 01-10-16 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 18448161)
Gotta love PDX prices...

I don't think that gold one is a Raleigh Sports.

gster 01-10-16 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 18448161)
Gotta love PDX prices...

Totally over priced in today's market. Average prices here in Toronto would be $250-$350 for clean, complete Superbes. An extremely "mint" one sold last year for close to $500. In fact, there's a very nice
example currently on Kijiji here with an asking price of $350.00(CDN).
1974 vintage Raleigh superbe army green with headlight | other | City of Toronto | Kijiji
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=497594
The owner is a friend of mine and he bought it at the Toronto Vintage Bicycle Show last summer. He lives in a second floor apt. and finds it too heavy to carry up and down the stairs......
And the one below is $280 OBO.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=497595

nlerner 01-10-16 10:15 AM

This Superbe has been on Boston's CL for several weeks now:

L@@K! 1969 Men's Raleigh Supurbe

Not a bad price for a 23" frame as it looks quite complete.

nlerner 01-10-16 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 18439341)
The Glider did not come with Raleigh's thimble crown... this was the same as other Raleigh sub brands that were otherwise identical save for paint and decals.

Here's the second example of a Raleigh Sports "Glider" I've seen in the Boston area. I had a lady's frame with similar markings:

Classic Raleigh 3 speed bike Spring Cleaning

The only "Glider" part is the lone decal on the downtube. I wonder if these originated in the Canadian market.

gster 01-10-16 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 18448468)
Here's the second example of a Raleigh Sports "Glider" I've seen in the Boston area. I had a lady's frame with similar markings:

Classic Raleigh 3 speed bike Spring Cleaning

The only "Glider" part is the lone decal on the downtube. I wonder if these originated in the Canadian market.

That's an unusual hybrid. I've ever seen a dual branded Glider/Raleigh before. The Gliders were a Raleigh built store brand for Eatons
chain.

dweenk 01-10-16 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 18448468)
Here's the second example of a Raleigh Sports "Glider" I've seen in the Boston area. I had a lady's frame with similar markings:

Classic Raleigh 3 speed bike Spring Cleaning

The only "Glider" part is the lone decal on the downtube. I wonder if these originated in the Canadian market.

The asking price is reasonable - I doubt it will last long.

adventurepdx 01-10-16 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 18448161)
Gotta love PDX prices...

Oh Keith, you are just jealous! You had so many opportunities over the years to drive down a truck load of decent bikes from Edmonton and sell them at Portland prices! ;)


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