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JohnDThompson 08-14-19 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by groth (Post 21073647)
I notice several English 3 speed lovers live in the NYC area. Have any of you ridden your bike in the Transportation Alternatives Century? How did it go?

As long as your bike is in good repair, I wouldn't anticipate problems. I've ridden my Raleigh Superbe on the Lake Pepin 3-Speed Tour several times (about 40 miles from Red Wing to Wabasha, then 40 miles back to Red Wing on the other side of the river, the next day). And I've ridden my 3-speed fixed gear bike on the Door County Spring Classic 100 mile ride a couple times.

Salubrious 08-14-19 01:35 PM

^^Hm- There certainly seems to be some truth to this- I rode the Tour Divide in June, no-one around my town seems to care, only people that actually live on the route have any idea what that might entail.

But tell people that I ride the Lake Pepin 3-speed tour on a 1951 Humber and they are amazed.

gster 08-15-19 05:47 PM

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c3b270430e.jpg

paulb_in_bkln 08-15-19 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by jackbombay (Post 21075530)
Heh, when I was last in NYC I rode a century on my 3 speed dahon folding bike, it has 16" wheels, it was a tough century, those itty bitty wheels just don't really roll well even with 100 PSI in them and freshly rebuilt hubs.

I have two much newer 20 inch wheel dahons. One day I'd like to get one of the original style 16 inchers.

gna 08-15-19 11:59 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 21075534)
^^Hm- There certainly seems to be some truth to this- I rode the Tour Divide in June, no-one around my town seems to care, only people that actually live on the route have any idea what that might entail.

But tell people that I ride the Lake Pepin 3-speed tour on a 1951 Humber and they are amazed.

I rode the MS-150 on my Raleigh Sports a few years ago. Several people were concerned that I would die. They were greatly amazed that I finished.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c628f67f53.jpg

thumpism 08-16-19 05:51 AM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 21077569)
I have two much newer 20 inch wheel dahons. One day I'd like to get one of the original style 16 inchers.

Help yourself.

https://richmond.craigslist.org/bik/...956155061.html

Pair of dahon folding bikes - $100

bicycle frame material: steel
bicycle type: folding
frame size: folding
wheel size: 20 in

Pair of older folding Dahon bikes. Great for the beach boardwalk. They both fit in the trunk of a Mazda Protege. Might need a little tlc as they haven't been used in a while. Only one shown but the other looks like it.

$100 for the pair

Salubrious 08-16-19 09:54 AM

What's funny about doing serious miles on a three speed is that people these days think you can't do it, but back in the 30s three speeds were de rigueur. The most miles ridden on a bike in a single year was a record that was set on a three speed and stood for decades until the last year or two.

jackbombay 08-16-19 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 21078279)
The most miles ridden on a bike in a single year was a record that was set on a three speed and stood for decades until the last year or two.

I did read an article about this recently, they guy rode half the year on some other bike, then got a different sponsor and rode the second half on a sturmey archer 4 speed. Rode 65,000 miles in a year IIRC, in 1935 I think it was, nuts.

A guy broke the record 4 or 5 years ago with 75,000 miles, and 2 years ago a woman broke the record setting it at 86,000 miles, BUT, she rode in circles around her house for a year, where the guy in 1935 toured around England on crap roads, on a 40 pound bike, and had to stop at police stations and doctors offices to get signatures from "distinguished gentlemen" to prove he was in the places he purported to have ridden his bike. Don't get me wrong, riding 12,000 laps of a 7 mile loop around your house every day for a year straight to set the current record takes some mental toughness, but it really is not in the spirit of the record, IMO of course.

Ballenxj 08-16-19 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by jackbombay (Post 21078743)
I did read an article about this recently, they guy rode half the year on some other bike, then got a different sponsor and rode the second half on a sturmey archer 4 speed. Rode 65,000 miles in a year IIRC, in 1935 I think it was, nuts.

Plus, the guy riding with the Sturmey Archer 4 speed in 1935, is far, far more interesting to read about. :)

thumpism 08-16-19 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by jackbombay (Post 21078743)
Don't get me wrong, riding 12,000 laps of a 7 mile loop around your house every day for a year straight to set the current record takes some mental toughness, but it really is not in the spirit of the record, IMO of course.

Not much different from the procedure for an hour record, just more of it.

sykerocker 08-16-19 09:07 PM


Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 21075405)
DO IT!
I think it's interesting that people will do things like ride single speeds, fixies, and even unicycles for these challenge events. But a three speed is "just impossible".

https://live.staticflickr.com/4897/4...795bbd80_z.jpg

Uh, I've got a rule: If it's five miles or less, and I don't have to carry anything larger than a vintage Schwinn seat pack and a usual messenger bag, I bike. Period.

Main commuter ride is my '72 Raleigh DL-1 Tourist. Backup (and primary ride to the one area with an extreme altitude change) is my '69 Raleigh Sprite. I usually don't find the first gear on the S5 too much of an advantage over low on the AW. Fifteen mile days running errands isn't exceptional.

gster 08-17-19 06:25 AM

I've given up the car during the week and ride about 16 miles a day to and from work.
My bike of choice has been (mostly) my Robin Hood Semi with a '63 hub.
It has a larger cog on the back (not sure which), new tires and pads.
My only commuting complaint is other cyclists (inexperienced wobblers or Tour de France pretenders) and
pedestrians on smart phones/ear buds walking out in front of you.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c0081a3c97.jpg
GLS
Goes Like Stink.

JaccoW 08-18-19 06:34 AM

Got my hands on a classic SA shifter. Don't really need it right now but it was cheap and in decent shape.
Any ideas how to best get this into even better shape?

I'm thinking some rubbing with aluminum foil and a couple of baths in the ultrasonic cleaner?
Perhaps use some rust treatment to get rid of some of the spots on here?
Don't want to damage the chrome.

http://i.imgur.com/Lw6udxF.jpg

groth 08-18-19 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 21075405)
DO IT!
I think it's interesting that people will do things like ride single speeds, fixies, and even unicycles for these challenge events. But a three speed is "just impossible".

https://live.staticflickr.com/4897/4...795bbd80_z.jpg

Thanks - and thanks to others that answered my query.

And yes, the fact that there are almost no hills in NYC (I know of Harlem Hill and bridge ramps) will certainly help!

Looking forward to it!

- Ed

BigChief 08-19-19 04:15 AM


Originally Posted by JaccoW (Post 21080469)
Got my hands on a classic SA shifter. Don't really need it right now but it was cheap and in decent shape.
Any ideas how to best get this into even better shape?

I'm thinking some rubbing with aluminum foil and a couple of baths in the ultrasonic cleaner?
Perhaps use some rust treatment to get rid of some of the spots on here?
Don't want to damage the chrome.

http://i.imgur.com/Lw6udxF.jpg

I've never had one of these quadrant shifters, but if they're like the later triggers, that's an embossed brass face plate on the front. The chrome on the trigger face plates is quite delicate. It's not the usual type of plating. Only the front is plated and there's no plating in the embossed areas. It's like they printed it on somehow. If you look at the edge and can tell if the front is a separate plate, I wouldn't soak it in any acid like vinagar. It may eat away what's left. For sure, don't use any abrasives. If the front is one piece of solid chrome plated steel, you might get away with a vinagar soak. I would just clean off dirt and call it good. Nice find.

JaccoW 08-19-19 04:26 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 21081733)
I've never had one of these quadrant shifters, but if they're like the later triggers, that's an embossed brass face plate on the front. The chrome on the trigger face plates is quite delicate. It's not the usual type of plating. Only the front is plated and there's no plating in the embossed areas. It's like they printed it on somehow. If you look at the edge and can tell if the front is a separate plate, I wouldn't soak it in any acid like vinagar. It may eat away what's left. For sure, don't use any abrasives. If the front is one piece of solid chrome plated steel, you might get away with a vinagar soak. I would just clean off dirt and call it good. Nice find.

Yeah, most of the ones I've seen online have a brass plate. Probably because of others that have cleaned them in the past.
I'll be careful and keep it at a anti-rust gel + ultrasonic cleaner treatment and go from there.

gster 08-19-19 04:38 AM


Originally Posted by JaccoW (Post 21080469)
Got my hands on a classic SA shifter. Don't really need it right now but it was cheap and in decent shape.
Any ideas how to best get this into even better shape?

I'm thinking some rubbing with aluminum foil and a couple of baths in the ultrasonic cleaner?
Perhaps use some rust treatment to get rid of some of the spots on here?
Don't want to damage the chrome.

http://i.imgur.com/Lw6udxF.jpg

Good find!
I wish I had one.
Agree w/ BC.
I would just gently clean with some dish soap and a tooth brush.

JaccoW 08-19-19 05:02 AM

I have taken apart one of the "newer" 4-speed trigger shifters and restored it to working order but I don't think I will have to with this one.
It seems like a waste of the patina at least.

Here is the other one:

Before:
http://i.imgur.com/nVjUZB3h.jpg

After:
http://i.imgur.com/I35iCaVh.jpg

Ballenxj 08-19-19 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by JaccoW (Post 21081764)
I have taken apart one of the "newer" 4-speed trigger shifters and restored it to working order but I don't think I will have to with this one.
It seems like a waste of the patina at least.

Here is the other one:

After:
http://i.imgur.com/I35iCaVh.jpg

That looks really nice. Did you repaint?

alexnagui 08-19-19 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by JaccoW (Post 21080469)
Got my hands on a classic SA shifter. Don't really need it right now but it was cheap and in decent shape.
Any ideas how to best get this into even better shape?

I'm thinking some rubbing with aluminum foil and a couple of baths in the ultrasonic cleaner?
Perhaps use some rust treatment to get rid of some of the spots on here?
Don't want to damage the chrome.

http://i.imgur.com/Lw6udxF.jpg

Nice! Saw the ad on Marktplaats and you bidding on it. It has the right amount of patina!

BigChief 08-19-19 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by Ballenxj (Post 21081935)
That looks really nice. Did you repaint?

I agree. This looks much better with the colors restored even if there's no help for the missing chrome. On this shifter, the colors were gone but the chrome was still intact. There is no chrome in the embossed areas so just a dull, plain brass was showing. I could only see traces of black in the "3 SA and England areas, so I didn't add red. I covered the areas to be restored with a permanent magic marker, lightly soaked alcohol on a piece of paper ( a heavier paper like stationary is better than shiny paper like printer paper) and wiped off the excess on a flat surface.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...85806c98fc.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...43c6d0f206.jpg

JaccoW 08-19-19 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by alexnagui (Post 21082141)
Nice! Saw the ad on Marktplaats and you bidding on it. It has the right amount of patina!

Ha! Seems like I'm not the only one with an active "Sturmey Archer" search. :thumb:


Originally Posted by Ballenxj (Post 21081935)
That looks really nice. Did you repaint?


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 21082447)
I agree. This looks much better with the colors restored even if there's no help for the missing chrome. On this shifter, the colors were gone but the chrome was still intact. There is no chrome in the embossed areas so just a dull, plain brass was showing. I could only see traces of black in the "3 SA and England areas, so I didn't add red. I covered the areas to be restored with a permanent magic marker, lightly soaked alcohol on a piece of paper ( a heavier paper like stationary is better than shiny paper like printer paper) and wiped off the excess on a flat surface.

Nice result BigChief. I did something similar but using acrylic paint. Used some paper and alcohol soaked cotton buds to get clean lines. I went for these colors as they seemed to match up with pictures of the same model I found online.
Went through the trouble of disassembling the entire thing but that of course means you either have to replace the pins with new ones or drill the holes out for screws. I think I have a post around here somewhere with a bit more information.
http://i.imgur.com/7lXvTeCh.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/y9yYaOqh.jpg

julius rensch 08-19-19 05:31 PM

New Hudson with 3 speed
 
Anyone from our 3 speed group ever hear of o New Hudson (mine was purchased in Ohio at a Department store in 1954) very English, Brooks Saddle, Black Paint, including Tyre Pump, 26 x 1-3/8 Wheels, White Paint on rear of Mudguard...

price, at the time $49.00.

Eager to hear, Julius in Northwood, Ohio

BigChief 08-19-19 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by julius rensch (Post 21082932)
Anyone from our 3 speed group ever hear of o New Hudson (mine was purchased in Ohio at a Department store in 1954) very English, Brooks Saddle, Black Paint, including Tyre Pump, 26 x 1-3/8 Wheels, White Paint on rear of Mudguard...

price, at the time $49.00.

Eager to hear, Julius in Northwood, Ohio

Sure, New Hudson was a long time bicycle/motorcycle manufacturer. Things start getting confusing by the 1950s. Lots of brands got bought up by larger companies but the names lived on. For a while.

ascherer 08-19-19 08:40 PM

This weekend my daughter and I took a dad/daughter trip to NY/Massachusetts/VT. She really doesn't ride, but I brought my 66 and my wife's 74 Sports and we slow rolled about 8 miles on the Ashtuwillticook Trail. May be one of my best rides ever...

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3fad9fe556.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...aa901a2d5e.jpg

julius rensch 08-19-19 08:58 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 21083228)
Sure, New Hudson was a long time bicycle/motorcycle manufacturer. Things start getting confusing by the 1950s. Lots of brands got bought up by larger companies but the names lived on. For a while.

Thanks Big Chief...my wife had a new Denault (ck spelling) very much similar to the Mew Hudson...sold by Sears in 1961

arex 08-19-19 09:24 PM

https://i.imgur.com/K7YVlfi.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/694uar9.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/cX29Qf1.jpg

jackbombay 08-19-19 09:41 PM

What size tires/rims are on that sweet bike?

arex 08-19-19 09:58 PM


Originally Posted by jackbombay (Post 21083305)
What size tires/rims are on that sweet bike?

700Cx37, and they barely clear the fork crown. The rims are Sun Rhynolites, and way too wide for the tires. When I had the wheels built, I thought I'd be able to mount larger tires.

Ballenxj 08-19-19 10:20 PM

I agree! arex, that is one sweet resto-mod. The only thing I would do different, would be to retain the standard 3 speed style handlebars.


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