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wahoonc 08-17-15 06:35 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 18082230)
Tourists and Sportses have very short reaches from saddle to handlebar. Last time my wife tried my Sports, she refused to ride it because of that. There's not much you can do about it on a Tourist, because the stem and handlebars are a single piece, and I don't know of one with a longer reach. Moving the seat back is probably not a good approach, because then you are too far behind the cranks. So either get used to the position or don't. Those are your choices. I like my Sports for short, casual rides, and that's about it.

Yes the Raleigh and similar British bikes have short cockpits. I am actually used to it and it doesn't bother me a bit. In fact it feels a bit weird for the first few miles to get "stretched out" on my touring bike which is a Taiwanese frame.

Aaron :)

NormanF 08-17-15 08:16 PM

A DL-1 Tourist would be too big for me.

I prefer modern, proportionately-sized bikes for a reason.

BigChief 08-18-15 10:04 AM

I've been riding bikes for, well, a long time. The past few years, I've been really enjoying the more laid back, upright, slow speed casual riding on my vintage Raleighs. I find the geometry of the DL-1 and Sports ideal for this purpose.

browngw 08-18-15 10:30 AM

My 1971 Robin Hood "Sports Model" (23" frame) has drop bars but a very short stem. A different setup for sure, but comfortable for me.

http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...3&d=1436717862

Gasbag 08-18-15 10:41 AM

I've had quite a few arm, hand, and shoulder injuries over the years and really have no choice but to ride an upright seated bike to avoid pain. I find it preferable anyhow, a nice steady pace and ideal for taking in the sights. I've had my Rudge Sport for three years and it is dialed in to a very relaxed and natural feeling riding position. I haven't put the time in on the DL1 *yet* to get it to that ideal state. I should have the gearing solved by this weekend and will work on seat height and tilt along with handlebar height over the next few weeks. I need to play with tire pressure too to find the happy spot of comfort and low rolling resistance. Autumn is my favorite riding season so getting the DL1 dialed in is now a priority.

arex 08-18-15 11:25 AM

Nice setup.



Originally Posted by browngw (Post 18086038)
My 1971 Robin Hood "Sports Model" (23" frame) has drop bars but a very short stem. A different setup for sure, but comfortable for me.

http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...3&d=1436717862


Gasbag 08-18-15 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by browngw (Post 18086038)
My 1971 Robin Hood "Sports Model" (23" frame) has drop bars but a very short stem. A different setup for sure, but comfortable for me.

That is a sharp bike, well executed. Gold & white British bikes are my favorite color combination.

browngw 08-18-15 12:27 PM

@Gasbag @arex
I wish I could take credit, but a minor cleaning and a saddle change is all I have done to the bike. It still sports its original bar tape and cables! You can find some more photos here http://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...e-capsule.html I hope to find a nice brooks for it someday. As to the bars, I like both upright and drop and own three of each. The Robin Hood appealed to me because I wanted a "3 speed Racer" when I was a young lad.

adventurepdx 08-18-15 01:42 PM

For those of you that don't like the short reach of the Sports, I have seen the solution, spotted on the streets of Portland yesterday:
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5744/...9d725d6112.jpg
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5757/...a07218a3e4.jpg

Velocivixen 08-18-15 02:04 PM

Raleigh Sports have short reaches for their size? Oh, Now I'm interested. My Phillips has a long reach, as I think it's for a taller person.

markk900 08-18-15 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 18086680)
For those of you that don't like the short reach of the Sports, I have seen the solution, spotted on the streets of Portland yesterday:
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5744/...9d725d6112.jpg
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5757/...a07218a3e4.jpg

We used to do that (and the other which is flip the bars over) all the time as kids....of course we couldn't afford those 3-speeds so we did this with our coaster braked bikes....we felt pretty cool!

wahoonc 08-18-15 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by NormanF (Post 18084519)
A DL-1 Tourist would be too big for me.

I prefer modern, proportionately-sized bikes for a reason.

You know they come in two sizes? I have the large and still have two fists worth of seat post showing. Curse of being 6'-2" with long legs.

Aaron :)

BigChief 08-18-15 06:06 PM

I have seen North road style bars in 1". So It wouldn't be too difficult to find a 7/8" stem with a 1" bar clamp that has more offset.

iphthime 08-18-15 07:55 PM

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Hi everyone!

How long is the original rear reflector bolt on a 1970s Sports or LTD-3 supposed to be? I just took my rear wheel out for the first time and noticed that the bolt looked about ready to stab the tire to death. (Also, there was exactly one spot in the dropouts where the wheel or tire wasn't rubbing either on this bolt or on the chainguard or fender somewhere.) It's been like that for 42 years, though, so maybe it isn't as bad as it looks? Is this normal? Photo attached.

redfoxdogs 08-18-15 08:00 PM


Originally Posted by markk900 (Post 18087049)
We used to do that (and the other which is flip the bars over) all the time as kids....of course we couldn't afford those 3-speeds so we did this with our coaster braked bikes....we felt pretty cool!

Did that with my red Schwinn Breeze. Bent over and pedaled fast! Don't think I was fooling anyone.

redfoxdogs 08-18-15 08:02 PM

Has anyone put a rubber mud flap on their Sports?? I saw that Rivendell has a long and a short one.

clubman 08-18-15 08:09 PM

That modern tire (Schwalbe?) may be wider and taller than an original Dunlop EA3. Hence the problem. Trimming that bolt is not sacrilege IF you go you here and confess, invoking St Christoper as your patron saint.

iphthime 08-18-15 08:17 PM

Thanks - you're right, it is a Schwalbe. I only just replaced the original Dunlop and its tube, although the clearance can't have been *hugely* better on that. Is there a good way to replace the bolt with a shorter one, instead of trimming it? It's in the original rubbery reflector housing, and it looked like the bolt was underneath a flat metal plate underneath the red plastic disc and the foil backing and I wasn't sure how to take the housing apart further without damaging it.

redfoxdogs 08-18-15 08:29 PM


Originally Posted by browngw (Post 18086038)
My 1971 Robin Hood "Sports Model" (23" frame) has drop bars but a very short stem. A different setup for sure, but comfortable for me.

http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...3&d=1436717862

Pretty!

Gasbag 08-18-15 10:02 PM


Originally Posted by redfoxdogs (Post 18087831)
Has anyone put a rubber mud flap on their Sports?? I saw that Rivendell has a long and a short one.

Haven't done it myself but I have seen quite a few English bikes with them. Functional good looks and very traditional.

This link to the Flickr Ladies & Gents Roadster pages should be of interest to you, there is a whole bunch of eye candy to help inspire your build https://www.flickr.com/groups/hub_gear_roadsters/pool/page1



BigChief 08-19-15 05:01 AM


Originally Posted by iphthime (Post 18087806)
Hi everyone!

How long is the original rear reflector bolt on a 1970s Sports or LTD-3 supposed to be? I just took my rear wheel out for the first time and noticed that the bolt looked about ready to stab the tire to death. (Also, there was exactly one spot in the dropouts where the wheel or tire wasn't rubbing either on this bolt or on the chainguard or fender somewhere.) It's been like that for 42 years, though, so maybe it isn't as bad as it looks? Is this normal? Photo attached.

My older bikes all have more sensibly sized reflector screws, but my 69 Sprint has one similar to yours.Still, there's about a half inch clearance to the tire.This is the kind of lack of attention to details and stupid ideas that started appearing on the later models that I find aggravating. Fortunately, they are usually fixable and the basic design of the bikes is still sound. Just recently on my 73 DL-1, I went to shift into low, which I do a lot on my DL-1, and the cable went slack. The cable pulley slipped down on the seat tube making a nice scratch in the paint and wrecked the tubing sticker. I went to move the pulley back into position but the threads were stripped. Of course the threads were stripped. Sturmey Archer had eliminated the nut and simply folded the band material in half and drilled and tapped it. What a great idea! Must have saved them .000002 cents. I replaced it with an old two piece pulley that had a proper fine thread screw and nut.

michaelz28 08-19-15 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by iphthime (Post 18087806)
Hi everyone!

How long is the original rear reflector bolt on a 1970s Sports or LTD-3 supposed to be? I just took my rear wheel out for the first time and noticed that the bolt looked about ready to stab the tire to death. (Also, there was exactly one spot in the dropouts where the wheel or tire wasn't rubbing either on this bolt or on the chainguard or fender somewhere.) It's been like that for 42 years, though, so maybe it isn't as bad as it looks? Is this normal? Photo attached.

my 74 sports ( unrestored time machine ) .. its pretty long ,but with the original tires there is plenty of clearance . i'm shopping tires now and don't want this to be a problem http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/h...psd2hh0zkz.jpg

wahoonc 08-19-15 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by redfoxdogs (Post 18087831)
Has anyone put a rubber mud flap on their Sports?? I saw that Rivendell has a long and a short one.

I have a leather one that I haven't gotten around to installing yet. In the past I have used rubber stair tread, cove base, milk jugs, bleach jugs etc to make mud flaps for my fenders.

Aaron :)

redfoxdogs 08-19-15 07:01 PM

Thanks! Love to browse photos!

gster 08-19-15 08:00 PM


Originally Posted by redfoxdogs (Post 18091476)
Thanks! Love to browse photos!

Yes!
More photos please.


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