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ls01 07-01-22 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by phrantic09 (Post 22560300)
Pretty pricey too. 8 grand for 105?!


Originally Posted by seedsbelize2 (Post 22560214)
They're not making multi tools out of hardened steel anymore?

Not that one anyway ...

bampilot06 07-01-22 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by phrantic09 (Post 22560300)
Pretty pricey too. 8 grand for 105?!


You are paying 8 grand for the R in SLR, not for the 105.

Price will come back down eventually.

Mojo31 07-01-22 10:59 AM

There will be a Madone SL with 105 Di2 some day. Prolly just like Bams, but with different drive trains. Prolly less than Bam paid, too.

Eric F 07-01-22 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by big john (Post 22560208)
This will be our 6th Fourth of July at this house. In the past there have been fireworks for weeks before and after the holiday. An absurd amount of fireworks. This year has been mostly quiet. A few loud explosions, sure, but the nightly house rattling, car alarm triggering barrage has been absent. My neighbor mentioned this lack of "world war three" as he put it and the only thing we could think of is it must be money. People are not buying the rockets or not driving to wherever they have to go to get them.

For years the city has had a hot line and supposedly enforcement but it never mattered.

I suppose it's possible they are hoarding their munitions for a hellish weekend ahead. We shall see.

Similar in my 'hood.

Enforcement of illegal fireworks activity is pretty ineffective. By the time cops show up in response to a report, people are long gone.

big john 07-01-22 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by bampilot06 (Post 22560365)
You are paying 8 grand for the R in SLR, not for the 105.

Price will come back down eventually.

What does the R mean? Is it a different frame?

WhyFi 07-01-22 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by big john (Post 22560516)
What does the R mean? Is it a different frame?

SLR are their best frames in a given model: best carbon/layup, often with features and/or geometry options not available in the SL.

ls01 07-01-22 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22559641)
We had a cold front come through this week. Temp is down to 98 right now. Will ride about 7:00 as it should cool off to about 96 by then.

Brrrr, put on a sweater...

datlas 07-01-22 11:43 AM

Somehow my browser logged me out of BF. I got a glimpse of all the ads that non-paying members get. What a distraction!

Eric F 07-01-22 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by big john (Post 22560516)
What does the R mean? Is it a different frame?

It means you have to be Rich to afford it.

big john 07-01-22 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by ls01 (Post 22560566)
Brrrr, put on a sweater...

I went out and rode around for a couple hours this morning and it was in the high 70s when I started. It felt amazing to have cool air compared to riding into a hair dryer on Tuesday.

bampilot06 07-01-22 12:02 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 22560568)
Somehow my browser logged me out of BF. I got a glimpse of all the ads that non-paying members get. What a distraction!


It keeps me up at night.

bampilot06 07-01-22 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22560526)
SLR are their best frames in a given model: best carbon/layup, often with features and/or geometry options not available in the SL.

Weight savings typically were not much. I think the new frame saves a lot of weight. Havnt gotten a chance to really do any research other than drool over the picture.


Im really interested in what the new emonda will look like and how light it will be in the future.

indyfabz 07-01-22 12:16 PM

Opening lines describe the current weather conditions here.


indyfabz 07-01-22 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by big john (Post 22560208)
This will be our 6th Fourth of July at this house. In the past there have been fireworks for weeks before and after the holiday. An absurd amount of fireworks. This year has been mostly quiet.

You know...I didn't think about it until I read your post but the same is true here. Two years ago was probably the worst, with last year being better. I don't think I have heard anything at all while out on my back deck. During the height of the pandemic there seemed like constant fireworks weeks before the holiday and for a good while afterwards. People were even shooting off rockets before dark, which seemed stupid to me.

Trsnrtr 07-01-22 12:23 PM

When I was a wee bairn, we had a railroad track within 500' of my bed room window and a train would wake me up every night. I found the sound comforting. Many of the railroads have disappeared in my area and I miss the rumbling sound. Don't miss the crossings, though.

big john 07-01-22 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by indyfabz (Post 22560624)
You know...I didn't think about it until I read your post but the same is true here. Two years ago was probably the worst, with last year being better. I don't think I have heard anything at all while out on my back deck. During the height of the pandemic there seemed like constant fireworks weeks before the holiday and for a good while afterwards. People were even shooting off rockets before dark, which seemed stupid to me.

Exactly! I remember commenting to Mrs John how they were blowing their stuff up in daylight.

Mojo31 07-01-22 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by Trsnrtr (Post 22560625)
When I was a wee bairn, we had a railroad track within 500' of my bed room window and a train would wake me up every night. I found the sound comforting. Many of the railroads have disappeared in my area and I miss the rumbling sound. Don't miss the crossings, though.

Its crazy how quiet the newer locomotives are.

big john 07-01-22 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by bampilot06 (Post 22560601)
Weight savings typically were not much. I think the new frame saves a lot of weight. Havnt gotten a chance to really do any research other than drool over the picture.


Im really interested in what the new emonda will look like and how light it will be in the future.

2 Saturdays ago a friend showed up on a new Canyon and she said it was under the UCI limit, like 14 pounds or so. I picked it up, it was feathery.

Mojo31 07-01-22 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by bampilot06 (Post 22560601)
Weight savings typically were not much. I think the new frame saves a lot of weight. Havnt gotten a chance to really do any research other than drool over the picture.


Im really interested in what the new emonda will look like and how light it will be in the future.

New frame and bars supposedly shed 300 grams. Gets it down to Emonda SL weight. Supposedly.

Brought up the desire for a lighter bike again as it seemed the door might be a bit open. If there was a crack, it was quickly slammed shut in my face.

seedsbelize2 07-01-22 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22560647)
New frame and bars supposedly shed 300 grams. Gets it down to Emonda SL weight. Supposedly.

Brought up the desire for a lighter bike again as it seemed the door might be a bit open. If there was a crack, it was quickly slammed shut in my face.

And you, my friend, have fallen unde the spell of our domestic overlords. *****whipped mayhap?
Go out and buy the damned thing!

Eric F 07-01-22 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by big john (Post 22560644)
2 Saturdays ago a friend showed up on a new Canyon and she said it was under the UCI limit, like 14 pounds or so. I picked it up, it was feathery.

Jeebus!! That's pretty darn light.

indyfabz 07-01-22 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by Trsnrtr (Post 22560625)
When I was a wee bairn, we had a railroad track within 500' of my bed room window and a train would wake me up every night. I found the sound comforting. Many of the railroads have disappeared in my area and I miss the rumbling sound. Don't miss the crossings, though.

Maybe a decade or so ago the federal government preempted the field of train horns at crossing because local government were creating a patchwork of rules that were not practical to follow. For example, a township might ban the use during certain hours, but a rail line could pass through that township, leave it then reenter it again a mere mile or two away. Way too confusing to comply with the patchwork. (Pennsylvania to a similar preemption approach to the use of phones while driving after more and more local governmental bodies started adopting their own rules.) Now, trains are required to sound their horns at public crossings unless what is known as a Quiet Zone has been established. I won't bore you with what it takes to establish one, but I will say that it is usually an expensive undertaking involving a traffic study and physical improvements to the crossing. And the municipality requesting the QZ has to pay for it all. I worked on a couple many years ago that required hundreds of thousands of dollars in improvements and payments for future maintenance for the railroad-related improvements. Things like signs and concrete median to dissuade people from driving around the gates were not included in the amounts. That is why you usually find them in well-off areas.

Not sure if I ever posted this video in this thread. I shot it when I heard a train approaching Rockwood, PA, which has a few crossings in town. I was camping across the river along the GAP trail during the second day of a cross-PA tour. Turn up the volume to simulate the effect. Turned out to be Amtrak's Capitol Limited from D.C. to Chicago, but there are a lot of freights that use that line.



I shot this one from my campsite after the first day of my 2019 tour in MT and ID.





Mojo31 07-01-22 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by seedsbelize2 (Post 22560658)
And you, my friend, have fallen unde the spell of our domestic overlords. *****whipped mayhap?
Go out and buy the damned thing!

Not whipped as much as scared.

I get away with spending a lot on stuff I want, but I know when my physical and emotional happiness is at risk.

Mojo31 07-01-22 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by indyfabz (Post 22560692)
Maybe a decade or so ago the federal government preempted the field of train horns at crossing because local government were creating a patchwork of rules that were not practical to follow. For example, a township might ban the use during certain hours, but a rail line could pass through that township, leave it then reenter it again a mere mile or two away. Way too confusing to comply with the patchwork. (Pennsylvania to a similar preemption approach to the use of phones while driving after more and more local governmental bodies started adopting their own rules.) Now, trains are required to sound their horns at public crossings unless what is known as a Quiet Zone has been established. I won't bore you with what it takes to establish one, but I will say that it is usually an expensive undertaking involving a traffic study and physical improvements to the crossing. And the municipality requesting the QZ has to pay for it all. I worked on a couple many years ago that required hundreds of thousands of dollars in improvements and payments for future maintenance for the railroad-related improvements. Things like signs and concrete median to dissuade people from driving around the gates were not included in the amounts. That is why you usually find them in well-off areas.

Not sure if I ever posted this video in this thread. I shot it when I heard a train approaching Rockwood, PA, which has a few crossings in town. I was camping across the river along the GAP trail during the second day of a cross-PA tour. Turn up the volume to simulate the effect. Turned out to be Amtrak's Capitol Limited from D.C. to Chicago, but there are a lot of freights that use that line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eBa1j8F0dk


I shot this one from my campsite after the first day of my 2019 tour in MT and ID.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH-E1yO7lw4

God bless ICCTA, right?

My first exposure to the wonderful world of railroad law: https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-5th-circuit/1592763.html. I represented Maalt, LP.

indyfabz 07-01-22 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22560710)
God bless ICCTA, right?

My first exposure to the wonderful world of railroad law: https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-5th-circuit/1592763.html. I represented Maalt, LP.

The FRA regs were issued under the Swift Rail Development Act.


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