2nd wheelset?
I have an entry-level gravel bike, a CAADx. It has WTB Riddler 37mm stock tires and stock rims. This is my do it all bike. My local rides are 50% pavement, 50% gravel- sometimes in the same ride. However, I also frequently ride on 100% pavement. I love the stock tires on gravel, but I’ve found that I struggle to keep up with a group, for example on a fondo ride, even a slow group on pavement. I tried switching to a slickish tires, Panaracer 32 mm, and these were great for the pavement rides, but unfortunately too squirrelly on the gravel roads and I didn’t enjoy those rides as much anymore, and they are really my favorite rides.
I tried switching the tires back and forth, but that has been tedious. I basically tried not to have to do it. A second bike is not an option. A second wheelset has been suggested, but my LBS says my bike is too inexpensive to bother as a second wheelset decked out with rotors and cassette will approach the cost of the bike itself. I still like the idea of the second wheelset and have been surfing around for a cheaper way to do this. I don’t need high end wheels- just the same average components I already have. For example, I found a set of takeoff wheels from a CAAD 13 that maybe would work. But not sure how to be certain they would actually fit my bike and swap well. Any advice or opinions on any of this would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. |
Maybe some Compass/RH slick tires in 38 would work well? You would have the size for gravel and they reportedly roll very well for pavement. Or Panaracer GravelKing slick in 38. Even Panaracer GravelKing SS could be an option(I have this model in 43mm and am fine on the pavement that connects my house with gravel. Mine are solo rides so I dont have to chase anyone and eek out every watt to keep up, but at the same time I dont get frustrated with how they feel on pavement compared to my road bike tires.
If you want another wheelset, then get another wheelset. You can pick up a quality aluminum wheelset plus rotors and cassette for $450-600. I view a quality aluminum wheelset as weighing about 1700g, having double butted spokes, rims that are 23mm or so, etc. There are multiple options within this range. No idea if that is what you want to spend though. |
Originally Posted by mstateglfr
(Post 22021263)
Maybe some Compass/RH slick tires in 38 would work well? You would have the size for gravel and they reportedly roll very well for pavement. Or Panaracer GravelKing slick in 38. Even Panaracer GravelKing SS could be an option(I have this model in 43mm and am fine on the pavement that connects my house with gravel. Mine are solo rides so I dont have to chase anyone and eek out every watt to keep up, but at the same time I dont get frustrated with how they feel on pavement compared to my road bike tires.
If you want another wheelset, then get another wheelset. You can pick up a quality aluminum wheelset plus rotors and cassette for $450-600. I view a quality aluminum wheelset as weighing about 1700g, having double butted spokes, rims that are 23mm or so, etc. There are multiple options within this range. No idea if that is what you want to spend though. |
Originally Posted by Gryffin123
(Post 22021240)
A second wheelset has been suggested, but my LBS says my bike is too inexpensive to bother as a second wheelset decked out with rotors and cassette will approach the cost of the bike itself.
The CAADX is a great bike, very capable. A new wheelset (even a cheap one) will likely be lighter than the stock wheels and as you've already concluded - a second set would make swapping between different tires much easier. This gets especially amplified if you want to run tubeless tires. My suggestion: Shop for a quality aluminum wheelset in the neighborhood of $400-$700. A new cassette will run you around $50-$75 and new rotors around $100. Assuming you already own tires, this is a total investment of $575-$875. From the other thread linked above: Shimano GRX wheelset: $420/1650g/21.6mm internal width HED Emporia GA Performance: $700/1670g/25mm internal width HED Ardennes RA Performance Disc: $650/1575g/21mm internal width. Other suggestions of DT Swiss and Light Bicycle Carbon are valid as well. |
I think I could spend $500-$600. Trouble is that the specs I need are pretty limiting. The current wheelset is QR100/QR135, with 6-bolt disc brakes and an 11-speed Shimano cassette. Most of the decent inexpensive wheelsets I’m finding are 100/142 thru axle (including the Shimano GRX). I’ve found a couple with the hubs I need, but the brakes are set up for CL. I’m assuming that would result in having to do some tinkering when I switch wheels.
I’m also not opposed to trying a different tire- sounds like going wider on slicker tires might be a happier compromise. And maybe set them up tubeless? |
Originally Posted by Gryffin123
(Post 22022977)
I think I could spend $500-$600. Trouble is that the specs I need are pretty limiting. The current wheelset is QR100/QR135, with 6-bolt disc brakes and an 11-speed Shimano cassette. Most of the decent inexpensive wheelsets I’m finding are 100/142 thru axle (including the Shimano GRX). I’ve found a couple with the hubs I need, but the brakes are set up for CL. I’m assuming that would result in having to do some tinkering when I switch wheels.
I’m also not opposed to trying a different tire- sounds like going wider on slicker tires might be a happier compromise. And maybe set them up tubeless? other hubs also can convert from QR to TA, but Ive never kept up on all the ones that can or cant. |
What model year is this bike? I didn't know Cannondale ever sold a disc version of the CAADX with quick release.
You will likely need a custom wheelset. No one is selling off-the-rack disc wheels with quick release these days. I agree with Mstateglfr that Prowheelbuilder.com is a good option for this. I'd target something like: Bitex MTF hubs (compatible with QR 100mm and 135mm spacing) DT Swiss R470 rims 28 CX-Ray spokes $556.52/1620 grams There are lots of different rim options that could work, so there might be a better option than the DT Swiss R470. |
I purchased an inexpensive wheel set from Bicycle Wheel Warehouse, house rims on 105 hubs with 32 DT double butted spokes. I think I paid about $440 shipped. I added a 12-25 11 spd cassette ($55 or so) and had some Conti Grand Prix 28mm tires, that actually are 32 mm on these rims. These are my pavement rims though can do packed dirt paths and such. My OEM wheels have a set of Gravel King tires in 43mm (actually 40) that I use when I know I'm predominantly not on pavement (though they roll pretty well on asphalt). The gravel wheels have the 11-34 cassette the bike came with (Cannondale Topstone), so is a better wheel set for hills.
I do find that the 22-1/2 lbs of the Topstone with the road wheels, is a bit slower in roadie group rides, thus my first thought was " get a road bike" for the group rides. A gravel bike with gravel tires is easily 5+ lbs more than a carbon road bike and you'll notice the difference. But 2nd wheels are a good less expensive route to take till you reach the point of wanting a lightweight carbon racing bike. |
Originally Posted by Steve B.
(Post 22023208)
I purchased an inexpensive wheel set from Bicycle Wheel Warehouse, house rims on 105 hubs with 32 DT double butted spokes. I think I paid about $440 shipped. I added a 12-25 11 spd cassette ($55 or so) and had some Conti Grand Prix 28mm tires, that actually are 32 mm on these rims. These are my pavement rims though can do packed dirt paths and such. My OEM wheels have a set of Gravel King tires in 43mm (actually 40) that I use when I know I'm predominantly not on pavement (though they roll pretty well on asphalt). The gravel wheels have the 11-34 cassette the bike came with (Cannondale Topstone), so is a better wheel set for hills.
I do find that the 22-1/2 lbs of the Topstone with the road wheels, is a bit slower in roadie group rides, thus my first thought was " get a road bike" for the group rides. A gravel bike with gravel tires is easily 5+ lbs more than a carbon road bike and you'll notice the difference. But 2nd wheels are a good less expensive route to take till you reach the point of wanting a lightweight carbon racing bike.
Originally Posted by msu2001la
(Post 22023131)
What model year is this bike? I didn't know Cannondale ever sold a disc version of the CAADX with quick release.
You will likely need a custom wheelset. No one is selling off-the-rack disc wheels with quick release these days. I agree with Mstateglfr that Prowheelbuilder.com is a good option for this. I'd target something like: Bitex MTF hubs (compatible with QR 100mm and 135mm spacing) DT Swiss R470 rims 28 CX-Ray spokes $556.52/1620 grams There are lots of different rim options that could work, so there might be a better option than the DT Swiss R470. I did a similar build on prowheelbuilder- same rims and hub and got down to $400/1692g. Not sure why so much lower in cost than your configuration. |
Originally Posted by Gryffin123
(Post 22022977)
I...I’ve found a couple with the hubs I need, but the brakes are set up for CL. I’m assuming that would result in having to do some tinkering when I switch wheels....
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My extra set of wheels are 6 bolt and the main ones are CL. I don't have to do anything to the brakes when swapping between them, although I understand that's not always the case. The disc is supposed to be in the same place no matter how it's mounted to the hub.
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6 bolt or centerlock shouldn't matter. The design of centerlocks seems more simple to me, and in a perfect world both wheelsets would have the same rotor design so you could have some redundancy in parts if needed, but I wouldn't let this get in the way of buying a particular wheelset.
As far as shimming rotors - I would only do this if something was way off. Otherwise it only takes a few seconds to loosen up a caliper, squeeze the lever and re-tighten on the new rotors to get them aligned. When I had an older MTB with QR discs, I had to do this even if I just took the wheel off and then re-installed it. |
Originally Posted by unterhausen
(Post 22024117)
My extra set of wheels are 6 bolt and the main ones are CL. I don't have to do anything to the brakes when swapping between them, although I understand that's not always the case. The disc is supposed to be in the same place no matter how it's mounted to the hub.
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Originally Posted by Steve B.
(Post 22025055)
...I understand that having thru-axle means tighter tolerances...
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I’ve done some looking and found a few options:
Wheelbuilder Bitex MTF hubs (compatible with QR 100mm and 135mm spacing), DT Swiss R470 rims (20mm ID), 1620-1690g about $450-$500 shipped Bicycle Wheel Warehouse House hub, house clincher (16mm ID), 1700g, $255 shipped House hub, house tubeless ready (19mm ID) 1700-1800g, $336-360 shipped House hub, house tubeless ready (21mm ID) 1750-1800g, $400 -$430 shipped Colorado Cyclist DT Swiss 500db (22mm ID) Hope RS4 hub, $430 shipped ($520 shipped with 160mm rotors installed) where I have given ranges it’s because the price and weight depends on the nipple and apple selection another option appears to be Hunt Wheels, 19-20mm ID rims in 1600-1700g range for $460-500, wait time for some options is July. |
These Hunts are expected to ship week 2 in May - $500 under 1600g
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Originally Posted by Gryffin123
(Post 22022977)
I think I could spend $500-$600. Trouble is that the specs I need are pretty limiting. The current wheelset is QR100/QR135, with 6-bolt disc brakes and an 11-speed Shimano cassette. Most of the decent inexpensive wheelsets I’m finding are 100/142 thru axle (including the Shimano GRX). I’ve found a couple with the hubs I need, but the brakes are set up for CL. I’m assuming that would result in having to do some tinkering when I switch wheels.
I’m also not opposed to trying a different tire- sounds like going wider on slicker tires might be a happier compromise. And maybe set them up tubeless? Tire-wise I'm also looking at maybe going with Panaracer Paselas in 700 x 38c. From reading around, they seem to offer the best compromise of price, durability and ride quality for road and light off-road. Hope that helps! |
Thanks!
Another option I found is Fulcrum Racing DB7 (i19) at about 1710g for $264 shipped. They get some good reviews. The main limitation (and part of the reason for the low price) is that they can only run tubeless with one specific Schwalbe tire model. I can run them with tubes as my pavement tires with the Panaracer 32 slicks that I already own. I realized that I don’t even need a cassette- I have an extra cassette that I run on my Kickr Core trainer in winter, but during outdoor riding season, I throw an old hybrid on the Kickr Core that uses a completely different cassette. So besides the wheelset, I only need to buy a set of rotors. |
Griffin,
I have a set of wheels I removed from my Caadx when I purchased it. They have never been ridden. I would be willing to sell cheap. |
I might be interested if they came off 2018 CAADx... I don’t have enough posts to PM you...
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I just found a set of RD2.0 wheels that came off of a 2017 Cannondale Synapse. They have less than 500 miles of use because the owner switched to carbon wheels early on. They are actually in my town so I can go look at them. As far as I can tell, these are the same hub as my bike, but a different rim, same ID. Looks like the weight will be about the same as my current wheelset. The owner is asking $175. Does that seem like a good enough deal?
I’d save 0.5lb - 0.75 buying new lighter wheels, but not sure that is worth an additional $200-250 on a 23 lb bike. |
Originally Posted by Gryffin123
(Post 22033644)
I just found a set of RD2.0 wheels that came off of a 2017 Cannondale Synapse. They have less than 500 miles of use because the owner switched to carbon wheels early on. They are actually in my town so I can go look at them. As far as I can tell, these are the same hub as my bike, but a different rim, same ID. Looks like the weight will be about the same as my current wheelset. The owner is asking $175. Does that seem like a good enough deal?
I’d save 0.5lb - 0.75 buying new lighter wheels, but not sure that is worth an additional $200-250 on a 23 lb bike. |
I’d expect some rotor rub and possibly needing some derailleur adjustment between the two wheel sets. I’ve done the two wheelset thing with a couple different bikes. Neither were drop, swap and go but now that used bikes are so pricey it’s probably your best option.
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Originally Posted by pipeliner
(Post 22034203)
I’d expect some rotor rub and possibly needing some derailleur adjustment between the two wheel sets. I’ve done the two wheelset thing with a couple different bikes. Neither were drop, swap and go but now that used bikes are so pricey it’s probably your best option.
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Originally Posted by Gryffin123
(Post 22027884)
Bicycle Wheel Warehouse
House hub, house clincher (16mm ID), 1700g, $255 shipped House hub, house tubeless ready (19mm ID) 1700-1800g, $336-360 shipped House hub, house tubeless ready (21mm ID) 1750-1800g, $400 -$430 shipped https://bicyclewheelwarehouse.com/Coupons.html |
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