Suggestions for an endurance/all-road bike with new Ultegra 12 speed groupset
 

Hey gang,

I'm looking for a new 2022 road bike that comes with the new R8100 Ultegra groupset. Ideally, I want the bike to clear 700x35 tires. So far, I've looked at the Cervelo Caledonia, Trek Domane, and Giant Defy. My LBS actually has the new Ultegra groupset in stock but I'm sure it would cost me a lot more to build up a bike. I was debating getting a titanium frame and building it up, but it's adding up quickly... Canyon as the Endurace too, which doesn't look too bad. Any other ideas would be appreciated... Thank in advance.

The refreshed Trek Domane should be announced/released within the month. They should be hitting stores by late summer in case you can hold off.

If considering a Ti bike, I've always like the T-Lab options -- eg. R3 Omni for an all-road:
https://t-lab-bikes.com/en-us/bikes/r3-omni

If you want a lower price, something like this might work. Go to the G21 gravel frame.


www.yoeleobike.com

Wow, this is the first generic/open mold/private label Chinese carbon frame I have seen that I would actually consider.
The geometry is nearly spot on with my current frame, which basically never happens since everything I have ever looked at up until now is far too small even in the largest size.

The 60mm frame has a stack of 650 and reach of 396. Little short on the reach, but manageable with a 10mm longer stem. The frame angles make sense(they arent super slack or anything goofy) and the mechanical trail is very reasonable for a road bike that will be ridden on gravel roads.
Now if it could just be purchased without any brand on the downtube since 'Yoeleo' is...well I really dont know what that is. The seafoam green and white(ice pink) option at least cammos the lettering pretty well.

Thanks for posting this!

The gravel frame is available in matte black with no lettering, but gloss colors with no lettering cost an extra $300 and longer wait time.

I've got a 47cm R12 road frame coming tomorrow. Delivery only took a week, assuming it arrives tomorrow by UPS, from Hong Kong. I'll put a mix of force axs with grx cranks, zipp 303s wheels.

Thanks for the heads up... I may wait for that... The new Cannondale Synapse looks good too, although I'm not too sure about all the integrated varia and lights. They'd be nice but what happens in the future when there is no parts availability?

https://www.cannondale.com/en-us/bik...e-carbon-2-rle

Funny, I actually looked at them last week. They look good and the prices are fair (at least compared to Moots), but I really didn't like the way the frame handles the rear axle/dropout.

This all road bike, Hakka MX - Ibis Cycles Inc., if you are willing to build it.

Canyon Endurace probably one of the most economical way to get R8100 groupset with a bike.

BMC Roadmachine.

Check out Lynskey titanium bikes. Recently they had a 35% off sale. I ride a Helix with SRAM Rival eTap.

That looks like it might fit the bill... Or, I'm thinking of getting a Time ADHX frameset and building it up with the new Ultegra 12 speed....

I like to look at geometry charts. I know what will fit and get me the position I want and the numbers vary from one bike to another. The BMC Roadmachine has the geometry I like and it's available in different builds and 2 different frame levels.

I just ordered a Ribble Endurance Disc sport. They said it would take until October 22 but had it ready to ship this month. Have not received it yet. Can't wait for my delivery next week!

Here's one with the groupset you want for $4000: https://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/ribbl...ku=BBROADCD030

I'm helping a buddy of mine price out a Fairlight Strael build at a local shop. It's apparently a very well regarded steel framed bike that can take (IIRC) 36mm tires.

The shop has listed the following:
- R8100 full kit $2500
- HED/DT Swiss Wheels $1k
- ENVE Cockpit $1k

I don't think he needs the ENVE cockpit, and the wheels are up for discussion, but I think if he goes with the Strael + R8100 that he'd have a pretty sweet bike.

allied echo.

2 bikes in 1. thank me later.

An expensive bike sold by a company which somehow believes that repositioning either axle changes the bike's reach and stack numbers!? :eek:

ECHO Ultegra R8100 Di2 Complete Bike – Allied Cycle Works

Never read anything about changing reach or stack, but changes wheel base would affect handling.

Have a couple of friends that have these, and love ‘em. Def. on my list of bikes to own at some point.

After looking more carefully at the flip chips, which are diagonal to the ground, if either is flipped, doing so slightly tilts the bike relative to the ground, thus slightly changing the reach and stack numbers.

Its a real thing- stack and reach numbers change. BB drop number will change too, along with HTA, STA, wheelbase, and more.

ETA- I see you looked into it and accept their math.

There must be dozens of bikes that fit your criteria. Unless you narrow it down, everyone will just recommend what they ride.

I did, after I realized that neither flip chip is parallel to (a) the other flip chip, (b) the ground, or (c) a perpendicular line to the ground, such that flipping a chip slightly tilts the bike which affects reach and stack.

If nothing else, I at least helped one online customer service person at Allied Bikes toward a more cogent explanation of how the flip chip affect reach and stack.

Reach and stack originate at the center of the BB. Nothing will change those numbers, since they do not reference the ground.

That was what I originally thought too, but after more coffee, I realized what I said above.

Stack and reach implicitly reference the ground, as the ground is directly linked to the the direction of stack and reach measurements. If you rotate the frame around the bottom bracket (as the flip chips do), stack and reach change.

All round, this looks to be a quite good comparative value given the wheels and carbon cockpit. Cheaper options out there with wheels and other stuff you may find yourself wanting to replace.
https://www.canyon.com/en-us/road-bi...aero/3367.html

Exactly. I too was initially stuck on the truth that the bottom bracket axis and the top of the head tube axis are two fixed points with a constant straight-line distance between them which is not affected by the orientation of either flip chip. But the angle of that straight line does affect reach and stack.

I actually prefer the cheaper, regular, non-aero version:

Endurace CF SL 8 Disc Di2 | CANYON US

I prefer the 50/34 cranks and I can spend the difference on wheels myself, unless I also need to spend some of that replacing the integrated handlebar and stem:

Canyon warns consumers, teams to stop riding the new Aeroad following van der Poel handlebar incident - VeloNews.com

I have no bike handling skills to speak of; I can just about manage to ride in a straight line most of the time.

It's a brand name, much like Trek, Specialized, Cervelo, Pinarello, etc. Don't be a brand name snob. You'd be surprised at how many "name brands" are actually Chinese framesets with expensive paint jobs and decals on them.
Yoeleo, ICAN, Winspace, Elves are just some of the Chinese carbon framesets that would stack up against any of the "snob" names. I built up a bike with an ICAN frame and fork, Ultegra Di2, Boyd carbon wheels, Ritchey handlebars with internal wiring, and a few other goodies. It cost much less than a similarly equipped "brand name". I bet if you could somehow ride it blindfolded so you wouldn't be distracted by the decals on the downtube, you'd love it.

Ha, my main road bike has my name on it, my backup road bike is a quality steel frame built in '89 by an unknown contract manufacturer for REI, my gravel frame is from Fairlight, my old gravel frame thsts now commuter duty is from Black Mountain, and I just built a Brand X frame from wiggle for my oldest daughter.

I am hardly a name brand snob- most people wouldn't recognize any of those brands and I am quite comfortable with it.


I simply dislike the name 'yoeleo'. I am aware of how contract frame manufacturing works in the bike industry. I am aware some companies build for large brands and also have a marketed house brand.
None of that changes the fact that I just don't like that name. I don't know how to pronounce it and it means nothing to me. It's apparently a reference to the guy who started the company, named Leo. Name it Leostar or whatever else that's easier to pronounce.



Anyways, you missed the mark badly here. I have no issue with it being a brand from a contract manufacturer, I am hardly a popular name brand snob, and you picked the one negative comment I had out of a post that is otherwise very positive and supportive and ranted about that comment.