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phrantic09 01-24-22 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by Eric F (Post 22385562)
Neither of my daughters have learned how to drive a stick. This is directly related to the fact that all the cars in our household are automatics. I would guess this is why most millennials don't learn stick.

The last time I owned a car that was a stick was in the early '90s.

It was some time around 2007 for me. I learned to drive on stick.

Eric F 01-24-22 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by phrantic09 (Post 22385582)
It was some time around 2007 for me. I learned to drive on stick.

I did, too, because that was the car we had.

Jack Tone 01-24-22 03:01 PM

When I was eighteen, I got a job as a truck driver, driving a White Freightliner with two transmission, two sticks, and 16 speeds. I thought stick shifts were the way to go....until I drove in L.A. It's automatics for me, for my own cars, from then on.

Mojo31 01-24-22 03:02 PM

Sticks are fun in a number of ways, but they can get tiring.

The new automatics, primarily the dual clutch systems, are fantastic and nothing like the old slush boxes. If you're looking for performance, especially in performance cars, in most cases you are better off with the auto. Ferrari hasn't offered a manual for ten years. Many others have followed suit. The makes that do do so to cater to die hard fans, and typically only do so in limited numbers.

Personally, I grew up saying I would never own a car with a motor larger than 4 cylinders, a manual transmission, or an American make. Lots changed in the last 50 years! Every time I say I won't, I find my self doing.

Eric F 01-24-22 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22385613)
Sticks are fun in a number of ways, but they can get tiring.

The new automatics, primarily the dual clutch systems, are fantastic and nothing like the old slush boxes. If you're looking for performance, especially in performance cars, in most cases you are better off with the auto. Ferrari hasn't offered a manual for ten years. Many others have followed suit. The makes that do do so to cater to die hard fans, and typically only do so in limited numbers.

For outright performance, you can't beat a modern automatic (or semi-auto) transmission. The need to actually push a clutch pedal is archaic and slow.

big john 01-24-22 03:39 PM

One reason I liked the stickshift transmissions is that I could work on them myself. Of course, the last one was so bad I had to buy a rebuilt unit.

Mojo31 01-24-22 03:54 PM

A few weeks ago I was talking to a guy working at the local Trek store that drives a 2007 911. He was lamenting the cost of a new clutch in his manual transmission car. Almost $8k. And, that was using an indy. Ouch.

big john 01-24-22 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22385679)
A few weeks ago I was talking to a guy working at the local Trek store that drives a 2007 911. He was lamenting the cost of a new clutch in his manual transmission car. Almost $8k. And, that was using an indy. Ouch.

Seems like a lot but you can't have a 911 and expect cheap maintenance. I worked for a guy who did mods and service on 911s and 930s. I was astonished at the prices of things back then and that was in the 70s.

I looked at an on-line estimator and it says clutch replacement for that car should be no more than $3900.

Velo Vol 01-24-22 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by seedsbelize2 (Post 22385372)
Done. Long ago.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9ddb7c0ab7.png


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22385613)
Every time I say I won't, I find my self doing.

No self-control.

genejockey 01-24-22 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by Eric F (Post 22385603)
I did, too, because that was the car we had.

I learned how to drive on an automatic, because that's what Mom's car had. Dad's car didn't have that, but didn't have a manual either. It had Citromatic!

No clutch, but you had to shift yourself. That stalk sticking out the top of the steering column.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fb21c7ff5b.jpg

When you're accelerating, you lift off the gas when you want to change gears, just like a manual, and simultaneously move the lever to the gear you want - see shift pattern below. It also incorporates the starter - from Neutral, you push the lever to the left to actuate the starter.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f77858f4b4.jpg
I learned how to drive stick by borrowing my sister's Pinto.

genejockey 01-24-22 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by Jack Tone (Post 22385610)
When I was eighteen, I got a job as a truck driver, driving a White Freightliner with two transmission, two sticks, and 16 speeds. I thought stick shifts were the way to go....until I drove in L.A. It's automatics for me, for my own cars, from then on.

When I got the Dodge, it was after a year or so complaining about traffic in one particular place in my town. It's a fairly steep hill, and there's a stop sign at the crest. Not normally a problem, unless there's stop-and-go traffic. I complained about it so much that Mrs. GJ said she'd hit me if I got a manual.

Mojo31 01-24-22 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22385701)

I did that just last week. Wife was not feeling well and asked me to pick up sandwiches for lunch. I grabbed a couple of big chocolate chunk cookies. Amazing how good they are going down.

Mojo31 01-24-22 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by big john (Post 22385689)
Seems like a lot but you can't have a 911 and expect cheap maintenance. I worked for a guy who did mods and service on 911s and 930s. I was astonished at the prices of things back then and that was in the 70s.

I looked at an on-line estimator and it says clutch replacement for that car should be no more than $3900.

In 2011, I was looking at a 2009 911 with manual (997.2), and was told then that a clutch replacement by the dealer was about $5k. Ended up with a PDK car which was a wise decision for me.

You definitely pay a Porsche tax.

genejockey 01-24-22 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22385701)

The distribution of chips on that cookie is too even to be random. They were placed.

There used to be a lunch place nearby, part of a chain. They had cookies. Big cookies. Big, freshly baked cookies. Big, freshly baked cookies good for 450 Calories each.

Mojo31 01-24-22 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22385704)
I learned how to drive on an automatic, because that's what Mom's car had. Dad's car didn't have that, but didn't have a manual either. It had Citromatic!

No clutch, but you had to shift yourself. That stalk sticking out the top of the steering column.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fb21c7ff5b.jpg

When you're accelerating, you lift off the gas when you want to change gears, just like a manual, and simultaneously move the lever to the gear you want - see shift pattern below. It also incorporates the starter - from Neutral, you push the lever to the left to actuate the starter.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f77858f4b4.jpg
I learned how to drive stick by borrowing my sister's Pinto.


Weird.

But then, French.

rjones28 01-24-22 04:37 PM

I taught myself to drive stick in a second-hand TR6. One of my friends gave me some pointers.

Later, I had a Volkswagen Super Beetle with an AutoStick.

genejockey 01-24-22 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22385724)
Weird.

But then, French.

It made sense to them.

LesterOfPuppets 01-24-22 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by Trsnrtr (Post 22384165)
Same, but there is nowhere to put it at the moment.

I spent $500 on an issue during today's dip. Wonder how the rest of the week will go...

Velo Vol 01-24-22 05:17 PM


Originally Posted by rjones28 (Post 22385731)
Later, I had a Volkswagen Super Beetle with an AutoStick.

Never heard of it.

indyfabz 01-24-22 05:22 PM

Sorry. Couldn't resist.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...72fac54577.jpg

rjones28 01-24-22 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22385775)
Never heard of it.

I know.

Velo Vol 01-24-22 05:56 PM


Originally Posted by rjones28 (Post 22385813)
I know.

You know what I know?

DougRNS 01-24-22 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22385343)
Neither is social media.

Are

Velo Vol 01-24-22 06:03 PM


Originally Posted by DougRNS (Post 22385818)
Are

My point stands.

DougRNS 01-24-22 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 22385423)
Sadly, I was never able to get mrs datlas to drive a stick (which means she cannot drive the Saturn), so if/when she gets a Miata it will be automatic for the people.

quality. Not a big fan but to each his own.

big john 01-24-22 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22385722)
In 2011, I was looking at a 2009 911 with manual (997.2), and was told then that a clutch replacement by the dealer was about $5k. Ended up with a PDK car which was a wise decision for me.

You definitely pay a Porsche tax.

I'll say. Porsche-Doppelkupplungsgetriebe (I googled PDK)

DougRNS 01-24-22 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by seedsbelize2 (Post 22385362)
Psychosomatic?
We got home from a lengthy (for me and my cane) walk around town. The affected leg was ready for rest. We laid down in the bed and turned on the TV. And both of my feet became semi-numb. This is the sign that I need to sit down when out and about; I no longer feel the left foot. So I got up and sat down in a lightly padded chair. And everything has returned to normal.
Sort of. I haven't felt normal since we arrived at elevation, several days ago.

I guess getting high has adverse effects on your health.

DougRNS 01-24-22 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22385415)
Better Sisyphus than Prometheus.

it's all Greek to me.:foo:

Velo Vol 01-24-22 06:24 PM

My first and only wordle.


DougRNS 01-24-22 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22385825)
My point stands.

That's debatable.


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