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gster 05-22-16 10:25 PM


Originally Posted by Loose Chain (Post 18789140)
Working now on a blue Denault for my niece. It is not a complete bike (mostly complete and not in bad shape) and the left crank (!) is bent inward which of course tore up the chain guard. I can fix the chain guard, not sure about the crank :(.

This is it, proably shown it before but I think it is coming up in the priority now.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...s/DSCF0039.jpg

I do notice that while the frame itself is as nice as the Raleighs I have, instead of chrome plating many of the small parts are cad plated. The nuts are open, no nifty red "R" or I guess it would be a "D" instead. The steel rims are not the Raleigh pattern but have a simple convex crown. The fender stays are galvanized or cad plated wire, not the flat stays of my Raleighs. Interesting bike.

This bike may become a "Bitsa" though it will remain a Denault at heart, I hope.

Not sure what to do with this bent drive crank :/ . Hmmmmm.

On a positive note, the cotters came out easy. Of course, the pedals, oddly, no pedal wrench I have fits.

I usually do not split up a couple and have done a few pairs before but this interesting one came with the blue Denault and my home handi-man nearly fell over backwards for it and kept ogling it and drooling so I let him take it home with a pile of parts (he is a handi-man).

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...s/DSCF0038.jpg

I borrowed this picture from the net. Thank you to whoever took it. This Denault seems more Raliegh-esque with the flat stays (but only one on the rear), chrome bits and even has pegs. Why is there so much variation. The blue bike is a 1969.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...ps736b1018.jpg

J

Ride a Wheel on Sheffield Steel!

BigChief 05-22-16 11:06 PM

That's noglider's Rudge, not a Dunelt.
Straightening a crank arm isnt that hard. Just need a straight edge or another non bent crank to compare it with and a 1 1/2" pipe with cardboard stuffed in the end.
Here's my crank arm straightening tool
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/f...h/crank002.jpg

slowtostart 05-23-16 02:22 PM

I couldn't help myself. Looks like I just bought a Rudge very similar to nogliders to include an aged Brooks.
Appears to have newish tires and seller claims the shifter works. That was my first question.

noglider 05-23-16 03:17 PM

@Loose Chain, that black bike is my Rudge, and I shot the picture. Your new bike is a Dunelt, not Denault. It's probably pronounced "duh NELT."

I look forward to its development. I agree that the little bits on the lesser brands are lesser, but functionally, they're just about as good, and the bikes ride every bit as well.

Loose Chain 05-23-16 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 18791110)
@Loose Chain, that black bike is my Rudge, and I shot the picture. Your new bike is a Dunelt, not Denault. It's probably pronounced "duh NELT."

I look forward to its development. I agree that the little bits on the lesser brands are lesser, but functionally, they're just about as good, and the bikes ride every bit as well.

Denault, Renault, same difference, lol.

The photo came up on a search for Dunelt bicycles and the crank looks similar therefore my confusion. I like your bicycle, very clean and you even have the saddle above the bars! Very nice bicycle. I am not going to completely restore the little Dunelt (is that right ;) ), just make it rideable and enjoyable again. My niece will like it much better than a Walmart bike. No worries, she is unusual and will take good care of it. I have a Wald basket I may put on it for her.

Okay, so, a big pipe to straighten the crank, I assume you put the crank end into a vice (with aluminum pads)?

The decals and paint overall are pretty good but the decal on the seat tube is in bad shape. I think it best if I just completely removed it as it is now distracting. What would one use to remove the decal without harming the paint?

Kinda like this:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...s/DSCF0034.jpg

To this:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...s/PA240119.jpg

And now:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...IMG_0223-1.jpg

But I did this several years ago and I think I picked them off with my fingernails, is there an easier way?

Mine and my wife's:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...ps42d9s163.jpg


http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...psdxmehpn1.jpg

Two more in reserve:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...psvcsoqcz2.jpg

arex 05-23-16 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 18789151)
@arex - yes.

Mark Stonich...Bikesmiths, right? I'd trust that he sells good stuff. I assume you got the good machined ones.

Are both cotters pressed in the same amount? That's the only variable left that I can think of, assuming you don't have a bent crank. If you think they can go in further, do it, just to eliminate that as another variable. Beyond that...I dunno, dude.

Velocivixen 05-23-16 06:25 PM

@arex- not sure how to tell if crank arms are bent, But one cotter is pressed in a little farther. It won't go in any farther - I've tried. Don't want to start filing. It's only a minor thing.

gster 05-23-16 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 18788939)
Question: I had to use new cotters (from Mark Stonich - Raleigh tapered ones) when I remounted the crankset on my Raleigh Twenty. I'm wondering if they're out of phase somehow. They are 180 degrees apart - when each pedal is forward the nut is facing up. When I pedal it sort of feels like the pedal axles are crooked. I just installed a different pair of raleigh pedals to see how they work.

Ideas? I didn't file the cotters and they do look like they could go in a bit further.
@gster - I would say "yes" to oil in the oil port.

Thanks.

3speedslow 05-23-16 07:41 PM

2 Attachment(s)
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=523162 The bar tape I just found behind the cabinet drawers from early nineties is the same stuff you had on that Pinarello. http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=523163

BigChief 05-23-16 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by slowtostart (Post 18790951)
I couldn't help myself. Looks like I just bought a Rudge very similar to nogliders to include an aged Brooks.
Appears to have newish tires and seller claims the shifter works. That was my first question.

Rudge is, by far, my favorite of the Raleigh made other brand bikes. Rare though. Looking forward to seeing it.

DQRider 05-23-16 08:17 PM

Last Images From Pepin
 
With these three I bid farewell to the beautiful town of Wabasha, and to the tour itself for this year. I shot all three of these shortly after sunrise on Sunday morning. Wabasha was like a ghost town at that hour, but the sky was blue and the weather perfect for the forty miles or so we rode that day.

http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/...ps01ixsm1e.png

I forgot to get a shot of the sidewalks all rolled up, out-of-frame; but at least I captured the CLOSED sign.

http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/...psrwm5mipr.png

I love the play of light and shadow on this one. If you look closely, you will see a local bass boat throwing up rooster tail on his way up river. My trusty DL-1 made this trip with no problems whatsoever; just smooth and steady, like a Rolls Royce, as somebody here put it.

http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/...psxcmz7ig2.png

This was, without a doubt, the best time I've ever had on a bicycle.

BigChief 05-23-16 08:22 PM

2 Attachment(s)
@Loose Chain I bend the arm right on the bike. They bend easier than you would think for being drop forged. On my 64, I held the frame with my left hand and only needed the power from my right arm on the 3' pipe to correct the arm. I go slowly, smaller tugs on the pipe are better than big ones. I kept checking my progress using a straight non drive side crank arm as a guide.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=523178http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=523179

BigChief 05-23-16 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by DQRider (Post 18791777)
With these three I bid farewell to the beautiful town of Wabasha, and to the tour itself for this year. I shot all three of these shortly after sunrise on Sunday morning. Wabasha was like a ghost town at that hour, but the sky was blue and the weather perfect for the forty miles or so we rode that day.



I forgot to get a shot of the sidewalks all rolled up, out-of-frame; but at least I captured the CLOSED sign.



I love the play of light and shadow on this one. If you look closely, you will see a local bass boat throwing up rooster tail on his way up river. My trusty DL-1 made this trip with no problems whatsoever; just smooth and steady, like a Rolls Royce, as somebody here put it.
This was, without a doubt, the best time I've ever had on a bicycle.

Your photos are beautiful. Thanks for sharing them here.

DQRider 05-23-16 08:38 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 18791801)
Your photos are beautiful. Thanks for sharing them here.

It's my pleasure. Now that I think of it, that was you who likened the ride of the DL-1 to a Rolls, wasn't it @BigChief? But the name of the thread says it all - leave the grunting and spinning and sweating to the Lycra Lads (and Lasses); but for the sheer enjoyment of cycling, a 3-speed really is all you need.

Loose Chain 05-23-16 09:01 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 18791692)
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=523162 The bar tape I just found behind the cabinet drawers from early nineties is the same stuff you had on that Pinarello. http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=523163


LOL, wow, want to sell it? I found some blue tape with splotches of white, kinda cool, next time I retape it I will use it since the polka dots are apparently out of style ;) and no longer available.

3speedslow 05-24-16 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by Loose Chain (Post 18791860)
LOL, wow, want to sell it? I found some blue tape with splotches of white, kinda cool, next time I retape it I will use it since the polka dots are apparently out of style ;) and no longer available.

Sorry no, I am getting ready to wrap one of my bikes(Trek)with it and save the other tape for my Bianchi. I am hoping more will be found as I clean out behind the drawers and cabinets.

Quebber 05-24-16 12:55 PM

3 Attachment(s)
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=523318http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=523319http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=523320Some months back I made some inquiries here about Raleigh DL1s, and mine is finally on the road after many adjustments and parts replacements. Thank you to the guys at VIA Bike in Philly for helping with the Rod Brakes, which were just a bit beyond my abilities. Everything else I did on my own, including tracking down the dutch luggage rack, which, (brace for heresy) I think looks better than the racks Raleigh put on these things. I couldn't find anyone in the U.S. who sold these traditional Dutch racks, but after months of internet searches, I found one on a bike in a local junk shop. and got it for $20. As may be clear, it includes a stand.

DQRider 05-24-16 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by Quebber (Post 18793514)
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=523318http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=523319http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=523320Some months back I made some inquiries here about Raleigh DL1s, and mine is finally on the road after many adjustments and parts replacements. Thank you to the guys at VIA Bike in Philly for helping with the Rod Brakes, which were just a bit beyond my abilities. Everything else I did on my own, including tracking down the dutch luggage rack, which, (brace for heresy) I think looks better than the racks Raleigh put on these things. I couldn't find anyone in the U.S. who sold these traditional Dutch racks, but after months of internet searches, I found one on a bike in a local junk shop. and got it for $20. As may be clear, it includes a stand.

Very nice restoration! I really like the rack/stand combo. What year is yours? I only ask because almost all of the DL-1s I've seen have the white flash on the rear fender - something about that being required by law in the UK? Whatever the case, that is a beautiful bike! (and very nice photos too)

Velocivixen 05-24-16 02:16 PM

@Quebber - what a beautiful bicycle. Thank you for sharing.

adventurepdx 05-24-16 02:19 PM

Figured I'd throw this out there in case any of you Portland area three-speeders are interested and available. ( @Velocivixen or @gugie?) But I'll be leading a Three Speed Bike Camping trip in the Columbia Gorge next weekend, June 3-5. (The weekend AFTER Memorial Day) We still got three spots left! Full details and registration here:
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/three-s...on-25555522255

Velocivixen 05-24-16 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 18793805)
Figured I'd throw this out there in case any of you Portland area three-speeders are interested and available. ( @Velocivixen or @gugie?) But I'll be leading a Three Speed Bike Camping trip in the Columbia Gorge next weekend, June 3-5. (The weekend AFTER Memorial Day) We still got three spots left! Full details and registration here:
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/three-s...on-25555522255

I saw your event on the site. Thanks for the invite, but I literally have zero in the way of camping stuff. I guess I'm not much of the camping type. Have fun though.

adventurepdx 05-24-16 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 18793824)
I saw your event on the site. Thanks for the invite, but I literally have zero in the way of camping stuff. I guess I'm not much of the camping type. Have fun though.

Well, REI is having a sale right now, and I got some 20% off coupons to Next Adventure. ;)

Anyways, hope to see you on the Three Speed Ride on Sunday June 26!

Quebber 05-24-16 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by DQRider (Post 18793789)
Very nice restoration! I really like the rack/stand combo. What year is yours? I only ask because almost all of the DL-1s I've seen have the white flash on the rear fender - something about that being required by law in the UK? Whatever the case, that is a beautiful bike! (and very nice photos too)

Thanks so much. It's a real bonus to get some feedback. This is for the most part a 78, with some 73 parts swapped in from a rough ladies tourist.

My understanding is that for export, many didn't have the well known white portion at the base. I did find an identical tear mudguard WITH the white, but without the logo, in a LBS basement. Along with a 50s Rudge and some Sprites.

I opted to keep the atypical mudguard with logo.

Quebber 05-24-16 04:23 PM

Thank you!

BigChief 05-24-16 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by Quebber (Post 18793514)
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=523318http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=523319http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=523320Some months back I made some inquiries here about Raleigh DL1s, and mine is finally on the road after many adjustments and parts replacements. Thank you to the guys at VIA Bike in Philly for helping with the Rod Brakes, which were just a bit beyond my abilities. Everything else I did on my own, including tracking down the dutch luggage rack, which, (brace for heresy) I think looks better than the racks Raleigh put on these things. I couldn't find anyone in the U.S. who sold these traditional Dutch racks, but after months of internet searches, I found one on a bike in a local junk shop. and got it for $20. As may be clear, it includes a stand.

Beautiful bike! We're starting to get quite a few roadster riders here on this thread.:)

Loose Chain 05-24-16 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 18792451)
Sorry no, I am getting ready to wrap one of my bikes(Trek)with it and save the other tape for my Bianchi. I am hoping more will be found as I clean out behind the drawers and cabinets.

Ha, I was teasing, mostly ;), I have some very colorful blue and white oh so correct for my Pinarello bar tape when I tape it next. I found it in the bottom of my left over bike junk box! But indeed, put those polka dots on something neat.

Well, back to the Dunelt, it has grease in the BB that has turned to coal. My tie rod tool makes quick work of those cotters.

agmetal 05-24-16 06:30 PM

This beautiful 1965 Raleigh Sports came through my shop for a tuneup. I believe the owner got it from the family of a recently-deceased neighbor, who was the original owner. It appeared to be completely original, other than a brand-new saddle (Brooks B72, which is, annoyingly, more comfortable than the one I bought for myself and ended up returning). It didn't need much...a wipedown, a few adjustments, new rubber, and some oil. Didn't have any luck getting the lights to work, though
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...524_175115.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...524_175121.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...524_175128.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...524_175141.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...524_175148.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...524_175200.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...524_175208.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...524_175214.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...524_175223.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...524_175238.jpg

agmetal 05-24-16 06:32 PM

One more...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...524_175254.jpg

markk900 05-24-16 06:44 PM

Wow - both @Quebber and @agmetal - nice bikes! Where do you guys score such amazing condition bikes?

agmetal 05-24-16 06:47 PM

The '65 Sports I just posted isn't mine, although I will be asking the owner to let me be the first to know if he ever sells it. The '37 Tourist I posted a few weeks ago is mine, however, and came from a local guy who deals in lots of very old bikes


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