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tigervw78 03-18-19 08:20 PM

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9eea5e8a67.jpg

Sears
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ca9d568eec.jpg

This the rear fender on the 69 Sports I need to straighten.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...07261120c0.jpg

Sears hub is stamped '67.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a2b6e25bbd.jpg

Looks like a new chain.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1942506663.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7fc32f0753.jpg

tigervw78 03-18-19 08:23 PM

I didn't get a good picture of the rear fender on the Sears but it's in great shape as well. I haven't even cleaned it up. This is straight from the coop. This thing looks too good to use for parts, but it's too small for my daughter. What would you do?

browngw 03-18-19 09:15 PM


Originally Posted by tigervw78 (Post 20844160)
I didn't get a good picture of the rear fender on the Sears but it's in great shape as well. I haven't even cleaned it up. This is straight from the coop. This thing looks too good to use for parts, but it's too small for my daughter. What would you do?

It is now your responsibility to clean,care and nurture it, all the while searching for a good home where it will be cherished. Sort of like a lost puppy! :)

Ballenxj 03-18-19 09:24 PM


Originally Posted by browngw (Post 20844216)
It is now your responsibility to clean,care and nurture it, all the while searching for a good home where it will be cherished. Sort of like a lost puppy! :)

^^ Whut E Said. ^^ :p

BigChief 03-19-19 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by tigervw78 (Post 20844157)

Sears
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ca9d568eec.jpg

This the rear fender on the 69 Sports I need to straighten.

I think a repair on this mudguard would turn out well. Any left over creases are down by the reflector and wouldn't be so noticeable. Getting those reflectors off can be difficult. The bolts tend to be rusted solid. Since it's broken anyway, it wouldn't be a loss to grind the nut off.

3speedslow 03-19-19 08:33 AM

Fenders an easy fix. Save the reflector housing and use reflector red tape instead of the hard to find plastic piece. Does the same thing AFA safety.

Sears is your call. It’s a nice one and would make a good rider for someone. Fender would not transfer without some random holes in the metal work. Are they screwed into the brake bridge or clamped on?

gster 03-19-19 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 20839701)
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...91340ef98.jpeg
Itís about time to pull this one out of the bike shed for spring picnic romps!

Yes! A perfect example of a true scorcher.
Nicely done.

3speedslow 03-19-19 08:37 AM

^^And cleaner, now!

gster 03-19-19 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20844764)
Yes! A perfect example of a true scorcher.
Nicely done.

Again, I love the look of a true scorcher with the inverted bars.
I just wish my back and neck would agree.....

PeterLYoung 03-19-19 10:57 AM

1936 BSA Roadster, 3Speed (BSA) + Hub Brakes
 
[QUOTE=PeterLYoung;20814141]Arrived today, my special tool to extract the end cap of BSA 3 Speed inside Brake Drum. Because of the Hub Brake the 3 speed end cap is situated inside the brake drum, too deeply to get an effective wrench purchase on it. BSA had a special tool to extract the end cap but these are probably rarer than Hens Teeth and if anyone has one they probably do not know what it is for. I want to overhaul the 3 Speed while I am restoring the bike so the only way to be able to dismantle the hub was to design my own tool and have it made by a machine shop. I produced a drawing and sent it for quotes and Oakhammer Engineering Ltd of Corby UK contacted me with a very reasonable cost and once I said go ahead made it in 24hrs. It arrived today and is a perfect fit, I will probably start on it tomorrow but here are some photos and my drawing which is free to use by anyone with BSA 3 Speed Hubs to overhaul. Incidentally instead of case hardening the flats they used EN24T which is a tougher steel and perfectly adequate for the amount of use this toll will endure:-/[QUOTE]

Restoration Update: Just got the wheels back from builder today. Rims I decided to have powder coated as they were painted black and chrome was shot. The hubs cleaned up great, chrome was saved and 3 Speed has been stripped, cleaned and checked for wear (some wear consistent with age but perfectly serviceable. I have two spare complete 3 BSA speed hubs for spares if necessary). Front hub also stripped cleaned and re packed. Brake linings have plenty of wear left in them, I swapped brake shoes between front & rear as fronts were slightly more worn than rear ones so that wear can even up.
Will post more photos when rebuild complete.




https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...62a9a5ec3d.jpg

Front Wheel Rebuilt.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0c98ffe9d2.jpg

Rear Wheel Rebuilt
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0372ef2816.jpg

Tyres Refitted and Wheels back on the bike.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fe85f21f72.jpg

Front Wheel showing how well Hub cleaned up.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...355bdb0004.jpg

Rear Wheel showing how Hub cleaned up.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4585293dde.jpg

Salubrious 03-19-19 11:10 AM

Nice!

I'm working on a 1935 Raleigh that has a type KB hub so drum brake front and rear, but its all cable operated. The rod system on your machine looks lovely!

PeterLYoung 03-19-19 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 20845167)
Nice!

I'm working on a 1935 Raleigh that has a type KB hub so drum brake front and rear, but its all cable operated. The rod system on your machine looks lovely!

You are fortunate, there are parts available for your machine and cable operating system I prefer to rods, I cannot find any BSA hubs with combine brake drums (front or rear) on the web at all. One spoke hole was cracked on my front hub but I managed to get it welded but it was a scary thing to do. I have to say the steel was much higher quality before WW2, it does not corrode so much.
I still have to install much of the rod system plus mud guards three speed changer & cable plus rear carrier etc. I will post photos when completed in next day or so.
These bikes are definitely worth preserving, so few survived. good luck with your restoration, post photos when you can!!!

Salubrious 03-19-19 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by PeterLYoung (Post 20845308)
You are fortunate, there are parts available for your machine and cable operating system I prefer to rods, I cannot find any BSA hubs with combine brake drums (front or rear) on the web at all. One spoke hole was cracked on my front hub but I managed to get it welded but it was a scary thing to do. I have to say the steel was much higher quality before WW2, it does not corrode so much.
I still have to install much of the rod system plus mud guards three speed changer & cable plus rear carrier etc. I will post photos when completed in next day or so.
These bikes are definitely worth preserving, so few survived. good luck with your restoration, post photos when you can!!!

I lucked out on the wheels- the rims were stainless. The frame has been painted multiple times so I think I'm going to have to just redo the whole thing- there's nothing original about the paint to be original.

3speedslow 03-19-19 03:31 PM

I gonna pick up a 69 Austrian 3 speed hub made for Sears tomorrow. It does not function and I think it will be cool to take it down to see if I can bring it back. Off to find info about the shift needs for it. Hoping a SA trigger will work.

Edit: No problem! Even got the schematics from one of the threads. Going to be a fun day Thursday doing a tear down, unfortunately it’s drs all day tomorrow.

PeterLYoung 03-19-19 03:50 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 20845455)
I lucked out on the wheels- the rims were stainless. The frame has been painted multiple times so I think I'm going to have to just redo the whole thing- there's nothing original about the paint to be original.

Yes Stainless Rims were sometimes used, mine were chromed and then a previous owner painted not only the rims but the whole bike with some sort of bituminous paint also the bike must have been in an accident as the frame Main Triangle was twisted. Found a frame builder who managed to straighten in in a jig but he had to used heat so like your case there was no paint to preserve, so I had it powder coated same as rims but it looks really good. Managed to get BSA Transfers and put them on and applied lacquer over them to stop them rubbing off. Wheels rebuilt with stainless spokes. I de-rusted every part in vinegar and etch primed and painted black all non chromed parts and polished the chromed parts that I could but the chrome on the brake assembly and on the handlebars is pretty much beyond help but I am leaving it as it is as it does not look too bad and adds character. I might get a new Brooks B66 saddle if the one I have refurbished is not comfortable.

By the way I see you live in Jacksonville not so far from my North Carolina home in Southport. I am split between UK & NC, currently in UK but will be in Southport July through September. my wife is a New York Lass but I am a Brit.

BigChief 03-19-19 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20844778)
Again, I love the look of a true scorcher with the inverted bars.
I just wish my back and neck would agree.....

Same here. My current scorcher has upright bars for the same reason. But, I'm still out riding after all these years. Some adjustments for sure but considering that I've been on two wheels since 1959, that ain't too bad.
Another gratuitous photo of the hot rod Rudge scorcher. Fun bike.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5af1999131.jpg

BigChief 03-19-19 03:55 PM

[QUOTE=PeterLYoung;20845130][QUOTE=PeterLYoung;20814141]Arrived today, my special tool to extract the end cap of BSA 3 Speed inside Brake Drum. Because of the Hub Brake the 3 speed end cap is situated inside the brake drum, too deeply to get an effective wrench purchase on it. BSA had a special tool to extract the end cap but these are probably rarer than Hens Teeth and if anyone has one they probably do not know what it is for. I want to overhaul the 3 Speed while I am restoring the bike so the only way to be able to dismantle the hub was to design my own tool and have it made by a machine shop. I produced a drawing and sent it for quotes and Oakhammer Engineering Ltd of Corby UK contacted me with a very reasonable cost and once I said go ahead made it in 24hrs. It arrived today and is a perfect fit, I will probably start on it tomorrow but here are some photos and my drawing which is free to use by anyone with BSA 3 Speed Hubs to overhaul. Incidentally instead of case hardening the flats they used EN24T which is a tougher steel and perfectly adequate for the amount of use this toll will endure:-/


Restoration Update: Just got the wheels back from builder today. Rims I decided to have powder coated as they were painted black and chrome was shot. The hubs cleaned up great, chrome was saved and 3 Speed has been stripped, cleaned and checked for wear (some wear consistent with age but perfectly serviceable. I have two spare complete 3 BSA speed hubs for spares if necessary). Front hub also stripped cleaned and re packed. Brake linings have plenty of wear left in them, I swapped brake shoes between front & rear as fronts were slightly more worn than rear ones so that wear can even up.
Will post more photos when rebuild complete.




https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...62a9a5ec3d.jpg

Front Wheel Rebuilt.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0c98ffe9d2.jpg

Rear Wheel Rebuilt
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0372ef2816.jpg

Tyres Refitted and Wheels back on the bike.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fe85f21f72.jpg

Front Wheel showing how well Hub cleaned up.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...355bdb0004.jpg

Rear Wheel showing how Hub cleaned up.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4585293dde.jpg
Good job! Lovely bike. Glad it wound up in such capable hands. Keep the updates coming.

PeterLYoung 03-19-19 04:00 PM

[QUOTE=BigChief;20845706][QUOTE=PeterLYoung;20845130]

Originally Posted by PeterLYoung (Post 20814141)
Arrived today, my special tool to extract the end cap of BSA 3 Speed inside Brake Drum. Because of the Hub Brake the 3 speed end cap is situated inside the brake drum, too deeply to get an effective wrench purchase on it. BSA had a special tool to extract the end cap but these are probably rarer than Hens Teeth and if anyone has one they probably do not know what it is for. I want to overhaul the 3 Speed while I am restoring the bike so the only way to be able to dismantle the hub was to design my own tool and have it made by a machine shop. I produced a drawing and sent it for quotes and Oakhammer Engineering Ltd of Corby UK contacted me with a very reasonable cost and once I said go ahead made it in 24hrs. It arrived today and is a perfect fit, I will probably start on it tomorrow but here are some photos and my drawing which is free to use by anyone with BSA 3 Speed Hubs to overhaul. Incidentally instead of case hardening the flats they used EN24T which is a tougher steel and perfectly adequate for the amount of use this toll will endure:-/

Good job! Lovely bike. Glad it wound up in such capable hands. Keep the updates coming.

Thank you Big Chief for your supportive comments, much appreciated!!!!

3speedslow 03-19-19 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20845699)
Same here. My current scorcher has upright bars for the same reason. But, I'm still out riding after all these years. Some adjustments for sure but considering that I've been on two wheels since 1959, that ain't too bad.
Another gratuitous photo of the hot rod Rudge scorcher. Fun bike.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5af1999131.jpg

I love those Rudge machines. You have a nice scorcher! My inverted bar Rudge project has been slow to come around. Itíll have a good list of fitments to carry around but still a 3 speeder.

tigervw78 03-19-19 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by Ballenxj (Post 20844228)
^^ Whut E Said. ^^ :p

I figured y'all would say that. I wish I had the patience to sell on CL. I think I'll just poach the white walls and hang it on the wall until someone deserving appears. My daughter still prefers a newer derailleur equipped schwinn bike she asked me to get at the co-op and an old motobecane roadbike.

I need to post a pic of the chain guard on the '69 Sports. It is really large, covers half of the crank. Not sure where they got it.

tigervw78 03-19-19 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 20845642)
I gonna pick up a 69 Austrian 3 speed hub made for Sears tomorrow. It does not function and I think it will be cool to take it down to see if I can bring it back. Off to find info about the shift needs for it. Hoping a SA trigger will work.

Edit: No problem! Even got the schematics from one of the threads. Going to be a fun day Thursday doing a tear down, unfortunately itís drs all day tomorrow.

There's an SA trigger on SR Austrian I just picked up. I don't know if it's original.

tigervw78 03-19-19 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 20844762)
Fenders an easy fix. Save the reflector housing and use reflector red tape instead of the hard to find plastic piece. Does the same thing AFA safety.

Sears is your call. Itís a nice one and would make a good rider for someone. Fender would not transfer without some random holes in the metal work. Are they screwed into the brake bridge or clamped on?

Screwed into the brake bridge.

tigervw78 03-19-19 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20844723)
I think a repair on this mudguard would turn out well. Any left over creases are down by the reflector and wouldn't be so noticeable. Getting those reflectors off can be difficult. The bolts tend to be rusted solid. Since it's broken anyway, it wouldn't be a loss to grind the nut off.

I will work on it this weekend and let y'all know how it turns out.

arty dave 03-19-19 07:39 PM

Restoration Update: Just got the wheels back from builder today. Rims I decided to have powder coated as they were painted black and chrome was shot. The hubs cleaned up great, chrome was saved and 3 Speed has been stripped, cleaned and checked for wear (some wear consistent with age but perfectly serviceable. I have two spare complete 3 BSA speed hubs for spares if necessary). Front hub also stripped cleaned and re packed. Brake linings have plenty of wear left in them, I swapped brake shoes between front & rear as fronts were slightly more worn than rear ones so that wear can even up.
Will post more photos when rebuild complete.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4585293dde.jpg[/QUOTE]

It's looking fantastic, great job! You might have mentioned in an earlier post - are you fitting mudguards/fenders? I think whitewalls look really classy on these older bikes and they look great with the powdercoated black rims. I was very tempted to get a pair when I re-built my DL-1, but the shipping to Australia was too pricey. My DL-1 has rod actuated drum brakes like yours. Actually I'll be travelling to DC and then on to Berlin in June and July, it would probably be achievable to bring a pair of whitewalls back in my luggage. Anyone living in the DC area?

PeterLYoung 03-20-19 03:53 AM


Originally Posted by arty dave (Post 20845975)
Restoration Update: Just got the wheels back from builder today. Rims I decided to have powder coated as they were painted black and chrome was shot. The hubs cleaned up great, chrome was saved and 3 Speed has been stripped, cleaned and checked for wear (some wear consistent with age but perfectly serviceable. I have two spare complete 3 BSA speed hubs for spares if necessary). Front hub also stripped cleaned and re packed. Brake linings have plenty of wear left in them, I swapped brake shoes between front & rear as fronts were slightly more worn than rear ones so that wear can even up.
Will post more photos when rebuild complete.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4585293dde.jpg

It's looking fantastic, great job! You might have mentioned in an earlier post - are you fitting mudguards/fenders? I think whitewalls look really classy on these older bikes and they look great with the powdercoated black rims. I was very tempted to get a pair when I re-built my DL-1, but the shipping to Australia was too pricey. My DL-1 has rod actuated drum brakes like yours. Actually I'll be travelling to DC and then on to Berlin in June and July, it would probably be achievable to bring a pair of whitewalls back in my luggage. Anyone living in the DC area?[/QUOTE]

Hi: Drum Brakes were not common on these bikes as they added around 25% to the price of a new bike back in the day so they are even more scarce today. I have only ever seen one other BSA bike with them and that was a 1930's Sports version where they were cable operated. My front hub had a cracked spoke hole (suspect accident damage) and I tried to find another hub but there were non to be had so I managed to get it welded (my hubs are BSA's own manufacture and seem to be rare but I do occasionally see SA ones on eBay and other sites but these are not compatible for my bike as I bought one at an auto jumble for £5 just to strip it to see if parts were interchangeable but they are not). I have restored the original mudguards (Fenders for USA Guys) and will be refitting them (possibly today). The mudguards must have been damaged when the bike was in an accident as they have been repaired with riveted metal plates, really well done so are character adding to the bike. I also have the original rear carrier which also has been stripped and resprayed plus a rear wheel lock which I have restored and will refit. The Bell is a Lucas Challis date stamped 1929 and was on the bike when I bought it at auction. Competing bidders were trying to buy the bike just for the bell as they go for around £80 on ebay. My aim is to have the bike completed within next few days. Yes Whitewalls do look nice and are readily available here in UK, I bought mine at my local bike shop. My Model BSA never had a Chain-guard as it was sold as a 'Light Roadster'. I have already put a lot of information and photographs earlier in this 'For the love of English 3 speeds' Blog.
Regards.

52telecaster 03-20-19 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20845699)
Same here. My current scorcher has upright bars for the same reason. But, I'm still out riding after all these years. Some adjustments for sure but considering that I've been on two wheels since 1959, that ain't too bad.
Another gratuitous photo of the hot rod Rudge scorcher. Fun bike.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5af1999131.jpg

i like your style big chief. The older i get the higher my bars get too. Every day i pull substantial hills on my commute home and it feels great!

gster 03-20-19 07:44 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20845699)
Same here. My current scorcher has upright bars for the same reason. But, I'm still out riding after all these years. Some adjustments for sure but considering that I've been on two wheels since 1959, that ain't too bad.
Another gratuitous photo of the hot rod Rudge scorcher. Fun bike.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5af1999131.jpg

Looking at these scorchers, I think a small frame looks best
with the seat and bars extended as required.
The smaller frames appear more compact and agile.
Black being the preferred colour, of course.

paulb_in_bkln 03-20-19 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20845699)
Same here. My current scorcher has upright bars for the same reason. But, I'm still out riding after all these years. Some adjustments for sure but considering that I've been on two wheels since 1959, that ain't too bad.
Another gratuitous photo of the hot rod Rudge scorcher. Fun bike.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5af1999131.jpg

Attaching the rear rack allowed me to put mine into the commuter rotation. It's a blast, always. (Although all the other bikes are, too.) I'd love the racier look of flipped bars, but functionally there's no point because I'd then have to lift them a bit and with the 21 inch frame I'd have to replace the stem to do that.

PeterLYoung 03-20-19 09:23 AM

1936 BSA Roadster, 3Speed (BSA) + Hub Brakes
 
The BSA Roadster is now completed, spent all day re-assembling and I have ridden it so all is OK. Still might replace saddle but will use as is while I decide. Also it would be nice to find a replacement reflector for rear mudguard (Fender) as the rubber is in a very bad way. Bike is good now for another 83 years!!!!!!!


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e68cb2372b.jpg

Completed Bike
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...83e4fb97dd.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...900f4919c1.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...40474277cf.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a21e4587d6.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...21c71501af.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e2b3299d51.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...231dea2d1c.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d2cc5b6e43.jpg

paulb_in_bkln 03-20-19 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20845699)
Same here. My current scorcher has upright bars for the same reason. But, I'm still out riding after all these years. Some adjustments for sure but considering that I've been on two wheels since 1959, that ain't too bad.
Another gratuitous photo of the hot rod Rudge scorcher. Fun bike.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5af1999131.jpg

Amen Big Chief. There's no doubt in my mind that getting around by bike can keep us physically much younger than our years might lead a person who's not active to expect. Assuming you can avoid being crushed by a texting, belligerent, or just plain crazy driver. I'll turn 66 soon but I just had a physical and, although any of us can be blindsided by illness, as far as the things that are checked routinely in a doctor's office my numbers look great. I didn't leave my desk job willingly but it still may have been the best thing ever happened to me. I ride to work, all weather, day or night, and I think there are underappreciated physical benefits to regular exercise in winter cold and summer heat, and as I've got a walking around job I'm on my feet the entire time, too. People tell me I move like a much younger man (except for bending down which is hard now, goddamn it! ). The last time I bought a subway pass was August 2007. That has saved me so many thousands of dollars that it's something, along with the staying healthy thing, that make my bike expenditures seem relatively puny. And if spending a few hundred or even a grand here and there on bikes fires up a person's level of enthusiasm for riding one, it's seems to me it's money very well spent.


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