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Salubrious 11-25-19 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 21223057)
What would cause that? I've recently done a 75 percent rebuild on my '53 FW. Bearing races and all internal parts were in great condition, very little wear. Are there parts that I should replace anyway prior to long-term use? It has new bearings now, and was cleaned out; repacked etc.

I'm thinking gear faces are worn. I'm taking it apart this winter.


Originally Posted by jackbombay (Post 21223117)
Are you talking about hitting "neutral"?

No. This is climbing hard in low, while holding the shifter in low as well to prevent it from dropping into 2nd (what most people call 1st on a 3-speed). 'Neutral' is between 3rd and high. Regardless if I keep my hand on the shifter or not, it will occasionally pop and slip; very unsettling as you know its not good for the teeth of the gears involved. I've got two 4-speeds that do this and one that is great.

Ged117 11-25-19 06:43 PM

Stumbled across this for sale. Seller says 1958. The SA window shifter is clearly visible mounted in the wrong spot. This looks to be a 1950s CCM "Club Bike". I like the colour very much. Would this bike have 26 x 1 1/4 wheels? How do they ride? I'm not sure if that is a Brooks saddle or some local 1950s Canadian alternative.

https://scontent.fybz1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...c4&oe=5E49A56D

https://scontent.fybz1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...51&oe=5E4CF756

https://scontent.fybz1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...19&oe=5E883CEB

https://scontent.fybz1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...0e&oe=5E7BFFF2
https://scontent.fybz1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...7a&oe=5E7E8746

clubman 11-25-19 08:36 PM

Nice Club Racer in an unusual blue. Looks nice and clean. Yes to the EA1 wheel set. I can't remember what saddle was stock but at least it's not a Dunlop.
The ride is just average, typical of CCM, but hey you'll look good! Quality tires are pretty much gone from the market. I'd swear my 51 had the same original rubber as yours. Perhaps Barron Swallows?
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...736cf0064b.jpg
51 CCM's

blackbomber 11-25-19 08:51 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 21222165)
I have a smaller one, a '66 CB160.

Very nice! I had one of those as well. If I was in the position to get another bike today, I壇 likely choose the 160 over the 450. A good part of that is due to the fact that 450 K0-K1 prices are out of my reach. But also the 160 is all I need. And none of the worries with the torsion bar valvetrain. I like the flat bars and Euro mirrors on yours.

blackbomber 11-25-19 08:57 PM

Since I知 now permitted to include pics (newbie), I値l post one of mine. 1972 Dunelt:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e67241556.jpeg

paulb_in_bkln 11-25-19 09:08 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 21223196)
I'm thinking gear faces are worn. I'm taking it apart this winter.



No. This is climbing hard in low, while holding the shifter in low as well to prevent it from dropping into 2nd (what most people call 1st on a 3-speed). 'Neutral' is between 3rd and high. Regardless if I keep my hand on the shifter or not, it will occasionally pop and slip; very unsettling as you know its not good for the teeth of the gears involved. I've got two 4-speeds that do this and one that is great.

I would most likely have to buy an FW in used, unknown condition, and this is not giving me confidence.

BigChief 11-25-19 11:35 PM


Originally Posted by blackbomber (Post 21223553)
Since I知 now permitted to include pics (newbie), I値l post one of mine. 1972 Dunelt:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e67241556.jpeg

Beautiful! Love the color. I wouldn't be able to resist buying a new Brooks leather saddle for a bike this pretty. My eye wants to see a B 67. Dark brown :thumb:

gster 11-26-19 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 21223533)
Nice Club Racer in an unusual blue. Looks nice and clean. Yes to the EA1 wheel set. I can't remember what saddle was stock but at least it's not a Dunlop.
The ride is just average, typical of CCM, but hey you'll look good! Quality tires are pretty much gone from the market. I'd swear my 51 had the same original rubber as yours. Perhaps Barron Swallows?
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...736cf0064b.jpg
51 CCM's

Interesting bike.
The only tires I've found to fit are Kenda 023 from Amazon.ca
Link;
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

gster 11-26-19 06:33 AM


Originally Posted by blackbomber (Post 21223553)
Since I知 now permitted to include pics (newbie), I値l post one of mine. 1972 Dunelt:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e67241556.jpeg

Ride a Wheel on Sheffield Steel!

thumpism 11-26-19 06:40 AM

Not mine.

https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/...018268626.html

Vintage Sturmey Archer 3-speed 26" wheels - $30 (W Springfield)

https://images.craigslist.org/01414_...8H_600x450.jpg
condition: excellent
make / manufacturer: Sturmey Archer AW
model name / number: 3 Speed
size / dimensions: 26"
I have three Vintage (1970's) 3 speed wheels 26" (takes 26" x 1-3/8" tires) with Sturmey Archer AW 3 speed hubs. $30/each or best offer! Wheels are pretty clean on the rims but do have some rust on the interior of the rims. Great replacements.

gster 11-26-19 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by blackbomber (Post 21223547)
Very nice! I had one of those as well. If I was in the position to get another bike today, I’d likely choose the 160 over the 450. A good part of that is due to the fact that 450 K0-K1 prices are out of my reach. But also the 160 is all I need. And none of the worries with the torsion bar valvetrain. I like the flat bars and Euro mirrors on yours.

The British Motorcycle industry and and their bicycle industry followed a similar downward spiral.
The 1966 Honda 450 started it.
Although small by today's standards, the Black Bomber was Japan's first "big bike".
The British and American manufacturers saw it as a bit of a joke.
Despite dominating the market, their products were old designs, built in old factories on old
worn out machines.
The Japanese bikes did three amazing things:
-They started
-They didn't break down
-They didn't leak oil.
Management, like Raleigh didn't see the future coming and were slow to react.
1968 saw the debut of the Honda 750 and the rest is history.
I have many great memories of my 1969 BSA 650 (still have it)
British motorbikes are a great form of exercise.
You can build up a real sweat pushing it home.......

clubman 11-26-19 07:17 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21223859)
The Japanese bikes did three amazing things:
-They started
-They didn't break down
-They didn't leak oil.

And they could rev up to 10,000 rpm without blowing up. Nothing the Brits made could do that.

Ged117 11-26-19 07:17 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 21223533)
Nice Club Racer in an unusual blue. Looks nice and clean. Yes to the EA1 wheel set. I can't remember what saddle was stock but at least it's not a Dunlop.
The ride is just average, typical of CCM, but hey you'll look good! Quality tires are pretty much gone from the market. I'd swear my 51 had the same original rubber as yours. Perhaps Barron Swallows?

51 CCM's

The bike is too small for me, so I think I'll pass. It is for sale in the Ottawa - Montreal region for those interested. I think I'll be holding out for an interesting higher-end frame in my size 60-62cm, should one come my way, for the next bike. My high tensile Peugeot has a nice ride for its original place in the lineup, and is a good commuter. It is cool to see a 1950s CCM though. The higher spec model description in your catalogue mentions "alloy steel" frame. I bet those are hard to come by.




Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 21223563)
I would most likely have to buy an FW in used, unknown condition, and this is not giving me confidence.

I bought mine like that. Once it is built into a wheel, I want to see how it will work. It has already had a 3/4 rebuild, but if it rides just fine, I will wait until it doesn't to take it apart again. FWs are supposed to be a little more touchy, but I read on the gentleman's cycle group that a higher quality shifter cable can help with low gear on four-speed hubs to hold things. Mark at Bikesmith sells higher end stainless shifter cables with a bronze cable stop brazed onto the end, and he recommends it for FW hubs for smooth action. I ordered two since I figured I'll be using this hub for years to come and the price was good. It seemed like a good idea and I was already ordering cotter pins for the '56 Sports and '72 Sports.


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21223828)
Interesting bike.
The only tires I've found to fit are Kenda 023 from Amazon.ca
Link;
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

If the frame was bigger I might have persuaded myself, especially for the colour and complete SA hub and window shifter.

blackbomber 11-26-19 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 21223663)
Beautiful! Love the color. I wouldn't be able to resist buying a new Brooks leather saddle for a bike this pretty. My eye wants to see a B 67. Dark brown :thumb:

Thanks - the color was a big draw for me, too. My previous 3spd lightweight was a '68 Schwinn Speedster in Sky Blue, which I really liked. The previous owner of the Dunelt (who gets credit for the refurb) indeed had a brown, Brooks-esque saddle and color matching grips prior to my acquisition. I like it better that way as well. Maybe next season.


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21223837)
Ride a Wheel on Sheffield Steel!

Are you a Bike Karma podcast listener? Because I read that comment in a Sean Connery accent :-)
https://podtail.com/en/podcast/the-b...rk-bici-co-bi/
​​​​​​​

Anyway, here's a shot the PO sent me.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...27c94a31af.jpg

gster 11-26-19 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 21223395)
Stumbled across this for sale. Seller says 1958. The SA window shifter is clearly visible mounted in the wrong spot. This looks to be a 1950s CCM "Club Bike". I like the colour very much. Would this bike have 26 x 1 1/4 wheels? How do they ride? I'm not sure if that is a Brooks saddle or some local 1950s Canadian alternative.

https://scontent.fybz1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...c4&oe=5E49A56D

https://scontent.fybz1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...51&oe=5E4CF756

https://scontent.fybz1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...19&oe=5E883CEB

https://scontent.fybz1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...0e&oe=5E7BFFF2
https://scontent.fybz1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...7a&oe=5E7E8746

Very interesting...
I like the sweep on the handle bars.
I wonder if these were actually made in Canada or assembled
from British parts shipped over.....
The BB and cranks are British style, CCM generally had a one piece crank.
My Mystery Canadian Cub Bike has similar lugs...
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...884f19a602.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a41247ac0a.jpg
.EA1 rims were made in Canada.

gster 11-26-19 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 21223870)
And they could rev up to 10,000 rpm without blowing up. Nothing the Brits made could do that.

I'm sure I have an original owners manual for your bike.
I just can't find it!

blackbomber 11-26-19 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 21223870)
And they could rev up to 10,000 rpm without blowing up. Nothing the Brits made could do that.

Yeah, that's the key to making the CB160 a really fun ride!

I was working in a motorcycle shop at the time (1999), and bought the 160 and a 100cc 2T Yamaha enduro from the owner in a package deal for $600. They were both bikes that were brought in for service, then abandoned by their owners. I didn't know the problems when I bought them, but the Honda turned out to have a charging issue. I worked around that by riding either on high beam, or with headlight off. Seems Honda thoughtfully engineered a stator which changed it's output based on demand - demand being dictated by headlight switch position. Anyway, I knew little about old Hondas when I got it, and was riding it like one would drive a car. No tach, but I imagine I was shifting in the 4k range. Anyway, a neighborhood motorcycle guru convinced me that I not only could wind the thing out, but that the bike would like it. So anyway, I was riding the thing like a GP bike, and having loads of fun. I rode with a couple of friends to a party several towns away, under the condition we would take backroads, as I'm on a 160, and they were on a '79 T140 and a '00 CBR600. I got good and drunk, as youngsters often do. I was yelled at for dirt tracking the 160 around the house we were at, and later did a smoky burnout on a piece of plywood (I have a photo somewhere I'll add if I find it). Then the ride home. My friends without telling me decided to take the freeway home. As I had no clue where I was, nor any GPS or map, I felt (keep in mind my condition) I had no choice but to follow them on the interstate (a road I was well familiar with). Anyway, I felt they were going too slowly for my tastes (the guy on the CBR just got the bike, and was riding on a permit), so I logically felt the thing to do was to get into the inside lane, pass them, and make my way home as briskly as possible. So there I was, tucked down behind the bars on i84 on this little Honda, completely maxed out for 12 miles or so. No helmet, no jacket, probably no gloves. Occasionally passing cars (I think we figured out this thing would do 75 on flat ground with no wind). Made it to my exit, and the little Honda had the smell of a warm engine, and the pipes were making all kinds of clattering sounds as they cooled off. But the bike continued to ride perfectly for the rest of the time I owned it.


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...870dbc2c8.jpeg

gster 11-26-19 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 21222165)
I have a smaller one, a '66 CB160.

Found it
1966 125/160 manual
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e79d306aa3.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...87c50b18fb.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...31a4131201.jpg
I've had this for 30+ years...
PM me with your address and I'll send it to you.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4f7ecfa290.jpg

clubman 11-26-19 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21223921)
I'm sure I have an original owners manual for your bike.
I just can't find it!

That would be special!


Originally Posted by blackbomber (Post 21223932)
Yeah, that's the key to making the CB160 a really fun ride!

...No helmet, no jacket, probably no gloves. Occasionally passing cars (I think we figured out this thing would do 75 on flat ground with no wind). Made it to my exit, and the little Honda had the smell of a warm engine, and the pipes were making all kinds of clattering sounds as they cooled off. But the bike continued to ride perfectly for the rest of the time I owned it.

Don't put any more bad ideas into my head please! :twitchy:

clubman 11-26-19 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21223976)
Found it
I've had this for 30+ years...
PM me with your address and I'll send it to you.

Awesome. Thank you.

gster 11-26-19 09:16 AM

It was just a matter of time
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c94ac22cd9.jpg
The fragile trigger face finally fell off.
It may have been on there since new.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5b21ae1080.jpg
I had a spare face in the garage.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...97c3c537a6.jpg
Old reliable is ready for continued trips to the beer store.

blackbomber 11-26-19 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 21223978)



Don't put any more bad ideas into my head please! :twitchy:

You may or may not wish to revisit THIS POST- I added pics. Seems when you try this on a piece of random plywood lying on the ground, it wants to kick back. So it helps to have a kind gent step in and provide ballast to keep the wood in place. I distinctly recall him quite perturbed that bits of my tire rubber found their way into his beverage.

Salubrious 11-26-19 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 21223563)
I would most likely have to buy an FW in used, unknown condition, and this is not giving me confidence.

Its not rocket science. They're good hubs.

gster 11-26-19 11:26 AM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 21224106)
Its not rocket science. They're good hubs.

When i worked on Star Trek Discovery we used to say that,
but it turns out it was rocket science....

dweenk 11-26-19 01:01 PM

Rocket science...
"The Loved One" 1965

dweenk 11-26-19 01:51 PM

Somebody needs this - quadrant shifter
 
https://delaware.craigslist.org/bop/...015355647.html

Ged117 11-26-19 02:13 PM

This beautiful machine is currently on eBay. 1953 Lenton Sports Reg Harris model. All I can say is, hubbuh hubbuh. One day I would love to own an English lightweight. I'd prefer to find a frame in rougher shape, and build it up according to my tastes. Humber, Rudge, Raleigh, Fothergill, etc...

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/bMgAA...Hc/s-l1600.jpg

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ImkAA...Hl/s-l1600.jpg

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/RLsAA...Ho/s-l1600.jpg

Commando 11-26-19 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21224026)

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...97c3c537a6.jpg
Old reliable is ready for continued trips to the beer store.

Hey Gster, it's good to see another Superbe without braze-on pump pegs, I've had a few people over the years tell me that mine couldn't be a genuine Superbe because they all had them. Same with the common misconception that all Superbes came with a B66 seat, though mine came with a vinyl Brooks.

BigChief 11-26-19 08:52 PM


Originally Posted by blackbomber (Post 21223891)
Thanks - the color was a big draw for me, too. My previous 3spd lightweight was a '68 Schwinn Speedster in Sky Blue, which I really liked. The previous owner of the Dunelt (who gets credit for the refurb) indeed had a brown, Brooks-esque saddle and color matching grips prior to my acquisition. I like it better that way as well. Maybe next season.


Are you a Bike Karma podcast listener? Because I read that comment in a Sean Connery accent :-)
https://podtail.com/en/podcast/the-b...rk-bici-co-bi/
​​​​​​​

Anyway, here's a shot the PO sent me.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...27c94a31af.jpg

Ahhh perfection... there ya go. Brown leather saddle and brown "R" grips. It really looks good here. I was searching for a pair of R grips for my scorcher, but the only ones I can find now are on eBay from China. No US sellers at the moment.

paulb_in_bkln 11-27-19 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by blackbomber (Post 21223553)
Since I知 now permitted to include pics (newbie), I値l post one of mine. 1972 Dunelt:

Dunelt was the line sold by my LBS when I was a kid. I don't remember if they had Raleigh. I still can hardly believe how kind my folks were to get me one. The $45 cost was a major expense. Until I caught ten speed fever from my cousin in late '69 or '70, I couldn't imagine a superior bicycle, though, of course, I actually knew nothing.


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