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rhm 01-17-12 10:18 AM

There definitely are kool-stop shoes/pads that work in the old Raleigh shoes/holders. They look like this:


http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...500_AA300_.jpg

The description often indicates they are for Campy brakes; but they will work in most old brakes. They work best in holders that are open at the back; if your holders are closed on all four sides, open it up at the back.

That said, I have had trouble finding them lately; could be they have been discontinued:eek:.

photogravity 01-17-12 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by Super.bee (Post 13731200)
On cogs:

I think I read somewhere that there's a theory that a larger than 22t cog could damage the innards of the AW. I guess hubs have an input ratio, can anyone report on actually finding the limit, what the conditions were and what breaks? I am running 22t, but would gladly go to 24 or more. I think it would broaden the appeal of the bikes too, as the climbing ability with 22 is already a surprise to most!

Mark Stonich regularly ignores the minimum input ratio of his hubs and has not had any failures I'm aware of. I would think that as long as you are not mashing or hard shifting you'd be hard pressed to damage one.

LuckyChow99 01-17-12 11:54 AM

I believe Mark told me a couple years ago that you'd be fine as long as you aren't standing up on the pedals and pumping it out. The larger the cog, the more torque increases. Also, the direct drive gear can theoretically withstand more torque than the other two.

Sixty Fiver 01-17-12 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by rhm (Post 13731210)
There definitely are kool-stop shoes/pads that work in the old Raleigh shoes/holders. They look like this:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...500_AA300_.jpg

The description often indicates they are for Campy brakes; but they will work in most old brakes. They work best in holders that are open at the back; if your holders are closed on all four sides, open it up at the back.

That said, I have had trouble finding them lately; could be they have been discontinued:eek:.

Check Kool Stop's web page... they are offering replacement pads for many more type of shoes than they ever did and Campy style inserts are available.

Continentals are a good replacement but they lack the classic shoe... one might also seek out NOS Matthauser shoes and pads which are the forerunner to Kool Stops.

rhm 01-17-12 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 13731758)
... one might also seek out NOS Matthauser shoes and pads which are the forerunner to Kool Stops.

Yes, that is always a good idea. If you see them, grab them.

Super.bee 01-17-12 06:09 PM

Thanks a lot, will keep an eye out. I don't think I have ever seen these!

Is there a risk that NOS won't be soft enough to work?

LuckyChow99 01-18-12 12:30 AM


Originally Posted by rhm (Post 13731210)
There definitely are kool-stop shoes/pads that work in the old Raleigh shoes/holders. They look like this:


http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...500_AA300_.jpg

The description often indicates they are for Campy brakes; but they will work in most old brakes. They work best in holders that are open at the back; if your holders are closed on all four sides, open it up at the back.

That said, I have had trouble finding them lately; could be they have been discontinued:eek:.

Found these pads tonight at Harris Cyclery. Went looking for them, as I have two rod brake Raleigh's. Not cheap I might add. I tried to get my LBS to order them for me. They couldn't get them from J&B even though J&B carries the Kool Stop line. Apparently they never ordered this model.

rhm 01-18-12 07:17 AM


Originally Posted by Super.bee (Post 13733044)
Thanks a lot, will keep an eye out. I don't think I have ever seen these!

Is there a risk that NOS won't be soft enough to work?

They're from the 80's, which isn't terribly old. At any rate, the ones I have are fine. Though I might add, the NOS ones I've seen on ebay were hardly cheaper than new Koolstop ones.

Harlan 01-18-12 12:32 PM

Got myself a sports today for a broken arm cruiser. Cream tires eventually. I'm happy since it was free.
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/1017/imag0074r.jpg

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Sixty Fiver 01-18-12 12:34 PM

Harlan, what a great find.

silvercreek 01-18-12 12:37 PM

Wish I could find me one of those.

photogravity 01-18-12 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by Harlan (Post 13735805)
Got myself a sports today for a broken arm cruiser. Cream tires eventually. I'm happy since it was free.

Harlan, do you know what year it is? It looks like a late 60's model to me.

Harlan 01-18-12 01:52 PM

Not sure of the year. Free as in I traded a free mtb for it.

noglider 01-18-12 01:54 PM

I think it's from the early 60's. And it's an incredible specimen.

I had a customer in a bike shop whose hard pedaling damaged the hub, but I was able to fix it. He was very large, and he looked strong. We had not changed the sprocket, but I think his mass made up for it. But I've only seen this once, so yes, I wouldn't worry. I'm about to put a 24T, and I'm going to ignore the advice and stand on the pedals. I'm 175 lbs, I climb fairly steep hills, and I might be towing some big loads, so it should be a good test.

It's fine that direct drive can withstand more torque, but I normally apply the most torque in low gear. ;)

Sixty Fiver 01-18-12 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by Harlan (Post 13736132)
Not sure of the year. Free as in I traded a free mtb for it.

Check the date on the hub shell... you can also reference the serial number to get an exact year as the hub date may precede the bike's age by a year.

photogravity 01-18-12 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by Harlan (Post 13736132)
Not sure of the year. Free as in I traded a free mtb for it.

Check the date code on the hub... Should be two digits indicating the year followed by some space and than another one or two digits which are the month. Examples below.

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6220/6...572f7569_b.jpg
Sturmey AW Alloy 53 5 Shell by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7004/6...bccbfb16_b.jpg
Hercules Cruiser - 1964 - 4 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6107/6...eeec7ca0_b.jpg
Sturmey AW 48 11 Shell by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr

photogravity 01-18-12 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 13736140)
I think it's from the early 60's. And it's an incredible specimen.

I had a customer in a bike shop whose hard pedaling damaged the hub, but I was able to fix it. He was very large, and he looked strong. We had not changed the sprocket, but I think his mass made up for it. But I've only seen this once, so yes, I wouldn't worry. I'm about to put a 24T, and I'm going to ignore the advice and stand on the pedals. I'm 175 lbs, I climb fairly steep hills, and I might be towing some big loads, so it should be a good test.

It's fine that direct drive can withstand more torque, but I normally apply the most torque in low gear. ;)

Tom, do you mean to tell me you still haven't put that cog onto a hub yet? C'mon, get with it man!!! ;)

Harlan 01-18-12 02:03 PM

April '69, sorry I've been out of the Sports game for a while.

Got it from a local guy who restores Sports', has a garage full.

Might be '59, gotta check again.

photogravity 01-18-12 02:19 PM

^^ Judging by the graphics as shown on The Headbadge website, I'm saying late 60's. The 50's would have had different graphics I believe.

yellowbarber 01-18-12 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by Harlan (Post 13735805)
Got myself a sports today for a broken arm cruiser. Cream tires eventually. I'm happy since it was free.

free? aww man, no fair;)

LuckyChow99 01-18-12 11:30 PM

Here's my Raleigh DL-1 I finished back in the summer
 
I happened to be lucky enough to pick up 2 DL-1's back in the summer. A matched pair, one being a ladies model. I finished the restoration on both, but have never shown them. Thought everyone here might like a look-see.

It's unusual to find one of these in the Atlanta area. The couple I bought them from moved down here about 10 years ago from NJ. They rode them once and decided it was way too hilly for these heavy bikes. True enough, their neighborhood was very hilly, but the bikes also had the original 18 tooth cogs on them. I changed them both over to 24. Helped a great deal with the hills.

Here's the bike as I bought if off of CL for $75.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-E...0/IMG_2066.JPG

Here is all the components torn down, cleaned, polished, and ready to go back on.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-H...0/IMG_0742.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-V...0/IMG_0749.JPG

A poor mans bike stand.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-R...0/IMG_0754.JPG

I think she came out pretty good.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-c...0/P1000145.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-t...0/P1000156.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-y...0/P1000158.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-t...0/P1000184.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-x...0/P1000168.JPG

This rack is the one that goes on the Pashley Roadster. Fits perfectly.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-l...0/P1000170.JPG

It took a while getting them both done, but I've really enjoyed this bike. It always gets a lot of attention when I stop by the bike shop that's on the local bike trail. I ride it to breakfast frequently too and park it outside the local diner. I keep an eye on it through the windows. There's always someone stopping to look at it. Hope everyone here enjoyed seeing it.

Sixty Fiver 01-18-12 11:34 PM

Lucky Chow... that DL1 looks better than it did when it rolled out of the Raleigh factory.

LuckyChow99 01-18-12 11:42 PM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 13738351)
Lucky Chow... that DL1 looks better than it did when it rolled out of the Raleigh factory.

Thanks Sixty Fiver! I had a good time doing it.

wahoonc 01-19-12 03:50 AM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 13738351)
Lucky Chow... that DL1 looks better than it did when it rolled out of the Raleigh factory.

Yes indeed! :thumb:

How much would you charge to redo mine? ;)

Aaron :)

photogravity 01-19-12 05:26 AM


Originally Posted by LuckyChow99 (Post 13738343)
I happened to be lucky enough to pick up 2 DL-1's back in the summer. A matched pair, one being a ladies model. I finished the restoration on both, but have never shown them. Thought everyone here might like a look-see.

It's unusual to find one of these in the Atlanta area. The couple I bought them from moved down here about 10 years ago from NJ. They rode them once and decided it was way too hilly for these heavy bikes. True enough, their neighborhood was very hilly, but the bikes also had the original 18 tooth cogs on them. I changed them both over to 24. Helped a great deal with the hills.

Here's the bike as I bought if off of CL for $75.


Here is all the components torn down, cleaned, polished, and ready to go back on.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-H...0/IMG_0742.JPG

A poor mans bike stand.

I think she came out pretty good.

This rack is the one that goes on the Pashley Roadster. Fits perfectly.

It took a while getting them both done, but I've really enjoyed this bike. It always gets a lot of attention when I stop by the bike shop that's on the local bike trail. I ride it to breakfast frequently too and park it outside the local diner. I keep an eye on it through the windows. There's always someone stopping to look at it. Hope everyone here enjoyed seeing it.

That is a beauty of a bike! It is nice to hear that it gets so much attention. It is very deserving. Do you know what year it is?

I'm glad to know the Pashley rack fits. I'm filing that info for future reference. ;)

cb400bill 01-19-12 08:02 AM

Beautiful! By the way, what bag is that?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-c...0/P1000145.JPG

LuckyChow99 01-19-12 08:18 AM

Photogravity, it is a 1974 model.

CB400bill, the bag is from Rivendell. I believe it is a Nigel Smythe SaddleSack .

FlatTop 01-19-12 08:33 AM

Beautiful DL1! And I'm liking the proportions of the Pashley rack vs the presstube or other vintage racks.

Is the rear wheel lock an addition? I'd expect to see that feature on a non-American-market DL1.

LuckyChow99 01-19-12 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by FlatTop (Post 13739133)
Beautiful DL1! And I'm liking the proportions of the Pashley rack vs the presstube or other vintage racks.

Is the rear wheel lock an addition? I'd expect to see that feature on a non-American-market DL1.

Yes, I added the wheel lock. I like them a lot for casual bikes.

diegoenusa 01-19-12 01:16 PM

Awesome bike... where can I find a pump like yours for my vintage 3 speed? TIA.


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