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el_spumante 10-10-11 05:37 AM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 13341358)
Super.bee, that's an interesting bike. I've never seen one like that.

And congratulations, el_spumante. After the LBS finishes the job, I recommend you start learning how to do this stuff. A 3-speed is a good learner bike.

Thanks. I think you're right. Just from reading old forum posts and other stuff online I've learned a lot. And worst case scenario, if I get in over my head I can always walk my bike and its pieces to the LBS for help.

el_spumante 10-10-11 05:39 AM


Originally Posted by jamesj (Post 13341978)
My wife's 74. Its a tiny bit big for her but it fits if she has the seat down.
she added corck grips, petersboro basket, copper bell, and 2 legged kickstand.

Sorry about the non drive side photo.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1.../upload1-1.jpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...or/upload2.jpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...or/upload4.jpg

Very nice! I like the white with the cork grips and wicker basket. How does your wife like that saddle? The LTD my wife just bought has the same kind, I think.

wahoonc 10-10-11 05:56 PM

@jamesj, nice looking bike! You might want to keep your eye out for a Raleigh Colt. They are a bit smaller in the frame and work quite well for short women. My bride is 5'-1" or so and can ride the Colt just fine. I haven not seen on in White but you never know. My wife did not like any of the vinyl saddle we tried. I swapped on a Brooks B66 off my big roadster and loves it.

Aaron :)

http://inlinethumb51.webshots.com/48...500x500Q85.jpg

noglider 10-10-11 08:53 PM

My friend has a Raleigh LTD-3 as his commuter bike. I convinced him to change his rims for a little lightness and because his rims are badly dented. He came over tonight, and we mostly built up the rear one. I taught him how, so this his first wheel build. He asked how many wheels I had to build before I had the lacing procedure down by heart. He also said that he found truing to be hypnotic and a bit obsessive. Wait until we get it to within half a millimeter!

We're using Sun CR-18 rims, of course. We completely relaced the wheel, this time interlacing the spokes. 40 spokes, 4-cross.

The hub says 1972 on it, and the spokes are in excellent condition.

jamesj 10-10-11 10:22 PM

I still need to learn how to build wheels. I need to find someone in the area who can teach me.
your a good friend Tom!


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 13346635)
My friend has a Raleigh LTD-3 as his commuter bike. I convinced him to change his rims for a little lightness and because his rims are badly dented. He came over tonight, and we mostly built up the rear one. I taught him how, so this his first wheel build. He asked how many wheels I had to build before I had the lacing procedure down by heart. He also said that he found truing to be hypnotic and a bit obsessive. Wait until we get it to within half a millimeter!

We're using Sun CR-18 rims, of course. We completely relaced the wheel, this time interlacing the spokes. 40 spokes, 4-cross.

The hub says 1972 on it, and the spokes are in excellent condition.


wahoonc 10-11-11 04:40 AM


Originally Posted by jamesj (Post 13346919)
I still need to learn how to build wheels. I need to find someone in the area who can teach me.
your a good friend Tom!

Use the directions from Sheldon Brown, those the best basic ones I have seen.

Aaron :)

photogravity 10-11-11 05:56 AM


Originally Posted by gbalke (Post 13336554)
I hate you!!

OK, I really didn't meat that. I've been searching for a 1954 dated S/A hub for the past year or more for my '54 Humber restoration. I just missed one on e-Bay last week.

Post some pics and your address and when you'll be away for a good length of time. Let's see, 5 hrs to drive from St. Louis to Chicago, 1 hr driving around aimlessly; it is Chicago, 20 minutes seeing if the coast is clear........

Seriously, great find there. What date stamps are on the hubs?

I just got my hands on a 1953 alloy AW a week or two ago. It is a beautiful hub, to say the least. I've got about 5-6 hubs hanging around ranging from 1948 to 1970 (or is it '72?). Oh and a grail find: a Hercules hub! :)

noglider 10-11-11 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by jamesj (Post 13346919)
I still need to learn how to build wheels. I need to find someone in the area who can teach me.
your a good friend Tom!

We've helped many folks build wheels right here. Go right ahead, and feel free to write here to ask when you need help.

rhm 10-11-11 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by sykerocker (Post 13341165)
On the 3-speed front, life just got interesting. Yesterday, I was notified that I won the following eBay auction:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/250904055807...84.m1497.l2648

Yep, I Cyclo Benelux (claimed) 2-speed derailleur with lever, obviously originally made up for the S-A multi-cog conversion freewheel. I think I may have just found the answer to my complaints about my Ranger being too high geared for my riding area. I've had a Cyclo 3-speed freewheel in my parts box for about three years now, just waiting for something like this to happen. 40 years ago, I had my (then new) Raleigh Sports rigged up with one of these setups utilizing a Huret Allvit derailleur and lever. Seem to remember it worked quite well climbing the hill up Peach Street in Erie so I could get to work. Later transferred the setup to the Twenty that replaced the Sports.

What's nice is that in the past week, I've gained 131 miles experience with the Cyclo Benelux on my recently restored Lenton Grand Prix (I'd never held one of these derailleurs until I started on this bike - they weren't in use by my bike shop days) and find that it's a nice shifting unit - as long as you don't try shifting on a climb while stomping on the pedals. Action on these old derailleurs is definitely predicated on a light pedal pressure while in action, and planning one's downshift well before the climb.

Now, if memory is still good: I seem to remember getting around not having a longer S-A axle back then by taking a hacksaw to a S-A right side nut and thinning it down the thickness of the derailleur hanger. I'm tentatively planning the same action here, although the invention of the Dremel tool should make things a lot more delicate and neater. I seem to remember that, at one time, S-A offered a longer axle for conversions of this type but it's been almost 40 years since I last tore down an AW hub, and quite frankly it's the one memory that hasn't transferred through time.

Any thoughts from anyone else who's done one of these since my last effort would be appreciated.

Yes, I've done that. I used exactly that derailleur on an AW hub with two cogs on it (20 and 23 is a nice setup). I did not need to do anything to the axle or washers, but it would really depend on the frame. If the dropouts are thick to begin with, you may have trouble. If the frame is spaced for a wider hub, you may need to switch to a 6 1/4" axle (which is easy).

What bike is going to get this treatment? Your Lenton Grand Prix is actually an excellent candidate for this, with the braze on shifter and cable stops. You could get a twelve evenly spaced gears ranging from 40 to 88 inches.

Dale Clyde 10-11-11 01:43 PM

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Wow, nice 3 speeds. I enjoy the pics, thanks. Thought I would add my own, it's a '64 Royal Bicycle Co. of the U.S.A. I believe these were manufactured by Raleigh.


http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=222442

sykerocker 10-11-11 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by rhm (Post 13347868)
Yes, I've done that. I used exactly that derailleur on an AW hub with two cogs on it (20 and 23 is a nice setup). I did not need to do anything to the axle or washers, but it would really depend on the frame. If the dropouts are thick to begin with, you may have trouble. If the frame is spaced for a wider hub, you may need to switch to a 6 1/4" axle (which is easy).

What bike is going to get this treatment? Your Lenton Grand Prix is actually an excellent candidate for this, with the braze on shifter and cable stops. You could get a twelve evenly spaced gears ranging from 40 to 88 inches.

The Lenton is currently running the stock 4-speed freewheel (14-16-18-20) and the 46/48 chainwheel. Which means it doesn't climb any better than my Ranger 3-speed.

My first thought is to install the setup on the Ranger. I'm having some second thoughts, since the Ranger is a '68, and the derailleur is at least 8-10 years older than that (the seller got in touch with me and said it came off a '60 Schwinn Racer). I'm starting to think that this is an excellent excuse to clean up the Cyclo, temporarily bag it, and start searching for a '50's British roadster (or another Lenton) to restore. And build up with the conversion. As my restoration skills sharpen, I'm really in the mood that every keeper bike that now passes thru the shop should be a few years older than the one that preceded it.

No doubt replacing the axle is easy - lord knows I did a lot of them 40 years ago. Biggest fumble at the moment is that I haven't torn apart an S-A since 1975, and that's the one procedure I can't seem to do in memory. No doubt it'll come back as soon as I start to tear one down.

jamesj 10-11-11 04:33 PM

Thanx. I need to get over my fear of screwing up. Im going to buy the CR18 rim and then we will go from there.

- james



Originally Posted by noglider (Post 13347574)
We've helped many folks build wheels right here. Go right ahead, and feel free to write here to ask when you need help.


markk900 10-11-11 04:37 PM

Dale - neat Royal...you might find the RI stamp (Raleigh Industries) on the drive side crank arm and/or the stem (might be lightly stamped) if it was made by Raleigh....sure looks like it from the photo though. That shiny chainguard sure looks nice!

Mark

wahoonc 10-11-11 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by jamesj (Post 13350628)
Thanx. I need to get over my fear of screwing up. Im going to buy the CR18 rim and then we will go from there.

- james

They aren't hard once you get started. Enough of us have built them we should be able to give you the spoke lengths and walk you through it.

Aaron :)

auchencrow 10-12-11 08:00 AM

In case you missed this in the "Are you looking for one of these? " thread.
A '36 Raleigh Golden Arrow on eBay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1936-Raleigh...-/270832811656

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...13344678_o.jpg

Complete with original catalog:

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...13347149_o.jpg

Sixty Fiver 10-12-11 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by auchencrow (Post 13353378)
In case you missed this in the "Are you looking for one of these? " thread.
A '36 Raleigh Golden Arrow on eBay.

Ya know... my birthday is coming up... :D

oldroads 10-13-11 05:46 AM

Nice original cycle.

rhm 10-13-11 06:44 AM

Woah, that Golden Arrow is lovely. Right up there with this Lenton Sports:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/270831373116...84.m1423.l2649

It seems expensive, but it's really unusual to find a bike of that vintage in that kind of condition. As far as I can tell, it's all original except for the pedals and maybe the handlebar (original handlebar should have a swoopier bend).

auchencrow 10-13-11 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by rhm (Post 13358340)
Woah, that Golden Arrow is lovely. Right up there with this Lenton Sports:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/270831373116...84.m1423.l2649.....

Darn rhm! I was sniping at that and now you go and advertise it to the whole world!
(Just kidding. My upper limit was exceeded by the second bid.;))

rhm 10-13-11 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by auchencrow (Post 13358370)
Darn rhm! I was sniping at that and now you go and advertise it to the whole world!
(Just kidding. My upper limit was exceeded by the second bid.;))

Sorry, Sir!

Honestly, I just bought the exact same bike, in deplorable condition, and as I face restoration and the many compromises I will have to make, I find this nice one tempting. Original mudguards, original saddle, original paint, original headlight... this is pretty much unobtanium. I don't think it's overpriced (yet). But (like you) I will not be bidding.

wahoonc 10-13-11 07:21 AM


Originally Posted by rhm (Post 13358340)
Woah, that Golden Arrow is lovely. Right up there with this Lenton Sports:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/270831373116...84.m1423.l2649

It seems expensive, but it's really unusual to find a bike of that vintage in that kind of condition. As far as I can tell, it's all original except for the pedals and maybe the handlebar (original handlebar should have a swoopier bend).

I think that is the original handle bar, they are just tilted up a bit too far. Nice find but too small for me.

Aaron :)

rhm 10-13-11 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by wahoonc (Post 13358472)
I think that is the original handle bar, they are just tilted up a bit too far.

Yeah, you may be right. The handlebar on mine --of the same vintage, within a month-- doesn't have the long straight section at the top, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. I can't prove mine is original, I can't prove the other one isn't; maybe they both are, maybe they both aren't. At any rate, here's mine:
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6152/...bd1b65e8_b.jpg

photogravity 10-13-11 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by rhm (Post 13358608)
Yeah, you may be right. The handlebar on mine --of the same vintage, within a month-- doesn't have the long straight section at the top, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. I can't prove mine is original, I can't prove the other one isn't; maybe they both are, maybe they both aren't. At any rate, here's mine:

In spite of the condition, I love that bike! It's a crying shame you saw it before I did, because I'd have definitely plunked down the cash...have you figured out yet what shifter you'll use on the bike? I think the one currently on it is rather quaint. :p

rhm 10-13-11 08:04 AM

I have what might be the original shifter for it! It's going to have a 1951 FM hub, 700c rims, 1965 dynohub... I think it will look pretty convincing. Did I mention that the frame is bent? There's a buckle/ripple on the down tube. No matching ripple on the top tube, though. I look forward to finding out how it rides.

photogravity 10-13-11 01:01 PM

I don't recall you mentioning that the frame is bent. I take back my comment in that case. Bent frame, but no bent fork?


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