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genejockey 08-02-21 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by indyfabz (Post 22167910)
You're a poet and don't even know it.

Should I be bard from poetry competitions?

genejockey 08-02-21 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by indyfabz (Post 22167909)
Soft shell crabs and corn to grill for dinner.

My siblings and I have been discussing what we want to eat during our get together at The Ancestral Home this weekend. My list includes corn, tomatoes, peaches, scrapple, shoofly pie, and Utz potato chips.

LesterOfPuppets 08-02-21 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22167921)
My siblings and I have been discussing what we want to eat during our get together at The Ancestral Home this weekend. My list includes corn, tomatoes, peaches, scrapple, shoofly pie, and Utz potato chips.

For some reason the Orowheat Outlet store in Vancouver, USA carried Utz. What a rare treat to enjoy up in the Pacific Northwest.

genejockey 08-02-21 12:10 PM

Speaking of Utz potato chips (the best potato chips IN THE WORLD, the pride of Hanover PA), when I was looking for a place to retire a few months back, I found a nice house in Hanover, which seemed to be very conveniently located - walking distance from the Utz factory outlet, as well as a number of doctors and dentists, the hospital, and one or more undertakers. Perfect for the retiree!

genejockey 08-02-21 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets (Post 22167928)
For some reason the Orowheat Outlet store in Vancouver, USA carried Utz. What a rare treat to enjoy up in the Pacific Northwest.

Annoyingly, Costco has Utz 'Snack Mix', which seems to be sold everywhere, but NOT the potato chips. :cry:

LesterOfPuppets 08-02-21 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22167934)
Annoyingly, Costco has Utz 'Snack Mix', which seems to be sold everywhere, but NOT the potato chips. :cry:

Never tried the Snack Mix, as snack mixes are not really my thing.

I need to see if my sister still does Costco and have her get me some Melona. The very best things to have in the summertime...
https://static.wixstatic.com/media/6...3860_s_4_2.jpg

Velo Vol 08-02-21 12:25 PM

DougRNS have you considered seeing one of these guys for your back ailment?


WhyFi 08-02-21 12:35 PM

LPLO *sigh*

Velo Vol 08-02-21 01:20 PM

Never had "Utz." Probably not shoofly pie, either.

Oh well.

genejockey 08-02-21 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22168052)
Never had "Utz." Probably not shoofly pie, either.

Oh well.

What about scrapple?

indyfabz 08-02-21 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22167921)
and Utz potato chips.

Maybe nostalgic for you, but I am not a fan of Utz snack foods.

Are you familiar with the controversy over the mansion Utz tycoon Michael Rice built in the dunes in Avalon, NJ? It's something like 14,000 sq ft and cost $30 million about a decade ago.

Here is an aerial view:

https://i.vimeocdn.com/video/713667103_1280x720.jpg

genejockey 08-02-21 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by indyfabz (Post 22168066)
Maybe nostalgic for you, but I am not a fan of Utz snack foods.

Are you familiar with the controversy over the mansion Utz tycoon Michael Rice built in the dunes in Avalon, NJ? It's something like 14,000 sq ft and cost $30 about a decade ago.

Here is an aerial view:

https://i.vimeocdn.com/video/713667103_1280x720.jpg

Not familiar with it. The news didn't make it to this coast.

WhyFi 08-02-21 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by indyfabz (Post 22168066)
It's something like 14,000 sq ft and cost $30 about a decade ago.

$30?! I'll take two!

indyfabz 08-02-21 01:44 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22168087)
$30?! I'll take two!

:o Fixed.

WhyFi 08-02-21 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by indyfabz (Post 22168090)
:o Fixed.

Damn! I hate missing out on ground floor opportunities. :p

Mojo31 08-02-21 01:46 PM

Here's a good article about the house: Jobs and 'the rich' (inquirer.com)

It was a stimulus package for the times it seems.

genejockey 08-02-21 01:52 PM

10 bedrooms and 13 bathrooms? That seems an odd balance.

indyfabz 08-02-21 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22168085)
Not familiar with it. The news didn't make it to this coast.

It's obscenely large. He and his wife already had a large house. And the new one was to be built in the dunes area. There was a lot of litigation to try and stop it. Ultimately, Rice won and got the necessary approval. The thing is super tacky looking from the street.

Avalon is a big $$ place at the S. Jersey shore. Perhaps No. 1. Certainly No. 2. My ex-GF's parents have a house that is not near the beach and is relatively plain and ancient by modern standards. IIRC, it only has two bathrooms. Maybe three. (I think the Utz place has 13.) Despite its age, lack of amenities and location, it was appraised maybe 6 years ago at $1.4 million. If someone were to buy the house today they would likely raze it and build an entirely new one. Someone just did that very thing a few doors away.

indyfabz 08-02-21 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22168107)
10 bedrooms and 13 bathrooms? That seems an odd balance.

These days, you need at least one bathroom for each bedroom and a few for company.

I live in a small worker bee row home in the city. Three "bedrooms." One bathroom. Yet people raised large families in houses like that. My mom was one of six kids. At one point when she was growing up there were 8 people living there. Same thing: One bathroom.

Velo Vol 08-02-21 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22168062)
What about scrapple?

Nope.

My people were Pennsylvania Dutch for 200 years, maybe. But I'm a generation too far removed to experience the culture.

genejockey 08-02-21 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by indyfabz (Post 22168114)
It's obscenely large. He and his wife already had a large house. And the new one was to be built in the dunes area. There was a lot of litigation to try and stop it. Ultimately, Rice won and got the necessary approval. The thing is super tacky looking from the street.

Avalon is a big $$ place at the S. Jersey shore. Perhaps No. 1. Certainly No. 2. My ex-GF's parents have a house that is not near the beach and is relatively plain and ancient by modern standards. IIRC, it only has two bathrooms. Maybe three. (I think the Utz place has 13.) Despite its age, lack of amenities and location, it was appraised maybe 6 years ago at $1.4 million. If someone were to buy the house today they would likely raze it and build an entirely new one. Someone just did that very thing a few doors away.

Living here has completely skewed my understanding of real estate values. A couple down the street, who lived in a 3br/2ba postwar tract house on ~1/4 acre, were having a garage sale, starting to clear out their stuff after retiring. Someone offered the $1.5 Million cash for it - which they took and moved someplace else. That was maybe 3 years ago.

genejockey 08-02-21 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by indyfabz (Post 22168118)
These days, you need at least one bathroom for each bedroom and a few for company.

I live in a small worker bee row home in the city. Three "bedrooms." One bathroom. Yet people raised large families in houses like that. My mom was one of six kids. At one point when she was growing up there were 8 people living there. Same thing: One bathroom.

I'm the youngest of 6 kids. When I was 4 we moved into what is now The Ancestral Home. 8 people, 1 1/2 baths. To this day, reading on the john feels like luxury to me.

genejockey 08-02-21 02:08 PM

Oh, and just imagine what it was like when we all came home for holidays, with spouses and kids. After we'd all left home, and Mom and Dad were still living there, the sewer line had gotten thoroughly infiltrated with tree roots, but M&D never noticed because the flow was sufficient for two old people. 15 people, though - that was more than it could handle.

Mojo31 08-02-21 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22168128)
I'm the youngest of 6 kids. When I was 4 we moved into what is now The Ancestral Home. 8 people, 1 1/2 baths. To this day, reading on the john feels like luxury to me.

As you might recall, we just went to IL to visit my parents. They still live in the house my dad and grandfather built in 1960. I'm the oldest of six, and for the longest time there were the four boys in one room, the two girls in another, and my parents in the third, all sharing one bath. About 1500' total until dad finished the basement when I was in high school. I then finally got my own bedroom, albeit without any windows.

Fast forward, and I don't know how we would make it without our four bedrooms and five baths, with each of our two kids getting their own bed/bath "ensuite" (to use that term loosely). Now, being empty nesters most of the year, it's nice to have a place to escape where it takes some effort to be found.

I don't begrudge the wealthy their large and often ostentatious places. As the article points out, they typically create a lot of local economic benefit.

genejockey 08-02-21 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22168159)
As you might recall, we just went to IL to visit my parents. They still live in the house my dad and grandfather built in 1960. I'm the oldest of six, and for the longest time there were the four boys in one room, the two girls in another, and my parents in the third, all sharing one bath. About 1500' total until dad finished the basement when I was in high school. I then finally got my own bedroom, albeit without any windows.

Fast forward, and I don't know how we would make it without our four bedrooms and five baths, with each of our two kids getting their own bed/bath "ensuite" (to use that term loosely). Now, being empty nesters most of the year, it's nice to have a place to escape where it takes some effort to be found.

I don't begrudge the wealthy their large and often ostentatious places. As the article points out, they typically create a lot of local economic benefit.

The Ancestral Home has 4 bedrooms and a finished attic, and the ages and genders of us kids worked out such that the two oldest (both boys) got the attic, which is a really big room. My oldest sister got one bedroom. My other sisters got another bedroom, and I, the youngest, because I'm a boy, got my own room. That was one advantage of being the youngest kid. More relaxed parenting was another. As my Dad said, "With the first kid, everything has to be sterile. By the time you get to 6, you let them eat out of the dog's bowl".


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