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horribleoldman 08-19-11 12:25 PM

how'dy'all gear your bikes? main gear in the middle with a higher and lower, or mail gear at the bottom with 2 higher?

gna 08-19-11 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 13104478)
I don't know why people lust after the Superbe so much. It doesn't ride any differently. It just has accessories you can add anyway.

Oh, reason not the need!
Though I suppose what you say is true. My Sports came with a B66, and I am building up a GH6 Dynohub into a wheel, so I'm mostly there. I also have a S5 hub that I will build up, too.

gna 08-19-11 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by horribleoldman (Post 13104503)
how'dy'all gear your bikes? main gear in the middle with a higher and lower, or mail gear at the bottom with 2 higher?

Main gear in the middle. I have a 21T cog on my Sports. Saves my knees some.

noglider 08-19-11 01:03 PM

I put a 22T on mine. Much, much better. But I had to sell that cog, so I'm going to put a 24T on it next. I don't need to pedal downhill, so I'll have three low gears.

P_M 08-19-11 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 13104478)
I don't know why people lust after the Superbe so much. It doesn't ride any differently. It just has accessories you can add anyway.

I suppose in this case it's the condition and it being an English bike (my Sports happens to be a Canadian model - NTTAWWT).

If it was an English '60s black Sports, I'd be even more enthused!

To be fair, the front hub and lights - I guess that's the only real difference I can see. A light set is on my list. I don't need a rear rack.

Sixty Fiver 08-19-11 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 13104478)
I don't know why people lust after the Superbe so much. It doesn't ride any differently. It just has accessories you can add anyway.

It was Raleigh's top of the line light roadster and was not sold as a Sports but rather, listed alongside the Tourist, and sold for a fair bit more because of the extras that were even lacking on the Tourist.

The rear rack, locking fork, hub generator, and lights are some nice accessories that are not that easy to find and building up a wheel with a generator hub for a Sports will cost over $100.00.

A Sports in primo shape would fetch $160-$200 here in a private sale... the extra $150 - $190 one would pay for a Superbe in equally primo shape covers the value of the rack, improved fork, and generator lighting.

djkashuba 08-19-11 08:32 PM

Recent purchase '68 Sports. Amazing how Raleigh Chrome and Paint hold up. Packing bearings tomorrow if I can find the right sizes in town....

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6185/...d7969ee4_b.jpg
'68 Raleigh Stem Cranks Bars by djk762, on Flickr

auchencrow 08-19-11 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by horribleoldman (Post 13104503)
how'dy'all gear your bikes? main gear in the middle with a higher and lower, or mail gear at the bottom with 2 higher?

I have a 22T on one of my bikes and I ride the top gear all the time. The other two are for climbing walls I guess.
The 18T on my other 3-speeds feels about right to me - 2nd gear is my main gear there.

auchencrow 08-19-11 08:37 PM


Originally Posted by djkashuba (Post 13106510)
Recent purchase '68 Sports. Amazing how Raleigh Chrome and Paint hold up. Packing bearings tomorrow if I can find the right sizes in town....

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6185/...d7969ee4_b.jpg
'68 Raleigh Stem Cranks Bars by djk762, on Flickr

Great photo! Can't wait to see the rest.

noglider 08-19-11 08:41 PM

Sixty Fiver, thanks for pointing out what makes the Superbe worth so much more. Now they don't seem overpriced to me.

Auchencrow, what kind of hills do you have? I find the 22T barely adequate. It's a heavy bike, and I have steep hills, and I sometimes tow a lot of cargo in a trailer. Hmm, the bike wasn't really built for that purpose, so I guess I'm doing well.

P_M 08-19-11 09:03 PM


Originally Posted by djkashuba (Post 13106510)
Recent purchase '68 Sports. Amazing how Raleigh Chrome and Paint hold up. Packing bearings tomorrow if I can find the right sizes in town....

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6185/...d7969ee4_b.jpg
'68 Raleigh Stem Cranks Bars by djk762, on Flickr

I couldn't help but notice the other pictures on the Flickr link... A black '60s Sports. That is one beautiful bike. Congratulations!

noglider 08-19-11 09:23 PM

I think that bike might be older than 1968. The typeface on the chainguard looks like early 60's.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6090/...1547e201_z.jpg

djkashuba 08-19-11 09:48 PM

Hub is '68 so I assumed. I will look for a serial number and try to nail it down proper. I think this bike will clean up very well.

-D



Originally Posted by noglider (Post 13106655)
I think that bike might be older than 1968. The typeface on the chainguard looks like early 60's.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6090/...1547e201_z.jpg


lostarchitect 08-19-11 09:53 PM

My main gear is the middle, the sprocket is 18t. Low for climbing, and high when I feel zippy.

djkashuba 08-19-11 10:18 PM

"I couldn't help but notice the other pictures on the Flickr link... A black '60s Sports. That is one beautiful bike. Congratulations!" P_M

Thanks P_M. This thread inspired this purchase as well as providing the knowledge (I hope) to tune this bike up without screwing it up.

-D

Sixty Fiver 08-19-11 11:00 PM

I set up my 3 speeds so that the most efficient drive gear is my primary and an AW is most efficient in it's 2nd / middle position... I like that gear to be in the 65-70 gear inch range which gives a 50 gear inch low.

For towing I will go the way Auchen sets up his three speeds with the third position being the primary drive gear and use the 1st and 2nd as towing gears.

The choice in rear cogs is also dependent on wheel size... our 20 in Portland has a 20 tooth rear cog so it makes those long climbs easy and this makes the 3rd gear the main drive gear while my Sports also has a 20 tooth rear but runs a larger 48 tooth ring and has 700c wheels so it does not have the same low end as the folder.

AL NZ 08-20-11 03:14 AM

I just bought a '55 Humber rod-brake roadster basket-case the other week, and I am happy that when it arrived that it is all there, including all chaincase parts.
However mucho rusto!
All the chrome is shot, with deep rust that is 3-dimensional.
And annoyingly, one of the brackets for the mudguard is missing the semicircular top 'loop' so I will need to get that repaired.

I have started on an expensive, but so-far-successful, campaign of buying the necessary chrome parts on UK ebay, and getting them posted one-by-one to NZ. Ouchy
So far I have the Humber-specific front fork brake-clamps (10 pounds), a set of various rodbrake parts (12 pounds) and a good set of rod brake handlebars (25 pounds). plus a fair bit extra to the good folk at Royal Mail for delivery..

I need to sort some wheels. The current wheels have a SA AG dynohub, but I don't know how good the gears are. The rims and spokes are shot. I am loathe to rebuild a wheel on a hub that might have stuffed gears, so I might look for another hub. I have some reasonable NOS Araya 28" rims, but not authentic for a Raleigh/Humber

The frame is blue, but needs a repaint. Too rusty.
I am in no hurry, and one small dilemma is how to rechrome the very rusty fork crowns AND repaint the forks.. any hints?

auchencrow 08-20-11 07:26 AM

Your Humber roadster certainly sounds like an challenging project, AL NZ, but an exciting prospect all the same.
I am not speaking with authority here as I haven't even seen the bike, but I'd suggest you dissassemble, clean and inspect the original SA hub before you consider replacing it. SA stuff tends to be almost indestructible and you may be able to get new spares if something is broken.

Re-chroming a fork is not something I've done myself, but I would imagine it would possible for the plater to mask the area you plan to paint. Probably your plater is the best one to ask about that.

PS- pics would be nice.

ohjonnybegoode 08-20-11 01:48 PM

1960 Ladies Rudge/1969 Men's Raleigh Superbe
 
Hi all...wanted to share two out of my collection - I'm thinning the herd, so these will be moving on soon...but they are both really neat...the first is a ladies 1960 Rudge...and the second is a men's Raleigh Superbe in the 23 inch frame. Both are in good shape for their age, and the Raleigh is a treat to ride...I'm going to go take an afternoon spin on it in a few minutes....:)
http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/...y/PIC_0048.jpg
http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/...y/PIC_0049.jpg
http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/...y/PIC_0050.jpg

http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/...y/PIC_0045.jpg
http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/...y/PIC_0046.jpg
http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/...y/PIC_0047.jpg

auchencrow 08-21-11 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by ohjonnybegoode (Post 13108489)
-- I'm thinning the herd, so these will be moving on soon...but they are both really neat...the first is a ladies 1960 Rudge...and the second is a men's Raleigh Superbe in the 23 inch frame. --

:thumb: Someone will be very happy to snag those, ohjonnybegoode. The 23-inchers seem especially difficult to find. I don't know why, but they are far less common than the 21" models, in my experience.

Amesja 08-21-11 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by auchencrow (Post 13110679)
:thumb: Someone will be very happy to snag those, ohjonnybegoode. The 23-inchers seem especially difficult to find. I don't know why, but they are far less common than the 21" models, in my experience.

I think people just didn't care that much about "sizing" of bikes back then -at least the kinds of people who bought upright 3-speed type bikes. It isn't as necessary that it be sized at closely to your height and LBS's selling the 23" bikes probably had a hard time moving them so why bother stocking something that didn't move?

The same thing goes for the 19" step-throughs. The 21" were much more common while the 19"s just were not imported and sold as much.

wahoonc 08-21-11 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by Amesja (Post 13110934)
I think people just didn't care that much about "sizing" of bikes back then -at least the kinds of people who bought upright 3-speed type bikes. It isn't as necessary that it be sized at closely to your height and LBS's selling the 23" bikes probably had a hard time moving them so why bother stocking something that didn't move?

The same thing goes for the 19" step-throughs. The 21" were much more common while the 19"s just were not imported and sold as much.

I find plenty of 19" step through frames. Also FWIW the average height of men in the US in the 1970's was about 5'-9"...guess what sized Raleigh they would be riding? ;)

Aaron:)

Amesja 08-21-11 09:25 AM

I find them occasionally too -but they typically sell for $75-$100 more after being restored. I wish I found more of them to fix up. People who are LOOKING to find a really nice Fully-restored but original-paint 19" are competing much more for them than those who are willing/able to settle for a 21". Those that just MUST have a 19" and aren't comfortable on a too-large bike are willing to pay extra. The 19" bikes tend to sell much faster often going within 24-48 hours of my posting even at the higher price while the 21" bikes languish for a week or even two sometimes at lower prices.

This is the Chicago market. My last 19" step-through sold for nearly $400.

DarrenW 08-21-11 02:40 PM

I signed up a while ago but have only just gotten round to having a look through here (Hi!), and I've just sat and read this thread from the start. Some fantastic bikes in here! Here's my 3-Speeder:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5162/...4ac4e542_o.jpg
1980 Raleigh Esquire by retromotoring, on Flickr

It's a 1980 Raleigh Esquire, and that photo was taken on the first day I got it in December 2010 - given to me by a friend who collects old bikes. I've replaced the crumbly tyres with Schwalbe Delta Cruisers, and have added a modern rack for the time being, I'll find something more suitable when time/money allows. I've also had to add a trigger-shift for the SA hub as I just couldn't get the original cable for the grip-shift to work properly.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5106/...e70b626a_o.jpg
1980 Raleigh Esquire by retromotoring, on Flickr

Apart from that it's pretty much as I got it... I've done about 1500 miles on it this year and I absolutely love it! I hadn't ridden a bike for maybe 20 years and I've really got the bug now.

I'm on holiday in Bavaria at the moment (Garmisch-Partenkirchen) and I have brought it with me, it stands out amongst all the modern bikes for sure!

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6065/...c2750464_o.jpg
Cycling around Garmisch-Partenkirchen by retromotoring, on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6197/...1ef8caa7_o.jpg
1980 Raleigh Esquire on the way to Eibsee by retromotoring, on Flickr

Things to do to it include a new saddle (the one that came with it is incorrect and has finally broken although I can manage for the moment), fit a new chain (it looks very slack!) and I think I shall give it a good checking over and clean before the weather starts to get wet(ter) in the coming months.

Hope you like it! :)

sykerocker 08-21-11 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by The Pistol (Post 13101887)
Hey folks, here's a 1966 Dunelt that I picked up for a lady friend. The original paint is a bit rough but not seriously bad. The entire bike will get a good going through with all wear items repaired or replaced. It has a Sturmey-Archer 3 spd hub with coaster brake:thumb:, cottered cranks, Dunlop 26" wheels and the chrome bars are perfect. Just add some tlc plus a basket and a bell and it will be ready for duty.

I'll post more pics when it is done.

Man, it's neat seeing a Dunelt in a color other than blue - which was the only way we got them in the shop when I worked there. Triumph = red, Dunelt = blue.

wahoonc 08-21-11 05:02 PM

@DarrenW,

Welcome and those are awesome pictures, the background would be outstanding with any bike, but with a vintage three speed they are simply gorgeous.

Aaron :)

Bike Cottage 08-21-11 08:10 PM

Thanks noglider and sykerocker. I'd never heard of Dunelt until I spotted this one. It has the "ride a wheel on sheffield steel" emblem on the downtube and the front hub has the Raleigh logo. The front brake is tweaked and the headbadge is missing. Other than that, it will be ready for action with a good cleaning and some tires.

@Darren, I skied in Garmisch-Partenkirchen on the Alpspitze (about 7000 ft) from near the top all the way to the parking lot in the late 80's. Thanks for making me remember a heck of a trip.

DarrenW 08-22-11 02:28 AM

Thanks for the kind words :)

sykerocker 08-22-11 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by The Pistol (Post 13113562)
Thanks noglider and sykerocker. I'd never heard of Dunelt until I spotted this one. It has the "ride a wheel on sheffield steel" emblem on the downtube and the front hub has the Raleigh logo. The front brake is tweaked and the headbadge is missing. Other than that, it will be ready for action with a good cleaning and some tires.

@Darren, I skied in Garmisch-Partenkirchen on the Alpspitze (about 7000 ft) from near the top all the way to the parking lot in the late 80's. Thanks for making me remember a heck of a trip.

Dunelt's (and Triumph's) were considered the 'B-line' bike in the Raleigh portfolio. Back in the early 70's a Raleigh Sports sold for $100.00, a Dunelt or Triumph went for $85.00, and a Japanese copy (Kent) of those bikes sold for $60.00. Raleigh had a habit of buying up competing manufacturers and then using the nameplates on lines of bikes that sold for less than a genuine Raleigh, and had somewhat lesser equipment although they used a lot of Raleigh branded parts.

David Newton 08-22-11 07:53 AM

Anyone up for some up-to-the-minute resource report?
What 26 x 1-3/8" tires are available and who's got them?
Any reviews on the Panaracer ST?


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