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dimini 02-26-24 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 23161035)
Hereís another project in the realm of ďnot your (grand)fatherís Raleigh 3-speedĒ: Frame is a 1971 Raleigh Pro Mark 2, which I recently purchased from @tmnguuyen. Itís quite patina-ed, which suits my sensibilities well. Wheels are alloy 650A/590mm Sun rims, alloy shell AW hub, Panaracer Col de la vie tires. Saddle is a @rhm recovered Brooks B17. Shifter is a modern SunRace model fitted to a single sided Simplex downtube mount (which took some filing). Crankset is a Stronglight 93 with 45t ring.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ee210bbb3.jpeg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...65894a1e7.jpeg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a6de50a81.jpeg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...05f0a1453.jpeg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...deec4520b.jpeg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0ecbdae92.jpeg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5c3efab30.jpeg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...73f2dfc02.jpeg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...46e57c417.jpeg

It felt quite smooth on this morningís test ride. Iíd like to fit it with fenders, but thatíll take some fiddling as clearances are tight at the rear bridges. I might also swap in a set of 700c wheels with an FM rear hub, but Iím awaiting the rims to arrive to build those up.

What a great find and conversion. I was about to mention to you that it could be a Limited Edition, then I scrolled through photos further to see that it's #70. I bought a Mk2 about 5 years ago as part of a junk pile storage unit sale for pennies. It already had a DIY rattle can paint job so I stripped it and had it refinished in black w/gold Raleigh decals as a tribute to my first Raleigh--a 1973 Competition that I bought as a kid. Though I love mine built as a full-campy road bike, I like your idea of making a fabulous 3 speed cruiser out of it. Damn... makes me envious, actually, because I also ride 3 speeds regularly--and it would be great to have one that weighs in at 24 lbs. Right on!

52telecaster 02-26-24 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by dimini (Post 23167915)
What a great find and conversion. I was about to mention to you that it could be a Limited Edition, then I scrolled through photos further to see that it's #70. I bought a Mk2 about 5 years ago as part of a junk pile storage unit sale for pennies. It already had a DIY rattle can paint job so I stripped it and had it refinished in black w/gold Raleigh decals as a tribute to my first Raleigh--a 1973 Competition that I bought as a kid. Though I love mine built as a full-campy road bike, I like your idea of making a fabulous 3 speed cruiser out of it. Damn... makes me envious, actually, because I also ride 3 speeds regularly--and it would be great to have one that weighs in at 24 lbs. Right on!

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...63ea521c37.jpg
Also not your father's three speed. Gitane Tour De France. Was 27 lbs 3 oz. Before the saddle bag and cup holder. I used 650B wheels. This bike eats miles and the AW hub is flawless. The hub is a 1967 model. Frameset is 1971.

Small cog 02-26-24 11:23 AM

This thread is making the world a better place by replacing derailleurs with hub gears one bike at a time, there is a lot of work to be done but if we all pull together.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e920255ca7.jpg

52telecaster 02-26-24 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by Small cog (Post 23167984)
This thread is making the world a better place by replacing derailleurs with hub gears one bike at a time, there is a lot of work to be done but if we all pull together.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e920255ca7.jpg

Gorgeous fenders! Make me want to paint my gitane.

Small cog 02-26-24 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by 52telecaster (Post 23168009)
Gorgeous fenders! Make me want to paint my gitane.

They are the original Bluemels that came on the Carlton Ten.

raleigh76 02-28-24 10:00 AM

What are the correct housing ends/ferrules to use with this style of stops? I've got some generic Jagwire stepped ferrules as you can see but I'm wondering if there is more correct style? The current ones aren't a perfect fit.

On a Canadian Raleigh Sports from 1976.

Thanks!
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fc4b5bd305.jpg

PhilFo 02-28-24 11:42 AM

It's a longer ferrule, with a stepped down bit at the open cable end. I don't have a photo, but they are definitely out there. Certainly one or two rolling around my basement floor...

nlerner 02-28-24 12:13 PM

Perhaps heresy, but if that's brake cable housing, I'd skip the ferrule and just jam the housing in the stop. I don't think it'll work it's way through the opening.

raleigh76 02-28-24 12:26 PM


Originally Posted by PhilFo (Post 23170031)
It's a longer ferrule, with a stepped down bit at the open cable end. I don't have a photo, but they are definitely out there. Certainly one or two rolling around my basement floor...

Like this or something different?
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...17208b241b.jpg

PhilFo 02-28-24 12:31 PM

That'll work.

vintagebicycle 03-06-24 07:45 AM

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...07632472727764

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...570fd9a28a.jpg

Other than the seat it don't look too bad for $50
Royal was a Raleigh built bike sold by Rollfast.

gster 03-06-24 08:11 AM

An Odd Failure.
In the fall, the hub on my best bike locked up while riding. It wasn't even under any real load.
Dated 1961, it's been trouble free and very smooth.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...825bea895b.jpg
I opened it up just now to find this....
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...51ef7ef3fc.jpg
A broken tooth on the driver.
No idea what might have caused this.
I have a spare.

SirMike1983 03-06-24 09:53 AM

The broken or chipped driver tooth is not common but not unheard of either. I've always assumed it came from a combination of a hub where the load was not shared evenly between the teeth and/or where there was some kind of internal defect in that particular tooth. For what it's worth, I've seen more of the old-style straight teeth broken than the later ramped teeth. I guess replace the driver and have at it again. Looks like a nice wheel.

52telecaster 03-06-24 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 23176390)
An Odd Failure.
In the fall, the hub on my best bike locked up while riding. It wasn't even under any real load.
Dated 1961, it's been trouble free and very smooth.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...825bea895b.jpg
I opened it up just now to find this....
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...51ef7ef3fc.jpg
A broken tooth on the driver.
No idea what might have caused this.
I have a spare.

That is pretty rare, it's amazing to me how well these hubs hold up.

gster 03-06-24 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by 52telecaster (Post 23176467)
That is pretty rare, it's amazing to me how well these hubs hold up.

Its back together and I'll install it later today or tomorrow and see how it performs.

browngw 03-06-24 10:17 PM

The folks came and picked up the two 1971 Raleigh Superbes I restored over the winter. They managed a short test ride before leaving and seemed very happy with the bikes. When asked what the bikes might be worth, I hesitantly told them about what they just paid for them ($450) in the right market. I am still surprised that these fine folks, who know so little about the bikes, were so intent on saving them. Bravo to them. They managed to get my name from people attending the Canadian Vintage Bicycle Show, that has found a new home in Burford Ontario.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e31940f2af.jpg

1989Pre 03-07-24 06:24 AM

Browngw, you did a really nice job on these. They didn't want bells, though?

52telecaster 03-07-24 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by browngw (Post 23177118)
The folks came and picked up the two 1971 Raleigh Superbes I restored over the winter. They managed a short test ride before leaving and seemed very happy with the bikes. When asked what the bikes might be worth, I hesitantly told them about what they just paid for them ($450) in the right market. I am still surprised that these fine folks, who know so little about the bikes, were so intent on saving them. Bravo to them. They managed to get my name from people attending the Canadian Vintage Bicycle Show, that has found a new home in Burford Ontario.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e31940f2af.jpg

Those are outstanding.

Cyclespanner 03-07-24 08:20 AM

A 'cycle isn't complete without its Ding-a ling!

Here's me off at a tangent once again....

Has anyone considered a home-build LWB recumbent (utilising an English 3 speed hub/wheel to add a tenditious element to this thread).
Your positive views please.

Iron Horse 03-11-24 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by vintagebicycle (Post 23176371)
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...07632472727764

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...570fd9a28a.jpg

Other than the seat it don't look too bad for $50
Royal was a Raleigh built bike sold by Rollfast.

Glad you posted that. I've had one in the basement for a while, and have not found much about it. Thank you!

browngw 03-11-24 09:23 PM


Originally Posted by 1989Pre (Post 23177264)
Browngw, you did a really nice job on these. They didn't want bells, though?

Thanks. Good catch on the bells. Due to budget constraints, appropriate bells were not an option. Any local bike I work on that I know will be using our trail systems gets a bell or used to, before inflation! To be honest, I didn't think of it I guess. All my own bikes have some sort of ding-a-ling device.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e7ce31427a.jpg

tcs 03-12-24 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by Cyclespanner (Post 23177351)
Has anyone considered a home-build LWB recumbent (utilizing an English 3-speed hub/wheel to add a tendentious element to this thread).
Your positive views please.

Home-built? How about a factory English 3-speed recumbent from the golden age?

Former professional cyclist Freddie Grubb built bikes in the 30s~60s, including the Grubb Kingston recumbent beginning in 1936. This ad specifies SA 3-speed gearing:


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2cddccd49d.jpg

My own picture of the one in the British Museum in London:

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cecd899626.jpg

And an owner out on a ride (I don't know the source of this image - it's not mine - and Google Lens only finds images of the Tower Bridge!)

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...20a632b6ca.png


Hundreds of years of Britain v France! This 1934 Cycling article indicates the British 'horizontal' bicycle was a response to the French Velocar.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d9fe268a75.png

Salubrious 03-12-24 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by Cyclespanner (Post 23177351)
Has anyone considered a home-build LWB recumbent (utilising an English 3 speed hub/wheel to add a tenditious element to this thread).
Your positive views please.

My experience with recumbents is they are a lot harder climbing!

Cyclespanner 03-12-24 12:50 PM

Thanks for the responses, guys.

I was aware of the original 'Velocar' and the Grubb 'Kingston', though I haven't seen the Davison article before.
I assume the example pictured is/was in the London Science Museum, which has eluded my attention on my many visits since 1966.

I imagine the chances of finding an original machine to be zero.
Still, your contribution confirms I am not the first to be as daft as I look!
Any further information would be welcome.

Salubrious, hi.
I once had the pleasure of driving around Minnesota for 3 weeks during the '90's, yet don't recall any significant hills.
Lots of bugs (the State bird) and water.

Salubrious 03-12-24 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by Cyclespanner (Post 23182427)
Salubrious, hi.
I once had the pleasure of driving around Minnesota for 3 weeks during the '90's, yet don't recall any significant hills.
Lots of bugs (the State bird) and water.

I'm in St. Paul where the Mississippi River has cut bluffs about 220 feet high; if you ride in the river bottoms you have to get back up somehow- using one of those hill thingys.

52telecaster 03-12-24 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 23182473)
I'm in St. Paul where the Mississippi River has cut bluffs about 220 feet high; if you ride in the river bottoms you have to get back up somehow- using one of those hill thingys.

Many spots along the Mississippi have serious bluffs with climbs. They aren't long but they are steep!

Cyclespanner 03-12-24 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 23182473)
I'm in St. Paul where the Mississippi River has cut bluffs about 220 feet high; if you ride in the river bottoms you have to get back up somehow- using one of those hill thingys.

If you ride in any river bottom, the first thing you need is a snorkel LOL.

Then you need to thumb a lift on the back of a truck to get back to the top of those hills LOL LOL

Thanks 'S', I get your drift, friend

tcs 03-12-24 05:19 PM


Originally Posted by Cyclespanner (Post 23182427)
I assume the example pictured is/was in the London Science Museum, which has eluded my attention on my many visits since 1966.

Nope. I didn't go to the Science Museum, and the image is two away from the Rosetta Stone. The British Museum. I bet there's one on display @ Llandrindod Wells, too.
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Hmm. Homebuilt, long wheelbase. Hopefully, this forum won't hang me in effigy for offering: Atomic Zombie has plans.

https://www.atomiczombie.com/tourmas...bike-diy-plan/
https://www.atomiczombie.com/wildkat...bike-diy-plan/

tcs 03-12-24 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by Cyclespanner (Post 23182539)
If you ride in any river bottom, the first thing you need is a snorkel LOL.

Not in America. :thumb:

Cyclespanner 03-12-24 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by tcs (Post 23182678)
Nope. I didn't go to the Science Museum, and the image is two away from the Rosetta Stone. The British Museum. I bet there's one on display @ Llandrindod Wells, too.
__________________________

Hmm. Homebuilt, long wheelbase. Hopefully, this forum won't hang me in effigy for offering: Atomic Zombie has plans.

https://www.atomiczombie.com/tourmas...bike-diy-plan/
https://www.atomiczombie.com/wildkat...bike-diy-plan/

Thanks for the links, tcs.

The Roseta Stone hadn't been found the last time I was at the British Museum.
Indeed there is a Grubb at Llandrindod Wells.


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