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Mojo31 11-19-21 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22313517)
Yup. Having been on the other side of the negotiations, I'm not afraid to ask, but I just try to keep my offers reasonable.

Unreasonable never gets anywhere.

I negotiate a lot in my work, as you might imagine, so I'm always looking for the deal. The chase can pump my adrenaline. Years ago I bought a car, and the dealer accepted my first offer, which I thought was rather lowball. I was shocked. My wife says that I never liked that car because I always felt like I left money on the table. She was right, I never liked the car, but it was for other reasons. But, I also felt like I left money on the table.

Routine stuff I don't ask, but on higher price stuff I always do. It pained me to pay full price for bikes last year.

WhyFi 11-19-21 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22313522)
Bike Calculator gives 23.8 mph for a 176# (I thought I remembered you saying that's your weight?) rider putting out 264 watts in the drops, and 25.8 for the same rider on aerobars. So, MAYBE not TOO far out? But, yeah - I think Zwift overestimates, I'm just not sure by how much.

Well, a few things. First, I think that the calculation is a lot of best case/benefit of the doubt. That's not a remarkable amount of power but exceedingly few people IRL would see that kind of result. There's also the climb, which certainly would have brought down the average (I assume this estimate is on the flats?). And the estimate is 1mph slower - at 15mph, gaining 1mph is nothing. At 24mph, gaining 1mph is so, so huge. IMO and IME, 24.9mph, on a road bike, at 264w, is pie-in-the-sky.

Mojo31 11-19-21 01:28 PM

Wow, new DA Di2 kit at Nashbar for "only" $4,300: Shimano Dura-Ace R9250 Di2 Groupset (2 x 12 Speed) (170mm) (50/34T) - Nashbar

Wonder what the Ultegra version will come in at.

Found it - $2,500+. :-(

genejockey 11-19-21 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22313541)
Well, a few things. First, I think that the calculation is a lot of best case/benefit of the doubt. That's not a remarkable amount of power but exceedingly few people IRL would see that kind of result. There's also the climb, which certainly would have brought down the average (I assume this estimate is on the flats?). And the estimate is 1mph slower - at 15mph, gaining 1mph is nothing. At 24mph, gaining 1mph is so, so huge. IMO and IME, 24.9mph, on a road bike, at 264w, is pie-in-the-sky.

Only one way to find out - you gotta get yourself a Canyon Aeroad and a set of Zipp 808s IRL and see what you can do!

WhyFi 11-19-21 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22313554)

And that's saving 39% :roflmao:

Mojo31 11-19-21 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22313560)
And that's saving 39% :roflmao:

It's a deal to be had!

By someone else.

genejockey 11-19-21 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22313564)
It's a deal to be had!

By someone else.

Yeah, gosh. If only it was 175mm cranks and 52/36. That's the only thing holding me back. :rolleyes:

Mojo31 11-19-21 01:46 PM

I've been dreaming of switching the drive train to Di2, and eyeballing the new Domanes with the 12 speed version. The SL7 comes in at $6,500. If I just upgrade my SL5, I'll have essentially the same bike and be all in for the same amount. I like my blue better than the current colors, but I do really like the current bluish color. Tough decision.

Well, slap me down. It's looking like less overall spend to just drop the $2,500 on the upgrade. I was looking at the 2021 pricing.

genejockey 11-19-21 01:46 PM

Mind you, if I were made of money, I'd already have an order in.

Mojo31 11-19-21 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22313575)
Mind you, if I were made of money, I'd already have an order in.

Me too!

It's only a dilemma when the money is not readily available.

big john 11-19-21 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22313498)
Been there, done that, on Mt Hamilton near San Jose. Cold at the bottom so I was wearing multiple layers, which got wet with sweat, and then later with drizzly fog closer to the top, so it was all soaked when I started back down. I think the trick, if it's like that, is to bring an extra set of tights and an extra jacket packed to stay dry, then swap at the top so. It was MISERABLE on the way down!

The guy in the white short sleeve, he wasn't with our group and nobody knew him but he started hanging around once he saw we had support. He should have turned back sooner but when you're climbing slow you stay warm and don't think about later. At least the first time you do it.

One time I stuffed a cheap ski jacket into my large Camelbak. I was totally comfortable on the way down but it sucked having that thing on my back for all the climbing. I started carrying a nylon hooded windbreaker as a fourth layer and everything fits in my back pockets including chemical warmers for my feet. Pcad taught me that one.

WhyFi 11-19-21 02:10 PM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22313574)
I've been dreaming of switching the drive train to Di2, and eyeballing the new Domanes with the 12 speed version. The SL7 comes in at $6,500. If I just upgrade my SL5, I'll have essentially the same bike and be all in for the same amount. I like my blue better than the current colors, but I do really like the current bluish color. Tough decision.

Well, slap me down. It's looking like less overall spend to just drop the $2,500 on the upgrade. I was looking at the 2021 pricing.

Are you factoring in the sell-off of your current groupset with the upgrade route?

For me, getting rid of two exposed cables with the new Ultegra would be nice. Making the jump to electronic shifting would be nice, too. The opportunity cost of upgrade is too rich for my blood, though, at least until the fat bike/MTB bike slot is filled.

phrantic09 11-19-21 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22313522)
Bike Calculator gives 23.8 mph for a 176# (I thought I remembered you saying that's your weight?) rider putting out 264 watts in the drops, and 25.8 for the same rider on aerobars. So, MAYBE not TOO far out? But, yeah - I think Zwift overestimates, I'm just not sure by how much.

It doesn’t seem that far off imo- 265 w/ drafting and super aero seems possible in relatively calm conditions

Mojo31 11-19-21 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22313607)
Are you factoring in the sell-off of your current groupset with the upgrade route?

For me, getting rid of two exposed cables with the new Ultegra would be nice. Making the jump to electronic shifting would be nice, too. The opportunity cost of upgrade is too rich for my blood, though, at least until the fat bike/MTB bike slot is filled.

No, but I don't know how much a 105 rig would fetch.

I was just going off of the following:

2020 Domane SL5 - $3,000 (spent)
Wheelset - $1,300 (spent)
Di2 upgrade - $2,500

2022 Domane SL7 = $6,600
Sell SL5 in original form ($2,000 - $2,500 depending on the state of bike craze)
Keep carbon wheels as second set

I would have to spend more to buy a new bike than I would to upgrade.

I could do the upgrade at some point, but getting wife approval may be somewhat of a challenge. Of course, if I did it I would want to go all in and get those aero bars. I don't know what it would get me on a practical level - I just have this compulsion to have the "cool" stuff.

I don't have any other wants/lusts as far as bikes go. I don't have much use for any other types of bikes beyond what I have, and don't see owning more than one road bike.

phrantic09 11-19-21 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22313554)
Wow, new DA Di2 kit at Nashbar for "only" $4,300: Shimano Dura-Ace R9250 Di2 Groupset (2 x 12 Speed) (170mm) (50/34T) - Nashbar

Wonder what the Ultegra version will come in at.

Found it - $2,500+. :-(

I mean, you can get Rival eTap for like 1600 w/ power…

genejockey 11-19-21 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22313607)
Are you factoring in the sell-off of your current groupset with the upgrade route?

For me, getting rid of two exposed cables with the new Ultegra would be nice. Making the jump to electronic shifting would be nice, too. The opportunity cost of upgrade is too rich for my blood, though, at least until the fat bike/MTB bike slot is filled.

I just keep thinking what ELSE I could buy with $4300. Like a better rig to run Zwift, maybe a Kickr and a Kickr Climb, since it's now indoor riding season. A nice new wheelset for the Ritchey. Assioma power meter pedals. A saddle bag for each bike, instead of constantly moving the same one around. A new helmet. Snacks.

WhyFi 11-19-21 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by phrantic09 (Post 22313621)
It doesn’t seem that far off imo- 265 w/ drafting and super aero seems possible in relatively calm conditions

Y'all are smokin' and/or drinkin' some good stuff! :p

datlas 11-19-21 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22313636)
I just keep thinking what ELSE I could buy with $4300. Like a better rig to run Zwift, maybe a Kickr and a Kickr Climb, since it's now indoor riding season. A nice new wheelset for the Ritchey. Assioma power meter pedals. A saddle bag for each bike, instead of constantly moving the same one around. A new helmet. Snacks.

How about a really nice and fancy coffee/espresso maker?? :innocent:

genejockey 11-19-21 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 22313655)
How about a really nice and fancy coffee/espresso maker?? :innocent:

I dunno. Espresso is doled out in such small aliquots. Give me a big mug of strong, hot coffee with no additions.

Black as night,
Hot as Hell,
Strong as love,
And pure as an angel's kiss.

datlas 11-19-21 03:04 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22313659)
I dunno. Espresso is doled out in such small aliquots. Give me a big mug of strong, hot coffee with no additions.

Black as night,
Hot as Hell,
Strong as love,
And pure as an angel's kiss.

That's fine. We use a cheap French Press which gives fantastic results. That said, if someone dropped a fancy $1000 DeLonghi chromed device in my lap, I would be ok with that too.

big john 11-19-21 03:04 PM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22313554)
Wow, new DA Di2 kit at Nashbar for "only" $4,300: Shimano Dura-Ace R9250 Di2 Groupset (2 x 12 Speed) (170mm) (50/34T) - Nashbar

Wonder what the Ultegra version will come in at.

Found it - $2,500+. :-(


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22313636)
I just keep thinking what ELSE I could buy with $4300. Like a better rig to run Zwift, maybe a Kickr and a Kickr Climb, since it's now indoor riding season. A nice new wheelset for the Ritchey. Assioma power meter pedals. A saddle bag for each bike, instead of constantly moving the same one around. A new helmet. Snacks.


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22313607)
Are you factoring in the sell-off of your current groupset with the upgrade route?

For me, getting rid of two exposed cables with the new Ultegra would be nice. Making the jump to electronic shifting would be nice, too. The opportunity cost of upgrade is too rich for my blood, though, at least until the fat bike/MTB bike slot is filled.

I heard there was no more cable shifting Ultegra or Dura Ace?

genejockey 11-19-21 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 22313660)
That's fine. We use a cheap French Press which gives fantastic results. That said, if someone dropped a fancy $1000 DeLonghi chromed device in my lap, I would be ok with that too.

Does that sort of thing happen to you often?

genejockey 11-19-21 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by big john (Post 22313661)
I heard there was no more cable shifting Ultegra or Dura Ace?

I believe that's true. But you can still get rim brakes.

datlas 11-19-21 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22313664)
Does that sort of thing happen to you often?

Only in my dreams.

datlas 11-19-21 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22313665)
I believe that's true. But you can still get rim brakes.

Yes but NOT wired-less. You have to use current generation Di-2 wired shifters. The wireless only comes in hydraulic disc format.

Sad!


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