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thumpism 08-03-19 06:29 AM

Not English but definitely Sturmey hubbed, I sold several of these and might have assembled this one (my initials would be on that Two Wheel Travel shop sticker). Wildly overpriced, especially for a bike with parts missing or broken, but still a pretty little bike.

https://richmond.craigslist.org/bik/...948022790.html


Vintage Puch - Ladies Pugby Sports Bicycle - $750



bicycle frame material: steel
bicycle type: cruiser
frame size: Womens
wheel size: 24 in

This vintage Puch bicycle is in excellent condition. The bike is equipped with 482 tubing, a skirt/pants guard, a rear basket spring loaded holder. Theres also a Weinmann symmetric built in locking mechanism with key. The bike has 3 gears. The bike also includes a bicycle pump as seen in the pictures, but the pump is broken. The light generator for the front wheel is missing. This bike comes with two saddles that include the old one and a new cloud 9 saddle. It's also equipped with Front and Rear reflectors and comes with an equipped bike stand. THere has been a recent service at the Agees in Midlothian.

Made in Austria

Thanks for looking!

harlond 08-03-19 07:21 AM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 21057838)
Not English but definitely Sturmey hubbed, I sold several of these and might have assembled this one (my initials would be on that Two Wheel Travel shop sticker). Wildly overpriced, especially for a bike with parts missing or broken, but still a pretty little bike.

I remember Two-Wheel Travel. Pretty sure that's where I bought a Peugeot PKN-10e (?) in the late 70s. Which doesn't have a lot to do with the English 3-speeds thread, but the mention of that shop made me think of it.

gna 08-03-19 01:55 PM

Finished the little Raleigh for my co-worker. Have a spare pump for looks but can't seem to find it. Still rough but mechanically sound--new grease and sometimes new ball bearings in the hubs, headset, and bottom bracket, replaced broken spokes and trued wheels, newer tires, tubes, brake pads, spindle, fixed and adjustable cups. Shifter cable, too.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...59927bb0ad.jpg
I have a basket if she wants one and I told her to pick out a better saddle.

BigChief 08-03-19 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by gna (Post 21058303)
Finished the little Raleigh for my co-worker. Have a spare pump for looks but can't seem to find it. Still rough but mechanically sound--new grease and sometimes ball bearings in the hubs, headset, and bottom bracket, replaced broken spokes and trued wheels, newer tires, tubes, brake pads, spindle, fixed and adjustable cups. Shifter cable, too.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...59927bb0ad.jpg
I have a basket if she wants one and I told her to pick out a better saddle.

You really gave this bike the full workover. I always like that sort of work. Very satisfying to roll out the driveway on a freshly rebuilt vintage Raleigh. They can be such an elegant ride when every detail is sorted.

Johno59 08-04-19 12:51 PM

Headset bearing seated in flared front tube frame
 
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f3bc1f9b8a.jpg

That cup is in fact part of the frame. Note the brass clip that rotates over the oil filler hole. I dropped the tiny 2 mm bolt that secured it. Thankfully I managed to find it on the floor. The ball bearings on the bottom are 4mm as opposed to the top set which are 2 mm - hence the oil filler feature.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...58c742f1aa.jpg

1949 Sunbeam has braized in flared top and bottom bearing housings as part of the frame - as opposed to inserts.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a2fa7bdaef.jpg

The bearing race (to the left in the foto )sits in the fairing. Looking more closely the fairings may in fact be swaged rather than braized into the front head tube.

DQRider 08-04-19 06:36 PM

Rode the Clubman to Cannon Falls Today
 
The green tag on the stem is to show that I paid the toll to the troll at the gate. But of course, these are not trolls at all, but wonderful people who make sure folks pay their share to keep up this lovely trail.

I shot many more photos today, which will be sprinkled amongst other threads in C&V, so I won't bore you with those here. It's just so nice to ride out for forty-some miles on a seventy-year-old bicycle.

https://i.imgur.com/jq3Rpbv.png


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jackbombay 08-04-19 09:09 PM


Originally Posted by DQRider (Post 21059878)
It's just so nice to ride out for forty-some miles on a seventy-year-old bicycle.

So good to hear you get out on some longer rides on your awesome Raleigh!

I rode 40 miles on my 1963 hercules on friday as well!

Velognome 08-04-19 09:16 PM


Originally Posted by jackbombay (Post 21060095)
So good to hear you get out on some longer rides on your awesome Raleigh!

I rode 40 miles on my 1963 hercules on friday as well!

This one gets some big miles on occasion

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b05534c136.jpg

jackbombay 08-04-19 09:28 PM


Originally Posted by Velognome (Post 21060110)
This one gets some big miles on occasion

Awesome!

Do you ride in the drops on that primarily? Or do you spend a fair bit of time with your hand on the top of the bars as well?

Velognome 08-05-19 09:30 AM

Both....but truthfully, the brake levers would be better used on the top of the bar but the only time I keep my fingers on them is during long steep descents, others wise the bike is best for slow lazy touring where coasting to a stop is more the norm. It's more a novelty than a serious ride. The folks on their carbon fiber rocket ships don't know what to make if it, it's all part of the fun.

BigChief 08-05-19 10:07 AM

Beautiful day here today. Had a very pleasant ride. For me a longer one at around 10 miles. What a difference a leather Brooks saddle makes. Today it was the B66 on my 51 Rudge. I was very lucky with this one. It is most likely, the original saddle and still in good condition. I didn't have to pay much if anything extra for it. Unfortunately, most of the old ones were replaced over the years and replacing them with a new Brooks is usually more expensive than a vintage roadster in decent shape. I have a few roadsters with modern saddles and none of them come close to the comfort level of the Brooks. I've always been a thrifty person and happy about how inexpensive my roadster hobby has been over the years. But now I'm spoiled.

Johno59 08-06-19 12:14 AM

Suicide levers
 

Originally Posted by Velognome (Post 21060679)
Both....but truthfully, the brake levers would be better used on the top of the bar but the only time I keep my fingers on them is during long steep descents, others wise the bike is best for slow lazy touring where coasting to a stop is more the norm. It's more a novelty than a serious ride. The folks on their carbon fiber rocket ships don't know what to make if it, it's all part of the fun.

"the brake levers would be better used on the top of the bar"
I know they are called 'suicide levers' for a reason but the add-on extensions on many bikes in the 1960s,70s were meant to be used for just chilling around and coming to a slow stop as you suggest. A silver colored inline cyclo-cross lever on the top works well and does not clutter up the bars like the suicide option.

Velognome 08-06-19 09:27 AM

Thanks, but no issue to be be fixed, happy the way they are.

gster 08-07-19 04:37 AM

A Pair of Superbes
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...011fe05f6d.jpg
His and hers, located in Hamilton with an asking price of $500 for the pair.

BigChief 08-07-19 01:05 PM

Once again...These mid 70s Superbes would have come with B66 saddles and they are both gone. These bikes don't seem like they've been left out in the rain or ridden for thousands of miles. For whatever reason, the top of the line price tag doesn't seem reasonable without them.

DQRider 08-07-19 01:10 PM

Raleigh Clubman Ride Report
 
Here is a link to my ride report from last Sunday (lots of pics!).

https://www.bikeforums.net/21064065-post13955.html

I didn't want to double-post...


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clubman 08-07-19 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 21064726)
Once again...These mid 70s Superbes would have come with B66 saddles and they are both gone.

Not in parts of Canada unfortunately. Leather was an option in Toronto. I've flipped at least a dozen or more of these and maybe one had a B66 or a B72. An indication of the stormfront moving in perhaps.

clubman 08-07-19 02:30 PM

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On a brighter note, my 57 Canadian fixed-wheel grew a new gear today. Alloy SR North Road bars, a Duomatic with a 21 tooth cog and a new to me 44 tooth crankset with 140mm arms. Doesn't look right without the webbing but I've ridden to town with it and I'm definitely in the honeymoon stage. The stem puts me out front enough to make the Champion Narrow saddle fit like it should, super comfortable. I can't get the mudguard line nice because the stays are cut short. I'll call it a scorcher even with the Bluemels. There's one real idiosyncratic element of the bike...if someone guesses correctly, I'll award a prize of some sort. (picture of me on my bike etc :eek:)

BigChief 08-07-19 06:08 PM


Originally Posted by DQRider (Post 21064734)
Here is a link to my ride report from last Sunday (lots of pics!).

https://www.bikeforums.net/21064065-post13955.html

I didn't want to double-post...


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Beautiful photos! So fun to see. Cool bike in pretty scenery, love it, really livens up the thread.

CriticalThought 08-07-19 07:08 PM

1953 Raleigh 24L Superbe Sports Tourist
 
Taken along the Platte River in Denver today. Had been a while since I rode this bike. Despite being incredibly hot out, I found myself cool and relaxed riding this old Raleigh 4 Speed. Something about it just makes me want to slow down, relax, and enjoy the ride... fantastic bike (and the bottom 4th speed didn't hurt either as she's no lightweight on the hills home!). Love this old Raleigh. Funny how much I can enjoy a bike like this and at the same time love riding my modern carbon bike. Both fantastic in their own ways and each makes me appreciate the other!

Initial 1953 Raleigh 24L Superbe Tourist 4 Speed Thread

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...43630d5293.png

DQRider 08-07-19 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 21064851)
<snip> There's one real idiosyncratic element of the bike...if someone guesses correctly, I'll award a prize of some sort. (picture of me on my bike etc :eek:)

I'm looking for a rear brake, and I don't see one. Is that it? Please don't make good on your threat! :D

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DQRider 08-07-19 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 21065130)
Beautiful photos! So fun to see. Cool bike in pretty scenery, love it, really livens up the thread.

Gracious as always, @BigChief. Thank you, sir! I would love to see more ride reports on this thread; the theme certainly would accommodate them.

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clubman 08-07-19 07:48 PM


Originally Posted by DQRider (Post 21065240)
I'm looking for a rear brake, and I don't see one. Is that it? Please don't make good on your threat! :D

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Duomatics have really decent coaster brakes. The Universal front is firm as well, I feel safe.

New prize! Original 'clubman' steel pedals from the '57 for shipping. I need the gauche platforms because my right knee turns out and can't fit the quill style any longer.

Solve the mystery. Not easy but a good guess goes round a long way.

jackbombay 08-07-19 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by CriticalThought (Post 21065209)
Funny how much I can enjoy a bike like this and at the same time love riding my modern carbon bike. Both fantastic in their own ways and each makes me appreciate the other!

Yes!

I have 3 bikes that I regularly spend time on, and of the 3 the carbon road bike gets the least time/miles, I quite like it when I do get on it, but my 3 speed makes me smile just as much!

bwilli88 08-07-19 08:35 PM

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a78923ff07.jpg
Road is mis-stamped on the bars

gster 08-08-19 04:48 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 21064726)
Once again...These mid 70s Superbes would have come with B66 saddles and they are both gone. These bikes don't seem like they've been left out in the rain or ridden for thousands of miles. For whatever reason, the top of the line price tag doesn't seem reasonable without them.

I think Clubman is correct re the saddles in Canada.
Both of my Superbes came with a vinyl saddle.
I did pick up a nice brooks B33 at the bike show last week,
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5c75d89b28.jpg
One of the vendors is a Pashley dealer and his customers often
don't want this saddle and swap them out on purchase.

gster 08-08-19 05:21 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 21064851)
On a brighter note, my 57 Canadian fixed-wheel grew a new gear today. Alloy SR North Road bars, a Duomatic with a 21 tooth cog and a new to me 44 tooth crankset with 140mm arms. Doesn't look right without the webbing but I've ridden to town with it and I'm definitely in the honeymoon stage. The stem puts me out front enough to make the Champion Narrow saddle fit like it should, super comfortable. I can't get the mudguard line nice because the stays are cut short. I'll call it a scorcher even with the Bluemels. There's one real idiosyncratic element of the bike...if someone guesses correctly, I'll award a prize of some sort. (picture of me on my bike etc :eek:)

Sweet ride.
I've got a Glider with the same set up.
Duomatic/coaster on the back and single caliper up front.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...52fc94df96.jpg
The bars are currently uprights.
Yes, you can lock up the rear wheel and "lay a patch" as
we used to say.

gster 08-08-19 05:32 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21065618)
Sweet ride.
I've got a Glider with the same set up.
Duomatic/coaster on the back and single caliper up front.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...52fc94df96.jpg
The bars are currently uprights.
Yes, you can lock up the rear wheel and "lay a patch" as
we used to say.

Here in Canada we had a special CCM Centenial Duomatic bike in 1967.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2df3e7b874.jpg
I've only seen them in this copper colour.
My understanding is that the hubs are great but the axle nuts
can fail and are hard to replace.

clubman 08-08-19 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by gster (Post 21065626)
I've only seen them in this copper colour.
My understanding is that the hubs are great but the axle nuts
can fail and are hard to replace.

All 3 of my Duomatics were harvested from clapped out CCM Centennials or the kids chopper-style model aptly named Duomatic. The junior bike had 28 spoke hubs, larger had 36. The hub axles are 10 mm diameter with a metric thread and are really hard to find, although I was able to source a pair from a guy who may or may not have more.



Originally Posted by bwilli88 (Post 21065314)
Road is mis-stamped on the bars

Bad picture. I wish I could find more of these.

browngw 08-08-19 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21065591)
I think Clubman is correct re the saddles in Canada.
Both of my Superbes came with a vinyl saddle.
I did pick up a nice brooks B33 at the bike show last week,
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5c75d89b28.jpg
One of the vendors is a Pashley dealer and his customers often
don't want this saddle and swap them out on purchase.

Another Canadian opinion on Brooks https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8f9c5dde38.jpg

As removed from 1979 DL1. Replaced with an 90s NOS B66.
saddles. Never have seen any 60s or 70s Raleighs with B66 and almost always with the black vinyl mattress style. The only exception were the B66 on the 79 DL1 and a Wrights leather saddle on a made in England Supercycle.


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