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auchencrow 09-18-11 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by Toeslider (Post 13244144)
Just made a thread with one I acquired this weekend, then saw this thread. If anyone knows the year I would appreciate it! AMF? Hercules ladies 3-speed.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=219311

Hi Toeslider -
Just look for the 2-place date code on the Sturmey Archer hub. Chances are it's original, and it will pinpoint the date for you.

wahoonc 09-18-11 06:08 PM


Originally Posted by ThermionicScott (Post 13244070)
Thanks, guys! Even though there is a lot more wear than my crummy iPhone picture shows, this thing has gotten compliments wherever I go. :)

The saddle is a Wrights, and I'm sure it's original. There's nothing wrong with it, but I don't like the way the edges feel, so I'd like to upgrade. Let's see -- B17 or B72? Hmmm. ;)

I've tried tightening down the bolt on the front caliper, but I started worrying about bending something with the effort I was putting into it. I just took it on another test ride around the neighborhood. It's been drizzling a little, so it was the perfect chance to test out the wet-weather braking. The fronts seem to rock and "pulse" a little less, but it could also be that I was using a firmer grip to re-dry those rims. ;) The rears were nearly useless -- I'm changing my order to include a set of Kool-Stops for the rear as well! I'll be losing those cool stay braces though. Has anyone tried fabricating limit stops that can be bolted into the arms? Looks like there's plenty of room.

- Scott

To tighten up the brake you need a wrench and a large screwdriver for that front screw. I will have to do the process again to be able do describe it properly.

Aaron :)

Schwinnsta 09-18-11 06:08 PM

My handlebars on my Sports started to rotate while I was out riding. When I got home I tightened the stem clamp but they still rotated so under pressure so I tightened some more and stripped the stem bolt. For the time being, I added three washers above the nut so that nut would be on thread. It still rotates under normal force of riding. I have a feeling the problem is with the handlebar serrations or lack their of, but the handlebars are otherwise in great shape, with good chrome. I am purchasing another Raleigh bolt (with the stem, from eBay). I would rather not have to purchase another handlebar too.

Any ideas? Should I try Loctite?

ThermionicScott 09-18-11 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by wahoonc (Post 13244627)
To tighten up the brake you need a wrench and a large screwdriver for that front screw. I will have to do the process again to be able do describe it properly.

Aaron :)

Yeah, I used a thicker-than usual screwdriver in front, and a 7/16" wrench on the nut (might not be original). Rest assured, I'm not just spinning the bolt around. ;)

- Scott

auchencrow 09-18-11 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by Schwinnsta (Post 13244631)
My handlebars on my Sports started to rotate while I was out riding. When I got home I tightened the stem clamp but they still rotated so under pressure so I tightened some more and stripped the stem bolt. For the time being, I added three washers above the nut so that nut would be on thread. It still rotates under normal force of riding. I have a feeling the problem is with the handlebar serrations or lack their of, but the handlebars are otherwise in great shape, with good chrome. I am purchasing another Raleigh bolt (with the stem, from eBay). I would rather not have to purchase another handlebar too.

Any ideas? Should I try Loctite?

Assuming all parts are original, I suspect the cause for the handlebars rotating is that the bolt was initially under-torqued - and then subsequently over-torqued.

- Apart from threads being stripped, it is also possible that the little anti-rotation nib under the head of the bolt has been compromised, such that you cannot attain adequate clamping load before it begins to rotate.

- Of course w/o physically inspecting the parts, I am speculating, but I am confident that the new stem & bolt will be sufficient to obviate the problem, provided it is manufactured to Raleigh's original specs.

Sixty Fiver 09-18-11 08:06 PM

Went for a nice pootle on the 20 this afternoon... pace was easy and the sun was bright and warm... a simply beautiful fall day.

Stopped off and picked up a little hardware to turn an old generator headlamp into an LED marker light and this turned out really well... those modern lights just do not look right on a 40 year old 3 speed.

jrecoi 09-18-11 08:07 PM

Bobbin Bicycles recently showed off at Interbike its version of the Raleigh Shopper, the non-folding version of the Raleigh Twenty. It comes stock with V-brakes and Sturmey Archer gear. From the photographs, the fenders are a tad wonky but overall it seems like a very faithful revival/reproduction of the Shopper. Its priced around 550 USD. Most importantly it comes in British Green.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lovely_...n/photostream/

Sixty Fiver 09-18-11 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by jrecoi (Post 13245139)
Bobbin Bicycles recently showed off at Interbike its version of the Raleigh Shopper, the non-folding version of the Raleigh Twenty. It comes stock with V-brakes and Sturmey Archer gear. From the photographs, the fenders are a tad wonky but overall it seems like a very faithful revival/reproduction of the Shopper. Its priced around 550 USD. Most importantly it comes in British Green.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lovely_...n/photostream/

Nice... considering that refitting a 20 with V brakes and better rims is not an inexpensive job.

$120.00 to rebuild the wheels with high quality rims, $80.00 for the brazing, and then you have to refinish the frame... but then you will still have a genuine R20 and not a reproduction.

Sixty Fiver 09-18-11 08:35 PM

2 Attachment(s)
A few pictures...

Temp was about 15C so a little wool was nice...

http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...1&d=1316399533

A thermos of hot tea for those inevitable stops along the way... now that the front light is rocking an LED I can ditch the front knog and will do the same for the rear with an orphan rear housing.

http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...0&d=1316399510

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=219331

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=219330

Schwinnsta 09-18-11 08:40 PM


Originally Posted by auchencrow (Post 13245074)
- Apart from threads being stripped, it is also possible that the little anti-rotation nib under the head of the bolt has been compromised, such that you cannot attain adequate clamping load before it begins to rotate.

Thanks for the reply,

I think your first assumption is correct but the one quoted above is not. First if it were I would not have been able to torque the bolt enough to strip the threads. The bolt would have spun. The little nub is fine. I will check the stem against the new (to me) one. As far I can tell only the handlebar has serrations and the stem clamp does not.

-roger

jrecoi 09-18-11 10:47 PM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 13245135)
Went for a nice pootle on the 20 this afternoon... pace was easy and the sun was bright and warm... a simply beautiful fall day.

Stopped off and picked up a little hardware to turn an old generator headlamp into an LED marker light and this turned out really well... those modern lights just do not look right on a 40 year old 3 speed.

Are you going to do a step by step on the conversion? I'm thinking of changing an Indian Miller dynamo light set to LED.

Schwinnsta 09-19-11 05:52 PM

Tony Hadland has written a new book that appears to be a "complete history of Raleigh". Available here for pre-order here
http://www.amazon.com/Raleigh-Iconic...6475895&sr=8-1 but for 20% less here
http://www.buy.com/prod/raleigh/221182037.html but still pricey. Release date is 10/15/11.

gomango 09-19-11 06:12 PM

Had a great time at the "All British" bike event this weekend in New Brighton.

http://www.abcetour.com/

I was able to meet our very own John Thompson, and he brought along a beauty of a Viscount.

My memory is a little fuzzy, but I believe he came in first place in the "pastry joust" competition!

Great storytelling, food, people to meet, and of course, the amazing bicycles.

Here's a photo of our bikes at the event.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6179/...2712ce70_o.jpg

Sixty Fiver 09-19-11 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by jrecoi (Post 13245688)
Are you going to do a step by step on the conversion? I'm thinking of changing an Indian Miller dynamo light set to LED.

If you want a front LED to provide enough light the conversion requires a little more work than fitting an off the peg high intensity blinking into the old light.

My friend does these conversions and will have to record his procedure for doing this.

In other news, I heard that there will soon be LED bulbs produced that will replace the thread in 6v bulbs used in many older dynamo lights and that conversion will be as simple as screwing in the new bulb which will have all the required circuitry.

Italuminium 09-19-11 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by gomango (Post 13249689)
Had a great time at the "All British" bike event this weekend in New Brighton.

Nice event, were there any brave fools on Moultons?

markk900 09-19-11 06:17 PM

65er: love the photos - looks like weather out west is the same as here in central Canada!

Mark

gomango 09-19-11 06:18 PM


Originally Posted by Italuminium (Post 13249699)
Nice event, were there any brave fools on Moultons?

Several actually!

All beauties, for sure.

In fact, a buddy of mine asked about the availability of one of them, and was promptly denied. :)

brianinc-ville 09-19-11 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 13249693)

My friend does these conversions and will have to record his procedure for doing this.

In other news, I heard that there will soon be LED bulbs produced that will replace the thread in 6v bulbs used in many older dynamo lights and that conversion will be as simple as screwing in the new bulb which will have all the required circuitry.

Do tell! You mean, a screw-in headlight bulb with the standlight circuit included, like this one for the rear light? Man, I'd buy that in a minute.

And if you can get your friend to share his secrets, do send 'em on!

Sixty Fiver 09-19-11 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by markk900 (Post 13249711)
65er: love the photos - looks like weather out west is the same as here in central Canada!

Mark

Thanks... weather has been glorious and is supposed to get up to 28c later in the week.

On another note... this thread just hit 100 pages !

JohnDThompson 09-20-11 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by Italuminium (Post 13249699)
Nice event, were there any brave fools on Moultons?

Yes, several, actually. One of them (truss frame) won the "Best English Custom" award.

Sixty Fiver 09-20-11 12:58 PM

Was talking with the wife and her parents do not live that far from where the three speed tour happens so we may have to schedule a visit so we can participate in the tour as part of our vacation.

John... will look forward to meeting you as when people tell me I know a lot of stuff I mention that you know more than most people I have ever run into.

JohnDThompson 09-21-11 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 13253387)
Was talking with the wife and her parents do not live that far from where the three speed tour happens so we may have to schedule a visit so we can participate in the tour as part of our vacation.

John... will look forward to meeting you as when people tell me I know a lot of stuff I mention that you know more than most people I have ever run into.

If you can make it to Lake Pepin, you will not regret it. We had several riders from Winnipeg last year, and a couple of them came to ABCE last week as well, so you won't be the only Canadians...

Schwinnsta 09-21-11 07:57 PM

I thought I would bring my handlebar rotation findings to a conclusion. The new stem came. The old stem clamp had smooth shoulders at the clamp ends that sat proud of the inner part which was indented and not machined. The new clamp is serrated and the same diameter all the way through. I did strip the top of the old clamp at least as well as the thread. I had to use a vice grip to prevent it from spinning. Where the handlebar attaches to the clamp, the handlebar is smooth just chrome. I roughed both pieces a little bit and cleaned the mating surfaces with acetone so there would be no oil or wax. .

The design of the old clamp with its smooth shoulders maybe 3/16" at each end for the mating surfaces is clearly problematic. Yet both clamps are marked with the Raleigh figure and are the same size.

Hopefully this the end of the problem.

graywolf 09-22-11 06:20 PM

A bit of shim stock should do the trip if the new bolt doesn't quite fix it.

cfh21b 09-23-11 11:33 AM

Greetings and My 3 Speed
 
Hi all! I've been consuming this thread (and others) and sites like lovelybicycle with utter fascination and envy for a while now. As luck would have it I found my foray into your world the other day in a '59 Raleigh Sports. It's in fairly great shape and rides well, but needs a very good clean up and some other general TLC.

These photos show it's current state and I'll begin cleaning it shortly. I've had roadbikes for much of my cycling life but now this is my only ride. I plan on making it into a gentlemanly commuter bike and all around town machine. As for what I'll do with it, I love the aesthetic genius of lovelybicycle so that's the way I'm headed.

(I hope the inline photos show up - I'm behind my firewall at work and cannot actually view them myself. I might have botched up the urls. I'll fix if so. The link to the set will work, however.)
-Craig

Comments and suggestions are welcome! You can see the entire first set at http://www.flickr.com/photos/craigha...7627728115468/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/craighatfield/6172691270/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/craighatfield/6172691992/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/craighatfield/6172161733/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/craighatfield/6172690854/

ThermionicScott 09-23-11 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by cfh21b (Post 13268315)
Hi all! I've been consuming this thread (and others) and sites like lovelybicycle with utter fascination and envy for a while now. As luck would have it I found my foray into your world the other day in a '59 Raleigh Sports. It's in fairly great shape and rides well, but needs a very good clean up and some other general TLC.

These photos show it's current state and I'll begin cleaning it shortly. I've had roadbikes for much of my cycling life but now this is my only ride. I plan on making it into a gentlemanly commuter bike and all around town machine. As for what I'll do with it, I love the aesthetic genius of lovelybicycle so that's the way I'm headed.

(I hope the inline photos show up - I'm behind my firewall at work and cannot actually view them myself. I might have botched up the urls. I'll fix if so. The link to the set will work, however.)
-Craig

Comments and suggestions are welcome! You can see the entire first set at http://www.flickr.com/photos/craigha...7627728115468/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/craighatfield/6172691270/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/craighatfield/6172691992/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/craighatfield/6172161733/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/craighatfield/6172690854/

Hmm, looks like you put the flickr address, but not a direct link to the image files, inside of [IMG] tags. Did you set some kind of privacy or protection settings for these? Much easier to do this in Photobucket. :p

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6163/...b0f2e6_o_d.jpg
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6157/...11e080_o_d.jpg
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6175/...7c3d63_o_d.jpg
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6153/...0e7629_o_d.jpg

Also, that's a looker! :)

- Scott

cfh21b 09-23-11 02:56 PM

Thanks for correcting that Scott. There's no security, but you do need to link directly to the jpg (and size usually) that you want to embed. I've done it many times, but switching between my phone (not behind the firewall) and my laptop that is, it was a pain. haha.

And thanks!
Craig

photogravity 09-23-11 03:19 PM

Craig, welcome aboard and WOW! I'm not sure what to say, other than really nice score!

noglider 09-23-11 03:31 PM

Yes, very nice bike. The light mounting bracket is upside down.

Enjoy working on this bike. I sure enjoy working on 3-speeds of this era.

ThermionicScott 09-23-11 06:34 PM

Just tried out a set of Kool Stop Continentals on the front of my Armstrong. I didn't have any "Oh ****, I'm gonna flip over!" moments like on the Bianchi, but I was impressed by how well the pads gripped the wheels, even on steep downhills. I imagine it'll be even better once the pads wear to conform to the rim surfaces, rather than contacting them with an edge. :)

Now, the dilemma: Should I paint/Magic Marker the visible sides of the pads so they look more vintage, or just let the salmon color hang out there? ;)

- Scott


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