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auchencrow 02-08-13 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 15250078)
Do we get a point even though it has 7 speeds ?

http://www.ravingbikefiend.com/bikep...3moultonF7.JPG

Definitely get a point for that one, Sixty! That's really pretty rad.
Is that your goin' fishin' bike?

Sixty Fiver 02-08-13 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by auchencrow (Post 15252225)
Definitely get a point for that one, Sixty! That's really pretty rad.
Is that your goin' fishin' bike?

It should be a nice bike for that 100 mile ride to the fishing hole.

steve tdi 02-08-13 10:32 PM

More info over at Society of Three Speeds.

And the poster I whipped up for it:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8051/8...375ca69a_n.jpg
larger image here.[/QUOTE]


Nice artwork on the poster. I also like your website.



Well, for all you 3 speedsters that are in and around SE Michigan I have a website developed to serve as an info hub for my rides. The first one is April 21st. I may do more if there is interest. More info at www.scr3sptour.weebly.com. It's not 100% complete but it's a start.

PalmettoUpstate 02-10-13 04:58 PM

Hi Tom, pics of the '67 Hercules to follow...

PalmettoUpstate 02-10-13 05:39 PM

SUMMER of LOVE & MEET THE BEATLES...
 
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Here we have an extremely nice all-original Gold & Chrome Hercules from the "SUMMER of LOVE" - 1967.

When I bought it I also bought a basket case Raleigh-Nottingham-built Western Auto from the year that the BEATLES invaded the USA in earnest - 1964 - hence "MEET THE BEATLES" from their iconic 1964 album of that name.

There are some really interesting things about these bikes that are worth discussing on this, the best of the English 3-speed threads.

Other pics to follow; with notes and questions about the build parts differences and similarities...

BTW, I have one pic showing the two bikes side-by-side, a nice picture it is too, but it is 2.2MB and the BF format will not accept anything larger than 2.0MB. Anyone able to recommend any free and user-friendly photo-editing software either online or downloadable?

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=298610http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=298611http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=298615

PalmettoUpstate 02-10-13 05:52 PM

Raleigh-built in Nottingham, England
 
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FIRST PIC
Sorry that this one is out of focus; a decal on the seat tube; commonly seen on Raleigh-built machines that are NOT Raleighs.

SECOND PIC
The Wrights saddle on the beater bike was made in Poland.

THIRD PIC
The Persons saddle on the Hercules was made in the USA.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=298620http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=298621http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=298619

PalmettoUpstate 02-10-13 06:07 PM

ON CHAINGUARDS, --good, better, best...
 
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The Hercules chainguard is, to me, a thing of beauty - with its "Tron-like" trapezoidal shape and in chrome.

Like the Western Auto bike, and unlike a true Raleigh, with their two braised-on front tabs on the frame, the Herc's guard is affixed at two points only, as opposed to the true Raleigh's three. The shape of the WA's guard is pretty much the same as a Raleigh's from that time.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=298624

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=298625

PalmettoUpstate 02-10-13 06:17 PM

THE ALL-PURPOSE CHAINRING

Notice that the chainring is the same in the two pics above. This seems to be the all-purpose chainring produced by Raleigh Industries.

auchencrow 02-10-13 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by PalmettoUpstate (Post 15258555)
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BTW, I have one pic showing the two bikes side-by-side, a nice picture it is too, but it is 2.2MB and the BF format will not accept anything larger than 2.0MB. Anyone able to recommend any free and user-friendly photo-editing software either online or downloadable?


Irfanview

PalmettoUpstate 02-10-13 06:31 PM

When did xpt give way to pletscher as the oem raleigh kickstand?
 
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We own a number of 70's Raleigh Sports bicycles now and they all seem to have come with the oft-imitated, never excelled Swiss PLETSCHER single-leg kickstand.

The two bikes here, Hercules and Western Auto, came OEM with two variations of a kickstand made by a firm that called had XPT cast into the cast aluminum receiver. The leg on the Hercules is adjustable, that on the Western Auto is not, otherwise they appear to be exactly the same.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=298631 http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=298632 http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=298633

PalmettoUpstate 02-10-13 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by auchencrow (Post 15258706)

Gracias.

We've had our houseplants outside [no lower than 33 F nights] since the 5th of this month. I understand y'all have not fared as clemently.

http://greenvillerec.com/swamprabbit

PalmettoUpstate 02-10-13 06:59 PM

What is this and why is it important?
 
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Well, everyone can see the pic.

This little thingy clamped to the frame is a part from a Raleigh-built-in-Nottingham Western Auto bicycle from 1964.

The little thingy clamped to the frame is made of metal.

Later, these parts became to be made by Raleigh of plastic instead of metal. Mistake.

Question for ye graybeards in 3-speed lore out there....

What was/were the year[s] that Raleigh switched to plastic?

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=298645

Howard 02-10-13 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by PalmettoUpstate (Post 15258668)
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The Hercules chainguard is, to me, a thing of beauty - with its "Tron-like" trapezoidal shape and in chrome.
...

Looks nice, but mine often catches on the cuff of my trousers ... I guess I have mixed feelings about it.
Also, the chainring on my '66 Hercules is different to that.

Put about 30 miles on it this weekend :-)

PalmettoUpstate 02-10-13 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by Howard (Post 15258930)
Looks nice, but mine often catches on the cuff of my trousers ... I guess I have mixed feelings about it.
Also, the chainring on my '66 Hercules is different to that.

I hadn't thought about that but I can see where it could... Thanks!

BTW, do you have a pic of the guard on your '66?

PalmettoUpstate 02-10-13 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by PalmettoUpstate (Post 15258752)
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The leg on the Hercules is adjustable,

Oops, I meant to put a pic of the "adjustable" part. Here it is:

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=298659

elcraft 02-10-13 10:12 PM


Originally Posted by PalmettoUpstate (Post 15258843)
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Well, everyone can see the pic.

This little thingy clamped to the frame is a part from a Raleigh-built-in-Nottingham Western Auto bicycle from 1964.

The little thingy clamped to the frame is made of metal.

Later, these parts became to be made by Raleigh of plastic instead of metal. Mistake.

Question for ye graybeards in 3-speed lore out there....

What was/were the year[s] that Raleigh switched to plastic?

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=298645

In Sturmey Archer parlance, this is a "Fulcrum clamp". It is a two part (not counting the clamping nut and bolt) cable stop for the three speed cable the cable housing from the shifter would end here and the cable would continue on to a small grey plastic pulley wheel clamped at the bottom of the seat tube. The cable then went to the "indicator spindle" which actually shifted the hub. All of these parts are still available, if anything is missing. Some of the Raleigh-made clones (with other branding , like Hercules,etc.) would have a complete cable housing run all the way from the shifter down to a cable stop, clamped on the chain stay. If you are in a harsh weather environment, the full cable housing method was better, otherwise the little pulley system seemed to be better. The plastic was introduced around '68 0r '69 on the clones, I think.

wahoonc 02-11-13 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by PalmettoUpstate (Post 15258843)
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Well, everyone can see the pic.

This little thingy clamped to the frame is a part from a Raleigh-built-in-Nottingham Western Auto bicycle from 1964.

The little thingy clamped to the frame is made of metal.

Later, these parts became to be made by Raleigh of plastic instead of metal. Mistake.

Question for ye graybeards in 3-speed lore out there....

What was/were the year[s] that Raleigh switched to plastic?

Both the pulley and the fulcrum sleeve were both steel prior to about 1963, around 1964 the pulleys became plastic the fulcrum sleeve followed by about 1965/66. FWIW I convert all of my bikes back to the steel for longevity and reduced maintenance.

Aaron :)

w1gfh 02-11-13 11:30 AM

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Finally found the headlamp of my dreams, a 1960's Elite. Now hunting for a 3V LED bulb with an E10 screw-type base to replace the relatively dim tungsten bulb. (Never satisfied!)
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=298759

clasher 02-11-13 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by w1gfh (Post 15261074)
Finally found the headlamp of my dreams, a 1960's Elite. Now hunting for a 3V LED bulb with an E10 screw-type base to replace the relatively dim tungsten bulb. (Never satisfied!)
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=298759

There are some cheap but bright ones on ebay and they work, but no standlight like the gentleman cyclist ones.

PalmettoUpstate 02-11-13 12:01 PM

Thanks, I'll have a bit more on this later. See my note to Aaron below; tx.

PalmettoUpstate 02-11-13 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by wahoonc (Post 15260037)
Both the pulley and the fulcrum sleeve were both steel prior to about 1963, around 1964 the pulleys became plastic the fulcrum sleeve followed by about 1965/66. FWIW I convert all of my bikes back to the steel for longevity and reduced maintenance.

Aaron :)

I had noted your advice earlier in the thread and am doing the same. The metal fulcrum sleeve from the Western Auto bike will be going on my wife's practically perfect Raleigh Sports.

Speaking of GC [Gentleman Cyclist] just wanted to put in a plug for them here. Reproduction and VHQ fulcrum sleeves, pulley wheels, brass Schrader valve caps and more... http://www.home.earthlink.net/~stein...erchandise.htm

biglee67 02-11-13 12:26 PM

'67 Raleigh Sprite 5-spd
 
Hubby bought a women's '67 Raleigh Sprite 5-spd at an auction this wknd for $10. It's in pretty rough shape as it appears to have been left outside for about 10 yrs! The tires are shot and the chain is pretty rusty, as are the fenders and chain guard. It is complete, tho'.

My thought was to try to clean it up as best as I can to see if everything is operable.

Are there any thoughts/comments out there about how functional or reliable the 5-spd is, before I get into doing alot of work on it. I now have a Sport 3-sp that I've refubished, but thought a 5 spd was interesting.

ecsjr 02-11-13 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by biglee67 (Post 15261342)
Hubby bought a women's '67 Raleigh Sprite 5-spd at an auction this wknd for $10. It's in pretty rough shape as it appears to have been left outside for about 10 yrs! The tires are shot and the chain is pretty rusty, as are the fenders and chain guard. It is complete, tho'.

My thought was to try to clean it up as best as I can to see if everything is operable.

Are there any thoughts/comments out there about how functional or reliable the 5-spd is, before I get into doing alot of work on it. I now have a Sport 3-sp that I've refubished, but thought a 5 spd was interesting.

The early Sprites are great. I have a pair from 1967. I don't really use the left side shifter much, ride it like a 3-speed. I think $10 is a steal, just for parts.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=298774

PalmettoUpstate 02-11-13 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by biglee67 (Post 15261342)
Hubby bought a women's '67 Raleigh Sprite 5-spd at an auction this wknd for $10. It's in pretty rough shape as it appears to have been left outside for about 10 yrs! The tires are shot and the chain is pretty rusty, as are the fenders and chain guard. It is complete, tho'.

My thought was to try to clean it up as best as I can to see if everything is operable.

Are there any thoughts/comments out there about how functional or reliable the 5-spd is, before I get into doing alot of work on it. I now have a Sport 3-sp that I've refubished, but thought a 5 spd was interesting.

http://greenville.craigslist.org/bid/3575218212.html

This one's a basket case but it does have a basket.

The guy that has it isn't from around here. If he's here in 2 more years I'd be surprised.

Quality and honesty sells. Scams & scammers don't.

gna 02-12-13 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by biglee67 (Post 15261342)
Hubby bought a women's '67 Raleigh Sprite 5-spd at an auction this wknd for $10. It's in pretty rough shape as it appears to have been left outside for about 10 yrs! The tires are shot and the chain is pretty rusty, as are the fenders and chain guard. It is complete, tho'.

My thought was to try to clean it up as best as I can to see if everything is operable.

Are there any thoughts/comments out there about how functional or reliable the 5-spd is, before I get into doing alot of work on it. I now have a Sport 3-sp that I've refubished, but thought a 5 spd was interesting.


The S5 hub on the Sprites is very nice. Worth the price of admission alone. Even if everything else is shot, S5 innards will fit in an AW shell, so you could upgrade your current bike if you can't bring back the other bike or salvage the rear wheel.


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