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brianinc-ville 04-17-16 08:21 PM


Originally Posted by DQRider (Post 18697986)
That's a very competent looking commuter. Although it obviously isn't an English 3-speed, it certainly functions like a modern version of one. Thanks for breaking down the budget on this - it really helps those of us trying to upgrade older 3-speeds or build a modern version with higher-end vintage components. If you don't mind, what does the S-A 5-speed give you over the ubiquitous AW? Is it lower on the low end, higher on the high end, or does it fill the holes in the middle?

Thanks -- it's doing what it needs to do, every day, in all weather. Honestly, I only bought the five-speed ( X-RF5(w) ) because I spotted a good deal on eBay -- I'd been planning to go with an AW, originally. The difference isn't huge. As I've got it set up now (44x19), I don't use the top gear much. Downhills and tailwinds only. The difference between first and second gear is pretty small -- so you're basically left with something similar to an AW, plus a rarely-used heroic overdrive. If I lived in a place with bigger hills I'd probably appreciate it, but here in the flatlands an AW does just fine, and it's a lot less finicky than the X-RF5(w).

Do not anger the British Cycling Enthusiasts. They're likely to hand you over to the Spanish Inquisition. :)

NormanF 04-17-16 08:25 PM

DQRider could buy a brand-new Diamondback ST-8, swap out the bars for North Road bars, throw on some some fenders and add a chainguard and have a nice Shimano Nexus IGH bike for not too much money.

I agree British Cycling Enthusiasts are not likely to look favorably on modern Sports wannabes. They have their limits. :eek:

BigChief 04-18-16 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by gna (Post 18698207)
As far as I know, they're all 20-30 Hi-Ten.

It's hard to say because the name 20-30 is a Raleigh name and not any steel industry standard that I know of. Early on, not sure of the year, Raleigh changed it's tubing name from 18-23 to 20-30. So, it was an upgrade of some sort. I'm assuming that 20-30 is lighter and stronger than the earlier Raleighs made from 18-23

DQRider 04-18-16 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by NormanF (Post 18698297)
DQRider could buy a brand-new Diamondback ST-8, swap out the bars for North Road bars, throw on some some fenders and add a chainguard and have a nice Shimano Nexus IGH bike for not too much money.

I agree British Cycling Enthusiasts are not likely to look favorably on modern Sports wannabes. They have their limits. :eek:

(Apologies up front for any off-topic content here, but I'm trying to make a point. Please bear with me...)

You mean something like this?

http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/...psmadgr8pc.png

Scott Sub-10 with Alfine-8 IGH and other mods as you describe. Love it.

This is my Nexus-8 bike:

http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0ig8ikyc.png

Built up from a cheap CL Gitane Gypsy Sport. This one weighs 30lbs exactly, and is a joy to ride, despite being made of hi-ten "gas pipe".

But the fact that I am building my next bike to more closely emulate the old Raleigh Lenton Lightweight 3-speed is telling. After riding my DL-1 for some distance now, I realize that too much technology detracts from the pure riding experience. Since I really don't care about riding fast, an AW with 46/24 is just about perfect. The most important thing to me is getting up every hill without standing out of the saddle.

This is the model I am using for my next winter build:

http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/...psinathybr.png

It will be like coming home.

clubman 04-18-16 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 18698759)
It's hard to say because the name 20-30 is a Raleigh name and not any steel industry standard that I know of. Early on, not sure of the year, Raleigh changed it's tubing name from 18-23 to 20-30. So, it was an upgrade of some sort. I'm assuming that 20-30 is lighter and stronger than the earlier Raleighs made from 18-23

20-30 started showing up as early as '54. Can't say I've seen an 18-23 but I don't have pre 50 Raleighs

http://www.kurtkaminer.com/raleigh_sportsketch_1954.jpg

clubman 04-18-16 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 18697075)
Have you seen these? I'm planning a more sporty ride for my 55 Rudge and thought these look interesting.
The 26x 1/3/8 is rated for 70-90psi.
https://www.specialized.com/us/en/co...adsport/105857

Continental has a nice "City Ride" EA3 as well. 70 psi available at Harris and many other stores.
26 x 1 3/8 inch (590 mm) Bicycle Tires from Harris Cyclery

noglider 04-18-16 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 18697075)
Have you seen these? I'm planning a more sporty ride for my 55 Rudge and thought these look interesting.
The 26x 1/3/8 is rated for 70-90psi.
https://www.specialized.com/us/en/co...adsport/105857

That might be a really nice tire, but I wouldn't recommend inflating it beyond 60 psi, probably less, unless you're carrying a lot of weight. If the rider is light, use 40 psi.

NormanF 04-18-16 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by DQRider (Post 18698996)
(Apologies up front for any off-topic content here, but I'm trying to make a point. Please bear with me...)

You mean something like this?

http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/...psmadgr8pc.png

Scott Sub-10 with Alfine-8 IGH and other mods as you describe. Love it.

This is my Nexus-8 bike:

http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0ig8ikyc.png

Built up from a cheap CL Gitane Gypsy Sport. This one weighs 30lbs exactly, and is a joy to ride, despite being made of hi-ten "gas pipe".

But the fact that I am building my next bike to more closely emulate the old Raleigh Lenton Lightweight 3-speed is telling. After riding my DL-1 for some distance now, I realize that too much technology detracts from the pure riding experience. Since I really don't care about riding fast, an AW with 46/24 is just about perfect. The most important thing to me is getting up every hill without standing out of the saddle.

This is the model I am using for my next winter build:

http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/...psinathybr.png

It will be like coming home.

Not off-topic! If you can't find a Raleigh Sports, buy or build a homage to it for yourself. Isn't that in keeping with the spirit of a classic utility bike? May not be a C&V if made of modern materials but as a tribute to the English heritage its payment rendered in full.

smontanaro 04-18-16 10:27 AM

A pair of his-n-hers Raleigh Superbes here in Chicagoland. Price seems kind of steep to me, but I know nothing about them.

RALEIGH SUPERBE

http://images.craigslist.org/00b0b_j...Ik_600x450.jpg
http://images.craigslist.org/00O0O_l...Bo_600x450.jpg

3speedslow 04-18-16 10:48 AM

^^ Large men's frame bring a little more.

adventurepdx 04-18-16 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by smontanaro (Post 18699316)
A pair of his-n-hers Raleigh Superbes here in Chicagoland. Price seems kind of steep to me, but I know nothing about them.

RALEIGH SUPERBE

http://images.craigslist.org/00b0b_j...Ik_600x450.jpg
http://images.craigslist.org/00O0O_l...Bo_600x450.jpg


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 18699383)
^^ Large men's frame bring a little more.

What @3speedslow said. Plus BOTH bikes have the rear racks, full dynamo lighting, and Brooks B72 saddles still on them. So I would consider $625 for the pair to be fair.

bmthom.gis 04-18-16 01:23 PM

Just got done a little mid afternoon jaunt! Somewhere between 6 and 10 miles (I should have probably started up Strava). What a terrific day (temps in the mid 70s when I started and lower 80s when I got back) to be out on my Sports! One of the LBS managers was diggin' the bike. Always a nice feeling.

3speedslow 04-18-16 01:27 PM

Don't forget the pump, Adventurepdx! Shined up, those things attract dollars.

You're right about the Ladies bike. It also is nicely equipped. More often, they are a source of parts and not counted as a thing to be ridden... guilty.

gster 04-18-16 02:05 PM

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JohnDThompson 04-18-16 04:34 PM

Wow. That's got to ride like a wet noodle!

Daniellepurple 04-18-16 05:13 PM

My Raleigh Sports
 
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Return to the 3 speed bike. My mother had one like this in the 70's except hers was brown. In the late eighties when i was big enough, i rode hers for a little bit and the other kids made fun of me because it was "old junk" while they all had their brand new bicycles from Kmart or Venture. But i liked riding it and continued to for a couple years until we moved to an apt and got rid of bikes because we had nowhere to keep them. I got this one from a local bike co-op and put some new tires on it. Love It!!!!! It is so different from my 82 Schwinn 10 speed. This is going to be my flatland grocery getter and the other will be for hills and going a little bit faster.
I enjoyed reading so many posts in this thread and have been learning a lot. Thanks.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=516628http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=516629

arex 04-18-16 05:25 PM

Holy cow...that's awesome.



Originally Posted by gster (Post 18699973)


dweenk 04-18-16 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by Daniellepurple (Post 18700492)
Return to the 3 speed bike. My mother had one like this in the 70's except hers was brown. In the late eighties when i was big enough, i rode hers for a little bit and the other kids made fun of me because it was "old junk" while they all had their brand new bicycles from Kmart or Venture. But i liked riding it and continued to for a couple years until we moved to an apt and got rid of bikes because we had nowhere to keep them. I got this one from a local bike co-op and put some new tires on it. Love It!!!!! It is so different from my 82 Schwinn 10 speed. This is going to be my flatland grocery getter and the other will be for hills and going a little bit faster.
I enjoyed reading so many posts in this thread and have been learning a lot. Thanks.

Looks like you found a nice one. Add a rear rack and basket for utility. Be sure to have the bearings serviced - front hub, bottom bracket, and headset. Add a few drops of motor oil to the rear hub as well from time to time. Be aware that there is a right and left side to the front wheel. The adjustable side of the hub (the side with a lock nut) must be on your left.

Daniellepurple 04-18-16 07:53 PM

Thank you dweenk.
I did put a rear rack and Wald folding side basket on it yesterday. Repacked the front wheel bearings with grease and oiled the hub too. Didn't know about the front wheel left to right thing. Got lucky on that one. I've never taken apart the bottom bracket or headset before. I'll do that while its raining in a couple days.

driftlesscycles 04-18-16 08:19 PM

Raleigh Sprite with S5
 
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Still needs a few finishing touches (grips) and maybe removal of the ultra sticky reflective tape, but for a barn find that started out covered in dust, dirt and grease it doesn't look too bad. B72 even recovered nicely.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=516668

gna 04-18-16 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by dweenk (Post 18700550)
Looks like you found a nice one. Add a rear rack and basket for utility. Be sure to have the bearings serviced - front hub, bottom bracket, and headset. Add a few drops of motor oil to the rear hub as well from time to time. Be aware that there is a right and left side to the front wheel. The adjustable side of the hub (the side with a lock nut) must be on your left.

Most don't have a lock nut. Adjustable cone should go on the left.

artclone 04-18-16 08:39 PM


Originally Posted by driftlesscycles (Post 18700900)
Still needs a few finishing touches (grips) and maybe removal of the ultra sticky reflective tape, but for a barn find that started out covered in dust, dirt and grease it doesn't look too bad. B72 even recovered nicely.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=516668

Cute! That grip angle can't be good for you though.
What's S5? I thought five speed had two shifters?

driftlesscycles 04-18-16 08:52 PM

You are correct. On the top tube there is a stick shifter with levers for both sides of the hub

clubman 04-18-16 09:08 PM

Dialogue riding this bike.

CAPTAIN: "Shift into third...NOW"

STOKER: " Apply brakes...NOW!"

CAPTAIN: "Let's divorce, you keep the bike"

STOKER: "Not if it was the last one on earth"

BigChief 04-19-16 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by driftlesscycles (Post 18700900)
Still needs a few finishing touches (grips) and maybe removal of the ultra sticky reflective tape, but for a barn find that started out covered in dust, dirt and grease it doesn't look too bad. B72 even recovered nicely.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=516668

Congrats on a super find. These are, by far my favorite of any of the Sports bikes. I love the S5 hub. I couldn't get along with the original top tube stick shifters. I changed to a standard top routed trigger and pulley system for the right side and a SunTour handlebar mounted friction shifter for the bell crank on the left. A huge improvement IMHO.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=516724

gster 04-19-16 04:59 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 18701016)
Dialogue riding this bike.

CAPTAIN: "Shift into third...NOW"

STOKER: " Apply brakes...NOW!"

CAPTAIN: "Let's divorce, you keep the bike"

STOKER: "Not if it was the last one on earth"

This bizzare contraption is for sale on kijiji Toronto for $150.00....

streets 04-19-16 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 18701339)
This bizzare contraption is for sale on kijiji Toronto for $150.00....

That thing is astoundingly cool.

clasher 04-19-16 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 18701339)
This bizzare contraption is for sale on kijiji Toronto for $150.00....

Bwahahaha. The kitchener co-op had an orange one that was similar for 80$. I took it for a ride around the parking lot and I thought it was going to fold back up and eat me. The one I rode only had a coaster brake. Amazingly enough someone bought it...

gster 04-19-16 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by clasher (Post 18701500)
Bwahahaha. The kitchener co-op had an orange one that was similar for 80$. I took it for a ride around the parking lot and I thought it was going to fold back up and eat me. The one I rode only had a coaster brake. Amazingly enough someone bought it...

The 3 speed trigger is on the rear seat post!

gster 04-19-16 07:03 AM

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There was a nice Norman for sale as well in Toronto..
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