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DQRider 10-22-18 07:04 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20628777)
Even from a colonial perpective ;)
<Big Snip>
I for one think our nationalism is highly overrated. Wally World is the end of days.

But at least they let you sleep in your clapped-out car in their parking lot after your house gets foreclosed. :rolleyes:

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BigChief 10-22-18 09:51 PM

The newer welded semi mountain bikes are cheap, reliable and have lots more than 3 speeds. They have replaced the traditional English roadster as utility bikes. At least here in America. It's as simple as that.

Cute Boy Horse 10-23-18 08:13 AM

I can't describe the cheap mountain bikes as reliable, or for that matter even acceptable to use. A good singlespeed can get me up the steep hills of my birthplace. Some 21 speed monster with plastic knobbly tyres? I have to get off and walk. Seeing others' bikes up close, they're only "reliable" in the sense that the owner doesn't care the wheels are buckled because the front brake is unhooked anyway, and squeaky brown chains are "normal".

They're absolute deathtraps and the only people I see ride them regularly are that particular segment of the working class that's too poor to ride the bus. I was one for a while. Maybe I should've borrowed a brand new Harley off our american counterparts.

gster 10-23-18 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20627997)
That's a Raleigh frame with the standard headset. Would love to see the whole bike. I still think that cup on yours was meant for a caged bearing, or perhaps larger bearings. When he went to assemble it with 5/32 bearings it was loose and his solution was to place another crown race on top, wedged into the oversized cup. But that leaves the joint exposed. This is exactly what happened to me with the Rudge. Fortunately, the caged bearings were in good shape, so I reused them. But I'm sure I could have also replaced the cups with Raleigh, used loose 5/32" bearings and still get away with using the threaded upper race and lock nut. What's on the upper end of your headset? Is it the same?

I've been out of town for a couple of days but will revisit this business tomorrow to see what's going on.

clubman 10-23-18 02:50 PM

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My TDCross J model has 7 pieces although it assembles well with 6. The extra washer is to accomodate a slightly longer steerer.
The quality of the steel is different. Not chrome, maybe a cadmium plating.

BigChief 10-23-18 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20629976)
I've been out of town for a couple of days but will revisit this business tomorrow to see what's going on.

Looking forward to see if I called this one right or not. I can't imagine anyone would make a headset with the bearings exposed to rain and road sand like that. But...you never know.

gster 10-23-18 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20630229)
Looking forward to see if I called this one right or not. I can't imagine anyone would make a headset with the bearings exposed to rain and road sand like that. But...you never know.

Yes..
If indeed a pre Raleigh BSA (1957)the threads on the steering tube/BB will be 24.
I will test tomorrow.
If pre 1957 it could very well be as you suggest.
Always appreciate the input.

gster 10-23-18 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20630229)
Looking forward to see if I called this one right or not. I can't imagine anyone would make a headset with the bearings exposed to rain and road sand like that. But...you never know.

Yes..
If indeed a pre Raleigh BSA (1957)the threads on the steering tube/BB will be 24.
I will test tomorrow.
If pre 1957 it could very well be as you suggest.
Always appreciate the input.

gster 10-23-18 05:50 PM

Interesting Bike
Listed as a 1940's Eatons Glider
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a8743faee2.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b8579fc87a.jpg
Cottered Cranks indicate English built?
Bent peddle..
Raleigh?
$275.00 CDN.....

BigChief 10-23-18 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20630332)
Interesting Bike
Listed as a 1940's Eatons Glider
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a8743faee2.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b8579fc87a.jpg
Cottered Cranks indicate English built?
Bent peddle..
Raleigh?
$275.00 CDN.....

I suspect this was made by CCM for Eatons. Very nice bike.

gster 10-24-18 05:14 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20630327)
Yes..
If indeed a pre Raleigh BSA (1957)the threads on the steering tube/BB will be 24.
I will test tomorrow.
If pre 1957 it could very well be as you suggest.
Always appreciate the input.

I tested the BSA steerer with some Raleigh parts and they would not thread on...
So obviously a pre Raleigh built bike.

BigChief 10-24-18 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20630811)
I tested the BSA steerer with some Raleigh parts and they would not thread on...
So obviously a pre Raleigh built bike.

Oh yes, in fact, I think I found your frameset and crank in this 1953 catalog from the VCC online library.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...88ef406b3e.jpg

clubman 10-24-18 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20630332)
Interesting Bike
Listed as a 1940's Eatons Glider

Cottered Cranks indicate English built?
Bent peddle..
Raleigh?
$275.00 CDN.....

Lovely. I had one just like it except it had twin top tube and upright bars. Huge frame that I couldn't ride. Not a CCM, they rarely, if ever used english 'hangers' and the forks are wrong. Nickel plate bars? Maybe earlier than 40's

dweenk 10-24-18 01:02 PM

Not English, but cheap
 
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...575b169472.jpg
https://easternshore.craigslist.org/...726012045.html

gster 10-24-18 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20631014)
Oh yes, in fact, I think I found your frameset and crank in this 1953 catalog from the VCC online library.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...88ef406b3e.jpg

Hey! That's the bike!
More good detective work.
The frame has the same pump mounts.
"Inserted cup head races...."
Interesting to think of how many hands it's past through in the past 65 years...
And how it came to have a 1961 SA hub and a Dynohub up front.
The guy I got it from had just bought it a couple of weeks before.
He had too many bikes and wasn't going to bother with it.
A prime candidate for a Semi Scorcher!
Thanks

Ol Danl 10-24-18 05:58 PM

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...00a2cae5af.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4e2b9021b6.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...efd0c6234c.jpg
Is someone familiar with these H.C. Webb brakes that came on my Huffy Sportsman? I don't quite see how the cable adjusters can work. They just go through an unthreaded hole made by bending over a tab of the brake arm, and as found, the nut was below the hole, and just tightened up against it. Am I missing parts, and does someone know of a diagram of these?

gster 10-24-18 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by Ol Danl (Post 20631967)
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...00a2cae5af.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4e2b9021b6.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...efd0c6234c.jpg
Is someone familiar with these H.C. Webb brakes that came on my Huffy Sportsman? I don't quite see how the cable adjusters can work. They just go through an unthreaded hole made by bending over a tab of the brake arm, and as found, the nut was below the hole, and just tightened up against it. Am I missing parts, and does someone know of a diagram of these?

I suspect, when you attach the cable, the tension will keep the adjuster in place.

thumpism 10-24-18 07:09 PM

The nut goes above the brake arm and cable tension keeps it all together. By screwing the nut down against the arm while keeping the barrel immobile you lengthen the cable housing relative to the inner wire, tightening up the brake.

Ol Danl 10-24-18 07:43 PM

That's obviously the way calipers with threaded receptacles for the cable adjuster work -- but then the nut actually acts as a lock nut with the other threads. I'm just wondering if this one nut won't vibrate loose. Maybe it'll work.

PeterLYoung 10-25-18 02:17 AM


Originally Posted by Dan Burkhart (Post 20622725)
Here it is. Quite lengthy. I will try to edit it down a bit when I get a chance. Also don't have the closed captioning edited yet, so it will be the always comical voice to text version for now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvKyiajpTEo

Dan: That is a great video and clearly describes the process for dismantling and re-assembling the BSA Hub Gear, plus describing how it works, a great tool for those who come across these hubs, as you say there is a dearth of information on these hubs. I don't think you need to edit it down, it does the job perfectly as it is in my view, having recently dismantled one of these.
Best regards
PeterLYoung

gster 10-25-18 08:31 AM

BSA
Bits Strewn All Over
I don't think having an old sock jammed in the Bottom Bracket for 40 years did the bike any favours...
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...829d785e2e.jpg
The spindle and cups are both quite rough but I'm obligated to clean and repack as the BSA threading would make finding/fitting another cup virtually impossible.
Should be able to clean and polish to a reasonable state.

gster 10-25-18 08:43 AM

Somewhat Interesting
On a Raleigh built headset, the bottom race sits inside the cup.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...72073355dd.jpg
On the BSA, the bottom race is flush which explains the second race, which sits inside the cup.
Hence, "Inserted head cup races" as stated in the catalogue.
Never too late to learn something new.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a102f71f7e.jpg

Same on the top.
So it wasn't tomfoolery after all

gster 10-25-18 09:18 AM

Little Details
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d5c1c73c85.jpg
46 stamped on the back of the chain ring.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...25862f4270.jpg
BSA logo stamped on crank.

3speedslow 10-25-18 11:54 AM

Maybe I missed it, was this frame spray painted black? Looks like the blue would come out with a little extra effort.

gster 10-25-18 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20626935)
That was his favourite sock, too.

Sock it to me!

clubman 10-25-18 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by gster (Post 20632634)
BSA
Bits Strewn All Over
The spindle and cups are both quite rough but I'm obligated to clean and repack as the BSA threading would make finding/fitting another cup virtually impossible.
Should be able to clean and polish to a reasonable state.

BSA should have bog standard BSC/ISO threads. If the Cup is a BW, I've got one for you and maybe the spindle too if you measure the length and offset. Shipping costs.

gster 10-25-18 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 20632972)
Maybe I missed it, was this frame spray painted black? Looks like the blue would come out with a little extra effort.

I think the black is the base/undercoat with the blue on top.

noglider 10-25-18 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by mtb_addict (Post 20633068)
Question about wheel size.

The Sport comes in 26" wheel. The Roadster comes in 28" wheel.

What was the rationale for going to a smaller wheel size when the Sport was created?

P.s. I see in Japan and in Europe the 28" wheel (ISO 635) are still very popular.
Eventhough the average height of Japanese is short...they still use those big 28" wheel. I wonder why...doesn't make sense.

I can only guess that they realized 26" made more sense as it would fit more people. I think on average, the English are tall, taller than Americans.

28" doesn't make much sense for Japan or India where those bikes are also common. Except that it's a long-held standard. I honestly don't know how they fit on those bikes.

gster 10-25-18 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20633196)
BSA should have bog standard BSC/ISO threads. If the Cup is a BW, I've got one for you and maybe the spindle too if you measure the length and offset. Shipping costs.

Thanks for the offer.
Let me see how mine clean up.
Greg

gster 10-25-18 02:55 PM

Sock It To Me, Baby..
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7746835bf1.jpg

Could this sock have been inside the BB since 1953?
A disgruntled worker playing a prank?
I would take a lot of work to jam it inside and then seal it up....


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