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3speedslow 03-25-19 04:39 PM

I have a Q? For the learned crowd. I’m putting the finished rear wheel in the slots when I notice there are no slotted tab lock washers on either side. Did Raleigh do away with those by 79? It’s somewhat disturbing when I go to tighten up the outside bolts and it causes the axle on the other side to spin.

any help, much appreciated!

carfreefamily 03-25-19 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 20854700)
I have a Q? For the learned crowd. Iím putting the finished rear wheel in the slots when I notice there are no slotted tab lock washers on either side. Did Raleigh do away with those by 79? Itís somewhat disturbing when I go to tighten up the outside bolts and it causes the axle on the other side to spin.

any help, much appreciated!

I am fairly certain that anti-rotation washers are standard issue for any internal hub. My Raleigh did not have any installed when I bought it, so I snapped up a couple from Harris Cyclery. I also had a local bike builder fill in the rear dropouts where the axle had rounded things out and widened them.

3speedslow 03-25-19 05:01 PM

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...96cc46c9f.jpeg
Thatís what I thought! I have these on hand but I have seen more sturdier ones also

clubman 03-25-19 05:23 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20853862)
There's a bike shop near me that has a Hercules ring on the wall...
I may be able to persuade him to part with it..

Hang on to that crank though. Big Chiefs earlier post seems to show that chainring design.
I love the 22 tooth freewheel! I'd use that on any number of overgeared bikes I own.

3speedslow 03-25-19 05:30 PM

I did not see any widening. I think I got lucky as these don’t appear to be ridden any after the smuck mechanic did his botch job on putting the wheels back in. I will recheck my left cone adjustment when I pull the wheel and then install the tabbed washers I have. The front wheel adjustment cone was on the left but it was very loose.
@carfreefamily

Thanks for jumping in here!

3speedslow 03-25-19 06:34 PM

All’s right in my little part of the world. Tab washers on and axle snug in their drop outs. The rear has just a little play in the axle when tightened.

The R20 is back on track.

carfreefamily 03-25-19 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 20854908)
Allís right in my little part of the world. Tab washers on and axle snug in their drop outs. The rear has just a little play in the axle when tightened.

The R20 is back on track.

Good to hear!

gster 03-25-19 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20854779)
Hang on to that crank though. Big Chiefs earlier post seems to show that chainring design.
I love the 22 tooth freewheel! I'd use that on any number of overgeared bikes I own.

That's always the dilemma...
How much time and money to spend?
How many original parts can be saved/restored?
I think in the end I'll have a rideable bike that looks
90 years old.
That freewheel is stuck on real good!

markk900 03-25-19 08:23 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20853992)
Thanks for that!

if you make the trip out let me know - I live about 3 blocks away from them. Itís a great place to visit and thereís now a great local brewery less than 100m from the shop.

gster 03-25-19 09:15 PM


Originally Posted by markk900 (Post 20855066)

if you make the trip out let me know - I live about 3 blocks away from them. Itís a great place to visit and thereís now a great local brewery less than 100m from the shop.

Will do.

browngw 03-25-19 09:16 PM


Originally Posted by markk900 (Post 20855066)

if you make the trip out let me know - I live about 3 blocks away from them. Itís a great place to visit and thereís now a great local brewery less than 100m from the shop.

I've got to make that trip someday soon as well! Looks like we should hold a 3 Speed Event or something.

Dan Burkhart 03-26-19 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by browngw (Post 20855138)
I've got to make that trip someday soon as well! Looks like we should hold a 3 Speed Event or something.

Hey, I'd be up for that. An Ontario member's meet up.Maybe a ride on a stretch of the Guelph to Goderich trail?

BigChief 03-26-19 08:27 AM

A while ago, somebody here was looking for that .pdf about removing Raleigh fork locks. The link posted is no longer valid. I just found it saved on my hard drive. I don't have a server I can use to post it online, but I can email it to anyone interested or has someplace to post it. It specifically says no copyright anyone can use.
BC

carfreefamily 03-26-19 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20855615)
A while ago, somebody here was looking for that .pdf about removing Raleigh fork locks. The link posted is no longer valid. I just found it saved on my hard drive. I don't have a server I can use to post it online, but I can email it to anyone interested or has someplace to post it. It specifically says no copyright anyone can use.
BC

That was me. I'll send you my email in a private message.

Thanks! At this point, with everything back together, I'm resigned to a keyless life, but I would like to know the steps should I get the itch to try to take it apart again.

I do wonder, since there are no numbers for the lock on the face, the way it seems to be on others, if I would find a number on the barrel itself.

BigChief 03-26-19 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by PeterLYoung (Post 20846689)
The BSA Roadster is now completed, spent all day re-assembling and I have ridden it so all is OK. Still might replace saddle but will use as is while I decide. Also it would be nice to find a replacement reflector for rear mudguard (Fender) as the rubber is in a very bad way. Bike is good now for another 83 years!!!!!!!


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e68cb2372b.jpg

Completed Bike
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...83e4fb97dd.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...900f4919c1.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...40474277cf.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a21e4587d6.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...21c71501af.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e2b3299d51.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...231dea2d1c.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d2cc5b6e43.jpg

Never saw one of these before, but here is something similar in a 1930s accessories catalogs.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e4b3e55b29.jpg

gster 03-26-19 12:00 PM

More Evidence!
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c1864c13a8.jpg
Black enamel lined with red and gold....
Red and Gold
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...594c59eb61.jpg
Thanks Big Chief!

PeterLYoung 03-26-19 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20855966)
Never saw one of these before, but here is something similar in a 1930s accessories catalogs.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e4b3e55b29.jpg

Hi Big Chief: The flap on mine is made of Celluloid I think and has a product name on it 'The Leader' and is made by 'B and T Components Ltd' It was on the bike when I purchased it and a bit more yellow than it is now, I polished it with Toothpaste to clean it up and the lettering on it only then became apparent. Also attached a couple of photos showing a couple more parts fitted to bike ie. Captive Key Rear Wheel Bike Lock and Pump Pegs. Only parts left to fit are a couple of Lamp Brackets.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e2864e5edb.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6375ddd41b.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...34f8daaa6d.jpg
Original Rear Wheel captive Key Bike Lock refitted. Also in this Photo you can see one of the riveted Fender Repairs.


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...79c5ffb227.jpg
Original Pump Pegs Refitted.


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3e9bbdab8b.jpg
Completed Bike.

BigChief 03-26-19 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20856015)
More Evidence!
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c1864c13a8.jpg
Black enamel lined with red and gold....
Red and Gold
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...594c59eb61.jpg
Thanks Big Chief!

Now, thanks to this we know that the red pinstripe was outside of the gold. Combined with the catalog images, one could accurately reproduce this finish. I really,really want to buy a Beugler pinstripe tool! Maybe someday you'll find some Westwoods that need pinstripes. That would be a perfect excuse. I'll just explain to my wife that I have to go to Canada to paint some wheels. Sounds good to me.

3speedslow 03-26-19 04:41 PM

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c2eb671c2.jpeg

BMX tires... oh well. This model rolls on 451 rims.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...61318b979.jpeg

Hope the B-17 will do for upright sitting.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...270ebd892.jpeg

I will be installing a larger rack from W. Germany. If I use small panniers, heel strike might not be a problem.
1979 Canadian Raleigh Twenty folder. Finished except for a good long ride and sort out the fit. Did a short neighborhood roll. I like it. I will like it better if I change the 15 in the back for an 18.

carfreefamily 03-26-19 04:48 PM

Roadster Handling:

I'm sure the handling is something I'll get used to, but I thought I would ask this question before I get used to it. I guess the question is - Is this typical of a roadster, or could something be out of line with my bike. I feel that it is probably typical, because the bike looks fine.

The thing I notice is that I am find myself at times sort of fighting the steering. I think it might probably be partly the very narrow handlebars. The bike seems to want to track straight, but at times it also seems to want to steer itself one way or another, particularly on a rough road. I'm more aware of a feeling of having a gyroscope between my hands, and some ordinary motions of the bike affect the steering the same way as if you were wiggling a gyroscope around, so it's not as smooth as other bikes. I don't know if that's what's being referred to in another thread as "twitchy." I even thought the front wheel bearing may have come loose, but everything is just right.

Is that sort of normal for a roadster? Is it the narrow bars? Is it just getting used to a different bike?

I expect in a week, I won't even notice it, but since I just put the entire thing together myself, I'm a little more tuned in for any abnormalities.

PeterLYoung 03-26-19 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 20856428)
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c2eb671c2.jpeg


1979 Canadian Raleigh Twenty folder. Finished except for a good long ride and sort out the fit. Did a short neighborhood roll. I like it. I will like it better if I change the 15 in the back for an 18.

Bike has come up well, looking really nice.

clubman 03-26-19 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20855966)
Never saw one of these before, but here is something similar in a 1930s accessories catalogs.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e4b3e55b29.jpg

My 38 Hercules has a steel rear mudguard overlay with reflector and 'H' badge. No pics, it's boxed but someday.

clubman 03-26-19 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 20856428)
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https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...270ebd892.jpeg

I will be installing a larger rack from W. Germany. If I use small panniers, heel strike might not be a problem.
1979 Canadian Raleigh Twenty folder. Finished except for a good long ride and sort out the fit. Did a short neighborhood roll. I like it. I will like it better if I change the 15 in the back for an 18.

Nice work. I like the knobbys, take that puppy offroad.

gster 03-26-19 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by carfreefamily (Post 20856442)
Roadster Handling:

I'm sure the handling is something I'll get used to, but I thought I would ask this question before I get used to it. I guess the question is - Is this typical of a roadster, or could something be out of line with my bike. I feel that it is probably typical, because the bike looks fine.

The thing I notice is that I am find myself at times sort of fighting the steering. I think it might probably be partly the very narrow handlebars. The bike seems to want to track straight, but at times it also seems to want to steer itself one way or another, particularly on a rough road. I'm more aware of a feeling of having a gyroscope between my hands, and some ordinary motions of the bike affect the steering the same way as if you were wiggling a gyroscope around, so it's not as smooth as other bikes. I don't know if that's what's being referred to in another thread as "twitchy." I even thought the front wheel bearing may have come loose, but everything is just right.

Is that sort of normal for a roadster? Is it the narrow bars? Is it just getting used to a different bike?

I expect in a week, I won't even notice it, but since I just put the entire thing together myself, I'm a little more tuned in for any abnormalities.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9dbf77f5d9.jpg
The older style geometry (slack) on these bikes does put the front wheel "out front" and
can need a bit of getting used to.
It's even more pronounced on the older frames.

3speedslow 03-26-19 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20856500)
Nice work. I like the knobbys, take that puppy offroad.

Well, the SOTS April challenge does include a bit of ďrough roadĒ riding to it!

markk900 03-26-19 07:39 PM


Originally Posted by Dan Burkhart (Post 20855594)
Hey, I'd be up for that. An Ontario member's meet up.Maybe a ride on a stretch of the Guelph to Goderich trail?

thatís a good one as is the Cambridge to Paris trail. Iím in!

browngw 03-26-19 09:08 PM

Went to stick the Brampton Speedy Shifter on the bars of the Royal Nord tonight and realized it felt much heavier than a similar Sturmey Archer. Indeed it weighs almost double and ihttps://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1691d4835c.jpg
s larger and made out of heavier steel. Certainly not an SA clone.

browngw 03-26-19 09:12 PM


Originally Posted by markk900 (Post 20856636)


thatís a good one as is the Cambridge to Paris trail. Iím in!

Interesting. Have not ridden the Paris Cambridge yet. Brantford - Paris, Port Dover- Brantford lots of times.

Dan Burkhart 03-27-19 04:59 AM


Originally Posted by browngw (Post 20856743)
Interesting. Have not ridden the Paris Cambridge yet. Brantford - Paris, Port Dover- Brantford lots of times.

My wife and I ride these trails. We have done the Lyn Valley from Simcoe to Port Dover a number of times, and we do parts of the Paris Cambridge every year.
I grew up about a mile and a half from where the Guelph Goderich trail runs west of Elmira, and I'm old enough to remember the sound of the steam trains as they blew their whistles at the crossing..

BigChief 03-27-19 06:31 AM


Originally Posted by browngw (Post 20856737)
Went to stick the Brampton Speedy Shifter on the bars of the Royal Nord tonight and realized it felt much heavier than a similar Sturmey Archer. Indeed it weighs almost double and ihttps://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1691d4835c.jpg
s larger and made out of heavier steel. Certainly not an SA clone.

Brampton did a good job with this shifter. The design is based on the earlier SA but it seems it was different enough for them to receive a new patent. SA was aware of the problem of bikes falling over and bending the shifter. Their approach in the mid 50s was to redesign it with a shorter lever and moving the mounting bolt inside the body to keep it closer to the handlebar. That may have helped, but I much prefer the longer lever for ease of use. Looks like Brampton took the better approach and beefed up the design with heavier steel. I like it. The other SA shifter in your photo is from the mid 70s. By then they decided to add a cover. Why they chose to make it out of plastic instead of metal is one of those "what were they thinking?" 70s things.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...94588951a6.jpg


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