Terrible mistake, L'Eroica edition
Apparently a L'Eroica bike is any pre-1987, steel frame road bike with downtube shifters, and without clipless pedals or aero levers. (Some clubs now allow aero.)
And here I thought it was an old ten speed that someone is asking $2800 for on Marketplace. But no! It turns out every bike in my garage is a L'Eroica bike! ("Yes, this is a true classic, the Schwini Giro di Chicagua...") Or they would be, had I not installed dual pivot calipers on every one of them, thereby destroying $2700 or so in market value of each. Whoops! 😬 |
After several Eroicas I have found that if you respect the "spirit" of the event the scrutineering will let you get away with minor transgressions
Scrutineering may be more severe in Italy but don't worry about a dual pivot brake or clipless pedals /markp |
Does it have to be steel framed to qualify for eroica?? There were CF, aluminum and Ti bikes in 87 and earlier....
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Originally Posted by Chombi1
(Post 23193422)
Does it have to be steel framed to qualify for eroica?? There were CF, aluminum and Ti bikes in 87 and earlier....
Interesting on the spoke rule. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c7fccf70af.png |
Originally Posted by Chombi1
(Post 23193422)
Does it have to be steel framed to qualify for eroica?? There were CF, aluminum and Ti bikes in 87 and earlier....
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So -
No Cinelli pedals (1970-ish) |
jpc2001 I have a very nice set of those dangerous, suicidal even, side pull brakes available. FOr a mere $847.00 American I can let you have a valuable set of vintage 1987 Dia Compe Alpha 5000s brakes to restore one of your precious vintage bikes back to the insane Erotic standards.
Personally I don't get the whole DP thing. Maybe I just don't go fast enough but I've seldom had trouble stopping on regular old side pull brakes, even the Chorus Monoplanor which weren't really intended to be "Stop on a Dime" type brakes (like the vaunted Delta brakes). What I don't get is lots of people removed these dangerous single pivot brakes for the superior safety and herculean stopping power of the DP brakes but then demand a king's ransom for them when they list them on ebay |
As far as I’m concerned , I ride bikes that are all compliant , that’s just how I ride normally and why I have enjoyed this event. I keep my bikes rolling the same way I did in the early seventies so no worries. The event itself has become something else , dwindling down as it has. I’m not sure what direction , but more non compliance seems to be happening each year so I guess just ride what you want. I don’t think the organizers really care so long as the entry fee has been paid. If I wanted to ride a more modern bike , it would be modern and I would do the Nova ride .
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The only bikes I have that would be close to L'Eroica compliant are my 1983 Pro and Team Miyatas but since they both have contemporary aero Dura-Ace AX brakes and levers, they are not eligible. I grew up using aero levers and never had a bike with brake cable housing looping up and over the handlebars. I thought it looked goofy to me back in the day and honestly would not own a bike with it today. Funny rules if you ask me. I doubt I would be turned away were I to turn up at one of these events on either of my Miyatas.
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Oooooo.... A complain about Eroica rules thread. Haven't had one of those for days.
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Maybe this year I will ride my wife’s ebike!!! That will shake it up a bit!:lol:
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Originally Posted by BMC_Kid
(Post 23193529)
The only bikes I have that would be close to L'Eroica compliant are my 1983 Pro and Team Miyatas but since they both have contemporary aero Dura-Ace AX brakes and levers, they are not eligible. I grew up using aero levers and never had a bike with brake cable housing looping up and over the handlebars. I thought it looked goofy to me back in the day and honestly would not own a bike with it today. Funny rules if you ask me. I doubt I would be turned away were I to turn up at one of these events on either of my Miyatas.
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Originally Posted by jpc2001
(Post 23193246)
Apparently a L'Eroica bike is any pre-1987, steel frame road bike with downtube shifters, and without clipless pedals or aero levers. (Some clubs now allow aero.)
And here I thought it was an old ten speed that someone is asking $2800 for on Marketplace. But no! It turns out every bike in my garage is a L'Eroica bike! ("Yes, this is a true classic, the Schwini Giro di Chicagua...") Or they would be, had I not installed dual pivot calipers on every one of them, thereby destroying $2700 or so in market value of each. Whoops! 😬 |
Originally Posted by Bianchigirll
(Post 23193471)
Personally I don't get the whole DP thing. Maybe I just don't go fast enough but I've seldom had trouble stopping on regular old side pull brakes, even the Chorus Monoplanor which weren't really intended to be "Stop on a Dime" type brakes (like the vaunted Delta brakes).
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Originally Posted by daverup
(Post 23193561)
If you did keep the original AGC-300 brake calipers on your Pro Miyata, you would also have brick like original brake pads. No source for newer pads for those that I could find. Since the Dura Ace EX is correct is correct for the Team Miyata, that's probably as correct as you could get. I think your Dura Ace AX aero are a sensible upgrade for an aero bike.
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Originally Posted by smd4
(Post 23193564)
I’ve never had side pull brakes function as I expected they should, even Dura Ace 7400s. I was always surprised by how poorly they worked. It wasn’t until I got dual pivots that I finally got the braking experience I desired.
We survived about 100+/- years a trillions of miles with the single pivot and I don't recall anyone dying simply because the couldn't stop fast enough. No if you have cheap calipers and 'Turkey' levers that's a different story. Again perhaps I just don't go fast enough to need all that masive stop on a ladybug braking power. |
I found these statements on the L’Eroica web site. The rules have a lot of words about the aero brake levers and cable routing, but nothing very specific about the brake calipers. In my opinion, dual pivot calipers would probably not get you kicked out.
This one is for the Italian event: i) There are no restrictions regarding the type of brakes, as long as they are in keeping with the period of construction of the bicycle and they are safe. This one is for the California event: i) there are no particular rules on the type of brakes as long as they are in line with the construction period of the bicycle and that they are efficient for safety reasons. For California, aero brake levers are okay: c) we prefer the traditional brake lever setup on the bicycles, brake cables pass outside and over the handlebars (cables can pass inside the top tube of main frame), however, starting in 2017, aero brake levers without built in shifters will be allowed. It seems that the Italian event has plenty of entries, so they aren't worried about losing a few people who don't want to comply. On the other hand, California is trying to attract more entrants, so they are more flexible. In the end, it's really just cosplay for bikes. There are a few concessions made for safety, but the idea is to experience what the old timers had to put up with back in the day. |
Originally Posted by Bianchigirll
(Post 23193576)
We survived about 100+/- years a trillions of miles with the single pivot and I don't recall anyone dying simply because the couldn't stop fast enough. No if you have cheap calipers and 'Turkey' levers that's a different story.
Again perhaps I just don't go fast enough to need all that masive stop on a ladybug braking power. I expected top end brakes to have a certain feel, and they never did until I got dual pivots, compressionless housing and Swiss Stop pads. |
Originally Posted by Bianchigirll
(Post 23193576)
We survived about 100+/- years a trillions of miles with the single pivot and I don't recall anyone dying simply because the couldn't stop fast enough. No if you have cheap calipers and 'Turkey' levers that's a different story.
Again perhaps I just don't go fast enough to need all that masive stop on a ladybug braking power. almost all the others are original Campagnolo Record. The Mathauser or kool stop pads are best but even with those the grip strength needed is much higher than with the dual pivots. I did have to adjust the straddle wire on the Mafacs to improve mechanical advantage- shorter is the way. |
I don't understand the consternation some folks have for good quality single pivot brakes found on older bikes.
When they don't work well, it's likely a maintenance issue so give 'em some love (Proper adjustment, fresh brake blocks, cables and clean your rims). [url=https://flic.kr/p/WvqFjt]https://live.staticflickr.com/4206/3...c245a337_h.jpg |
Originally Posted by northbend
(Post 23193703)
I don't understand the consternation some folks have for good quality single pivot brakes found on older bikes.
When they don't work well, it's likely a maintenance issue so give 'em some love (Proper adjustment, fresh brake blocks, cables and clean your rims). |
I don't have any desire to participate in an Eroica event.
However, if I wished to, I would play along with the rules of the event. It's why the event is the event. If you're really bent out of shape about it- start your own esoteric bicycle event... you can show those Eroica clowns who's boss- and you can put up with people *****ing about your eligibility requirements. |
We are overlooking the many 100% Eroica-compliant dual pivot brakes that are out there. You know them as center pulls. MAFAC Racers and Competitions, Universal 61s, Weinmann 750s and the look-alike Dia Compes, to name some examples - they all have two pivots (and thus are dual pivot brakes), some work really well and most work acceptably well (Kool Stop pads, aero levers and modern cabling are your friends), they are readily available, and no one at Eroica will think twice about them.
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Originally Posted by The Golden Boy
(Post 23193807)
I don't have any desire to participate in an Eroica event.
However, if I wished to, I would play along with the rules of the event. It's why the event is the event. If you're really bent out of shape about it- start your own esoteric bicycle event... you can show those Eroica clowns who's boss- and you can put up with people *****ing about your eligibility requirements. CINO |
Originally Posted by Bianchigirll
(Post 23193471)
Personally I don't get the whole DP thing.
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