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Trsnrtr 06-22-20 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 21548367)
Either the sourdough or the knifing should get someone here hot and bothered.

I saw that, too. I buy a loaf of sourdough occasionally from my local bakery and almost need a power saw to cut it. I guess I need a new bread knife. :foo:

Ramona_W 06-22-20 06:42 PM

Yes, and I wasn't surprised at the differences in some occupations. Women earn more as counselors and as first-line supervisors in non-retail sales and I think there were one or two other jobs. In my Cisco networking course, we learned that women who get the certifications make 5% more than men to start and even five years down the line if they stick with it. Part of that is probably because more companies are required to hire women and the women are concerned about the environment and need the incentive. Then again, they might be getting those wages based on their applicant test scores since I've heard from other female CompSci students they feel they have to be twice as good as the guys in their classes. We had four women in my first networking courses. We started the second semester with three women and, just before spring break, I was the only one left. I've really missed those classes this semester when I've had assignments with fuzzier less concrete answers.

Ramona_W 06-22-20 06:46 PM

I'm in the same boat. I've often thought I should have been one of the girls I saw in basic computer classes who was taking them so she could pursue a job in radiology. Then I remember I'm not that fond of people and I would probably really not want to deal with them when they're nervous, worried, and in pain.

Velo Vol 06-22-20 06:50 PM


Originally Posted by Trsnrtr (Post 21548386)
I saw that, too. I buy a loaf of sourdough occasionally from my local bakery and almost need a power saw to cut it. I guess I need a new bread knife. :foo:

Tag the knifeophiles.

MoAlpha 06-22-20 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by Ramona_W (Post 21548279)
I wondered if it's also because men and women go into the field for different reasons. Not to say that men aren't interested in helping people but women seem to be more likely to take socially relevant but as you say "less remunerative" positions such as working in an inner-city clinic or they might be at a school because their kids go there. We saw something similar when we looked at a study of female attorneys in private practice. Women made less money because they had fewer billable hours because they were involved in more pro bono cases. This is leaving aside the women who are working reduced hours or turning down overtime due to child care concerns or a desire to have more balance between work and friends, family, etc. It wonder if the medical wage gap maintains across so-called racial lines as well.

Oh my goodness. I've only been back a day and I'm already so far off topic. I guess I should try to think of something bike related to post.

Great points and I maybe men are more likely to measure their self worth by how much they pull down. Bikes are less interesting than gender and economics, but I wouldn't want to hang out on a gender/economics web site.

MoAlpha 06-22-20 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by indyfabz (Post 21548354)
Just learned that the 17 year old son of a couple I have known for a long time through the Philly bike club was hit by a car and killed the other day. He had just graduated high school and was a member of the schoolís MTB team. I canít imagine what his parents are experiencing.

Too painful to think about.

Bah Humbug 06-22-20 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 21548416)
Great points and I maybe men are more likely to measure their self worth by how much they pull down. Bikes are less interesting than gender and economics, but I wouldn't want to hang out on a gender/economics web site.

Well and it's not just us measuring; it's beaten into us from every direction. Breaking Bad had Gus's "a man provides", and that's of course only one example. It's baked into one of the central points of The Baker and the Beauty. I'm about as woke as a white guy is going to get, I was raised by a stronk mother with far more savvy and drive than my father, which runs back up the family at least two more generations... and even for me it stings occasionally how much more AG makes. She doesn't judge, but despite that upbringing of mine it's been beaten into my psyche since I could read.

WhyFi 06-22-20 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by Trsnrtr (Post 21548386)
I saw that, too. I buy a loaf of sourdough occasionally from my local bakery and almost need a power saw to cut it. I guess I need a new bread knife. :foo:


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 21548412)
Tag the knifeophiles.

Serrated knives don't get people as hot and bothered, but an affordable one that's frequently recommended is the Tojiro ITK.

Ramona_W 06-22-20 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 21548416)
Bikes are less interesting than gender and economics, but I wouldn't want to hang out on a gender/economics web site.

One could have a discussion about bikes and gender and economics but that's a horse nobody wants to get on again including me.

Ramona_W 06-22-20 07:13 PM

Hola. Como esta?

Velo Vol 06-22-20 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 21548432)
Serrated knives don't get people as hot and bothered, but an affordable one that's frequently recommended is the Tojiro ITK.

They're the only kind that cut bread decently.

Originally Posted by Ramona_W (Post 21548435)
One could have a discussion about bikes and gender and economics but that's a horse nobody wants to get on again including me.

Why don't female road bikes come with frames like this? Discuss.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ba156890d.jpeg

WhyFi 06-22-20 07:18 PM

Hmmmmm. Remember how I said that I was getting hot and bothered by the Zipp 303 S and that I'd probably buy them if I found them in stock?

:innocent:

So yeah, my latest search finally showed them in stock with PBK, so I ordered them. But then I remember that SRAM has long since barred UK sellers from shipping to the US. But PBK now has a US site, so I thought that maybe they had operations here that got around the restrictions, yadda yadda. Long story short, I'm looking on the PBK USA site and Zipp *is* among the list of brands that are restricted to the EU and UK... yet they let me order them (at a modest sale price) and the charged me tax. Very weird. I guess I look forward to finding out if they actually ship and where they ship from.

Ramona_W 06-22-20 07:23 PM

My dad worked his butt off for forty years to the point it damaged his health. My mom worked off and on until my brother was born, took a break except for volunteer work until he was in high school then worked for the state of Washington for 17 years and wound up with Cadillac level health insurance and a much bigger pension than my dad received. He never mentioned it bothering him, but now I wonder if it did. I'm kind of wishing I'd asked him but then I never asked him what it was like to watch Jackie Robinson play and I wonder about that even more. We watched so much baseball together and it never occurred to me until after he was gone.

WhyFi 06-22-20 07:29 PM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 21548447)
They're the only kind that cut bread decently.

Nooooo. Most breads are zero problem with a sharp knife - something like challah can be cut so cleanly that I could cube it and put it back together and it would look uncut. Really crusty breads can be problematic, even for very sharp knives, because the edge will just slide on that tough shell, but a little poke with the point will put a ***** (I bet that's going to be censored) in the armor and it's easy work thereafter.

big john 06-22-20 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 21548365)
Is she looking for primary care or a specialist? If the latter she could ask her primary care who they've had good results from.

Primary. She has different insurance and her old doc doesn't accept it. He was a dufus anyway.

Ramona_W 06-22-20 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 21548447)

Why don't female road bikes come with frames like this? Discuss.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ba156890d.jpeg

I was thinking more along the lines of the Women's TdF or prize purses for female racers but okay. I've only ever ridden one pink girl's bike that I know of. I was going up the hill to visit my mom. I had told her about my Trek and she had said "Oh. I was hoping you'd have a pretty pink bike" so I thought "What the heck? A bike is a bike" and I borrowed a pink Schwinn step-through from the shop. It wasn't a cruiser. It had gears. Unfortunately, it didn't have low enough gearing to get me up to the top of the steep hill and - no matter how hard I pedaled - I couldn't get it any further than 3/4 the way up and had to walk it until I got to more level ground. Mom thought it was adorable but I never made that mistake again. I've been eyeing LoP's hot pink bike ever since he got it but I only have stand-over in one spot so that's not happening.

big john 06-22-20 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by Ramona_W (Post 21548468)
I never asked him what it was like to watch Jackie Robinson play and I wonder about that even more. We watched so much baseball together and it never occurred to me until after he was gone.

My dad was not happy about Jackie Robinson being allowed into the league. He hated the Dodgers and that might be part of it.

He mellowed a bit when he got older.

Velo Vol 06-22-20 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 21548475)
Nooooo. Most breads are zero problem with a sharp knife - something like challah can be cut so cleanly that I could cube it and put it back together and it would look uncut.

Are you saying my knifes aren't sharp? I find that hard to believe.

Originally Posted by Ramona_W (Post 21548482)
I was thinking more along the lines of the Women's TdF or prize purses for female racers but okay.

Are women's bicycles, accessories the same price as men's?

rjones28 06-22-20 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by indyfabz (Post 21548354)
Just learned that the 17 year old son of a couple I have known for a long time through the Philly bike club was hit by a car and killed the other day. He had just graduated high school and was a member of the schoolís MTB team. I canít imagine what his parents are experiencing.

:(

big john 06-22-20 07:59 PM

The saying in the mountain bike industry when making women's bikes is "pink it and shrink it".
I used to ride road with a woman who had everything pink. Kit, helmet, shoes and her Trek were all pink. She even got pink tires. She was a good rider and would do the climbing centuries we have out here. She switched to running:eek: for some reason.

rjones28 06-22-20 08:01 PM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 21548447)
They're the only kind that cut bread decently.

Why don't female road bikes come with frames like this? Discuss.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ba156890d.jpeg

The bike pictured is used on the road. No?

Velo Vol 06-22-20 08:13 PM


Originally Posted by rjones28 (Post 21548532)
The bike pictured is used on the road. No?

Not seriously.

rjones28 06-22-20 08:26 PM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 21548549)
Not seriously.

Seriously. Those bikes are ridden on the road.

Bah Humbug 06-23-20 04:34 AM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 21548459)
Hmmmmm. Remember how I said that I was getting hot and bothered by the Zipp 303 S and that I'd probably buy them if I found them in stock?

:innocent:

So yeah, my latest search finally showed them in stock with PBK, so I ordered them. But then I remember that SRAM has long since barred UK sellers from shipping to the US. But PBK now has a US site, so I thought that maybe they had operations here that got around the restrictions, yadda yadda. Long story short, I'm looking on the PBK USA site and Zipp *is* among the list of brands that are restricted to the EU and UK... yet they let me order them (at a modest sale price) and the charged me tax. Very weird. I guess I look forward to finding out if they actually ship and where they ship from.

Yeah I'd be interested to hear that. It could be that their website just isn't up to date in terms of what they're allowed to ship where. And if they arrive, do let us know how you like, not that I think you'd have been quiet about it.

Bah Humbug 06-23-20 04:50 AM

The Hammer is alive! I'll pick it up today and be able to use it tomorrow, then the R2 will be back.


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