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WGB 06-13-21 04:26 PM

Not sure if you've seen these, or can even ride them - I can't ride them as I need a wider tire


​​​​https://www.excelsports.com/vittoria...i-tubular-tire

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VITTORIA CORSA CX III TUBULAR TIRE


Price $28.00
Reg Price $109.99700x21.5mm


They also have

CONTINENTAL SPRINTER TUBULAR ROAD TIRE


Price $49.00
Reg Price $79.95
700 x 25

jimmuller 06-16-21 01:45 PM

I've been preferring tubulars ever since I started riding them four or five years ago. Today's ride, first in a while, was on this PF10. Originally a PFN10, so I was told, the N indicating it had clincher tires. I reverted it to tubulars, hence it is now a PF10. Love it, love the tires. My go-to tire is Veloflex Criterium, 23mm.

https://theworld.com/~muller/pics/Ri...FarmStPark.jpg

Flatforkcrown 06-16-21 02:37 PM

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2ba3264bf.jpeg
Pic of 30mm corsa g+. I don’t know if they actually measure 30mm, but they look huge.

johnnyace 06-24-21 11:03 AM

Vittoria Rally on my newly acquired Gitane TdF. Been a looong time since I rode tubulars, I'm in love all over again.


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...66b74f0656.jpg

smontanaro 06-24-21 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by johnnyace (Post 22115881)
Vittoria Rally on my newly acquired Gitane TdF. Been a looong time since I rode tubulars, I'm in love all over again.

There are plenty of people who will tell you Rallys aren't even good tubulars. You have even more to look forward to I guess. ;)

johnnyace 06-24-21 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by smontanaro (Post 22116233)
There are plenty of people who will tell you Rallys aren't even good tubulars. You have even more to look forward to I guess. ;)

That may well be, but they're the best tubulars I own! :D I think the tendency for sellers is to put whatever new tire they can find that's the cheapest when selling a bike. Hey, at least they're not Cheng Shins or Kendas! (Joking of course... do they even make tubulars?)

Anyway, they may not be great, but they sure do ride better than any clinchers I own.

smontanaro 06-24-21 05:37 PM

johnnyace Kenda does (or did) make tubulars. They are on my sh*t list though (not for their tubulars), so I won't even bother to check for current production.

johnnyace 06-24-21 05:44 PM

The seller actually offered me a clincher wheelset instead, but I opted for the Mavic/Campy/Vittoria wheels he had on there. Test ride confirmed it. I don't even remember what the clincher wheelset was, but it was definitely the lesser of the two options.

johnnyace 07-04-21 12:16 PM

So I've been riding these Vittoria Rallys on the TdF for a couple of weeks now, and although they may be at the low end of tubulars, they are nicer than any comparably sized clinchers I've ridden.

Which got me to wondering: without reading all 81 pages of this thread, what do folks consider to be the top five best tubulars in the 23-28mm range? I'll want to pick up a pair to have for spares.

semroc 07-04-21 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by johnnyace (Post 22128524)
So I've been riding these Vittoria Rallys on the TdF for a couple of weeks now, and although they may be at the low end of tubulars, they are nicer than any comparably sized clinchers I've ridden.

Which got me to wondering: without reading all 81 pages of this thread, what do folks consider to be the top five best tubulars in the 23-28mm range? I'll want to pick up a pair to have for spares.

Just got a set of Schwalbes, they are real nice, Challenge, Vittoria, FMB are nice but I get flats on em before I get a 100 miles in. Lots of good ones out there. Tubulars Rule!

Lazyass 07-05-21 02:56 AM


Originally Posted by johnnyace (Post 22128524)
So I've been riding these Vittoria Rallys on the TdF for a couple of weeks now, and although they may be at the low end of tubulars, they are nicer than any comparably sized clinchers I've ridden.

Which got me to wondering: without reading all 81 pages of this thread, what do folks consider to be the top five best tubulars in the 23-28mm range? I'll want to pick up a pair to have for spares.

When I think of top five I think of top five value because I'm not paying $100+ for one tire. You can get Challenge Elite's for $40 on ebay and they're great. I would have bought them instead of the Rally's.

I'm having an aluminum tubular disc wheelset built for my modern bike and I'm going to buy Panaracer Race C Evo3's for $70/pair.

Panaracer Race C Evo3 Tubular Tire SET: 700c (28") x 26mm - Bulk Discounts (NEW, PAIR) - Bike Recyclery

smontanaro 07-05-21 04:56 AM

The best tubulars I've been able to lay my hands on (as far as ride quality are concerned) were Challenge Parigi-Roubaix, Veloflex Vlaanderen and FMB, all in the 27-28mm range. With a bit of patience and Internet sleuthing I've managed to find them all in the $50-$70 per tire price range. The Challenge had problems at one point with tread adhesion to the casing. That was several years ago, so hopefully they've gotten past that. The modern Vittoria Rally in 25mm is a perfectly good tubular, but not in the same league.

johnnyace 07-05-21 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by Lazyass (Post 22129176)
You can get Challenge Elite's for $40 on ebay and they're great. I would have bought them instead of the Rally's.

Thanks, but I didn't buy the Rallys myself, they came with the TdF. I will check out those Elites.

CV-6 07-05-21 09:01 AM

In order of preference based on personal use:

FMB
Veloflex or Specialized Turbo Hell of the North
Vittoria

I have ridden Challenge with mixed results. One set was very fragile while another set has proven robust. I do not recommend them based on that. The only Specialized tubulars I have ridden are the Hell of the North model, hence the specific listing. Watch eBay, here, and the Paceline forum for people selling off. I have gotten a good many new and barely used tires going that route.

Sedgemop 07-06-21 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by CV-6 (Post 22129433)
In order of preference based on personal use:

FMB
Veloflex or Specialized Turbo Hell of the North
Vittoria

I have ridden Challenge with mixed results. One set was very fragile while another set has proven robust. I do not recommend them based on that. The only Specialized tubulars I have ridden are the Hell of the North model, hence the specific listing. Watch eBay, here, and the Paceline forum for people selling off. I have gotten a good many new and barely used tires going that route.

Looking forward to trying the FMB's at some point. Can't justify the price just yet,

Inherited a set of older Challenges with a wheelset and they were pretty fragile. Bought a new set of Challenges and they seem to be a bit more sturdy, so they'll do for now. Committed to tubulars. I like 'em.

tcpasley 07-08-21 11:15 PM

Has anyone tried the Bontrager R4 Classics tubs? 700x28c, and on half-price sale for $50, which is about the upper end of my tire budget these days.

https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/e...Code=black_tan

Lazyass 07-09-21 03:08 AM


Originally Posted by tcpasley (Post 22134329)
Has anyone tried the Bontrager R4 Classics tubs? 700x28c, and on half-price sale for $50, which is about the upper end of my tire budget these days.

https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/e...Code=black_tan


Man, I might get those for my modern disc bike. It's odd they don't list the thread count but I found a review on the clincher version and it's 320.

The good thing about tubular tires is you can always find high end ones on sale because they probably have trouble selling them.

squirtdad 07-09-21 01:18 PM

just for reference challenge elite pro https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...-tubulars.html

tcpasley 07-10-21 11:36 PM


Originally Posted by Lazyass (Post 22134380)
Man, I might get those for my modern disc bike. It's odd they don't list the thread count but I found a review on the clincher version and it's 320.

The good thing about tubular tires is you can always find high end ones on sale because they probably have trouble selling them.

If you scroll to the bottom of the page you'll see the specs. Took me a while to figure that out - bad webpage design.
I see that the weight is 370g, which may be a little heavy, and it has flat protection, which might make it less supple. Seems like it might be kind of like Continental Sprinter Gatorskins, but wider. That would probably be OK with me.

jimmuller 07-11-21 01:12 PM

In preparation for today's ride I mounted a new, well actually newly-repaired by Tire Alert, Veloflex Criterium on the rear of my Masi last night. The tire had been prepped already but that was over a year ago. The rim had been prepped too and ridden a fair amount but suffered a flat on its last ride so I'd mounted a many-times-repaired spare, rode home and parked the bike to be dealt with later. So I put a new layer of Vittoria Mastic on both, waited a while, then mounted the tire on the rim.

The ride today went just fine but I experienced something I've experienced before. The tire, I believe the new rear one, makes a cyclic noise. At speed it sounds like tchck..tchck..tchck at the speed of the wheel rotation. A slower speed the crisp tchck stretches out to skriit...skriit...skriit, or even shriiiish....shriiiish....shriiiish of longer duration. It seems to be the glue pulling away, probably around the valve stem where Ive generally left it more lightly glued. Sometimes it goes away or is quiet on every other or every third rotation, but not for long.

Have any of you ever experienced this? Know how to make it stop? I'm thinking I might pull the tire off and thicken the mastic around the valve stem, but that's just a guess. I imagine I think I believe that I remember that it goes away eventually. But maybe not. What am I doing wrong?

semroc 07-11-21 04:53 PM

Hi jimmuller. Yes, I've had this happen to my tubulars. Usually it goes away. Sometimes I'll put glue in there and it'll go away. Tubulars Rule.

JJScaliger 07-11-21 05:42 PM

I've been riding Vittoria Paris Roubaix sew-ups on my Bates for commuting and regular rides. They ride quite nice and are robust and comfortable. The only thing I don't care for is the green sidewall. I think I paid $60 each for them. As an aside, round Rallys are better then they get credit for.

Lazyass 07-12-21 02:40 AM


Originally Posted by JJScaliger (Post 22137646)
I've been riding Vittoria Paris Roubaix sew-ups on my Bates for commuting and regular rides. They ride quite nice and are robust and comfortable. The only thing I don't care for is the green sidewall. I think I paid $60 each for them. As an aside, round Rallys are better then they get credit for.

Vittoria came out with their new line up of tires a couple of years ago and they got rid of the green sidewall option. The only tubular they make now is the Rally. I don't really like their new stuff. My favorite clincher tire was the Open Corsa and that's discontinued. I don't like the tread on their new tires.

squirtdad 07-12-21 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by Lazyass (Post 22138005)
Vittoria came out with their new line up of tires a couple of years ago and they got rid of the green sidewall option. The only tubular they make now is the Rally. I don't really like their new stuff. My favorite clincher tire was the Open Corsa and that's discontinued. I don't like the tread on their new tires.

I don't understand the comment then don't make tubulars. I see a number of tubular options for vittora. the replacement for the green pave is the Corsa Control.

DiabloScott 07-12-21 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by JJScaliger (Post 22137646)
I've been riding Vittoria Paris Roubaix sew-ups on my Bates for commuting and regular rides. They ride quite nice and are robust and comfortable. The only thing I don't care for is the green sidewall. I think I paid $60 each for them. As an aside, round Rallys are better then they get credit for.

AFAIK, Vittoria never made a Paris Roubaix model... you're probably thinking Pavé... and the green sidewall is a badge of pride. I also really like the file tread pattern.

JJScaliger 07-14-21 11:55 AM

Yeah pave, my bad. I think it looks like I'm trying too hard to color coordinate with my bike.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fe82f45479.jpg
Bates bar

they definitely are nice tires.
I rode in to work today. Foggy and misty in morning.

jimmuller 07-14-21 05:04 PM


Originally Posted by semroc (Post 22137577)
Hi jimmuller. Yes, I've had this happen to my tubulars. Usually it goes away. Sometimes I'll put glue in there and it'll go away. Tubulars Rule.

Thank you for the reply. :thumb:

Classtime 07-14-21 11:14 PM

I can get that noise at the valve if I don't follow directions and give the newly mounted tire a day or two to dry. I have pulled the tire away near the valve and injected more glue but now I wait.

Classtime 07-14-21 11:26 PM


Originally Posted by johnnyace (Post 22115881)
Vittoria Rally on my newly acquired Gitane TdF. Been a looong time since I rode tubulars, I'm in love all over again.

Consider getting some Stans if the valves have removable cores(mine do). The base tape on Rallys is a ***** to remove when patching a tube. A Vittoria Corsa spare will introduce you to nice tires and be an ok match to your Rallys. Get a pair if you see a deal. I think the Continentals have the fewest QC issues. Gatorskins ride like Rallys and unless you ride gravel are not worth it. Regular Spinters are my go to and often on sale.

CV-6 07-15-21 01:02 PM

Anyone used Stan's in an FMB or Veloflex? It has been my experience that it ruins the latex tube in the long run. Someone else have experience to share?


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