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epnnf 06-05-22 08:52 AM

the future of new bicycle buying
 
Ive heard, from BF & my LBS, that in the future, buying a new bicycle will be online with lots of choices. You will pick frame size, maybe color, wheels, components, etc. Then have it shipped directly to the buyer or a 3rd party for assembly. Does anybody have updates on this? When? How? Who?

Wildwood 06-05-22 09:22 AM

Many frame builders have been doing this for ... decades.
Who? the list is almost endless.
You just have to step out of the mainstream.

Iride01 06-05-22 09:25 AM

It seems that's where we are headed. Bikes shops that can adapt will still be service centers and sell cycling accessories and clothing. Pretty much of the same things many have already been doing. They just won't get the benefit of any new bike sales if there was a big benefit to them for that. Maybe big bike makers will put demo models in them test ride purposes.

Might be happening with automobiles too. I'd be happy to get rid of annoying dealership commercials on TV.

kahn 06-05-22 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by epnnf (Post 22531433)
Ive heard, from BF & my LBS, that in the future, buying a new bicycle will be online with lots of choices. You will pick frame size, maybe color, wheels, components, etc. Then have it shipped directly to the buyer or a 3rd party for assembly. Does anybody have updates on this? When? How? Who?

What I truly see wrong with this direct to consumer model is BIKE FIT. Using the online size charts and guides does not replicate in any way actually sitting on the bike and pedaling around the block and up the nearest steep hill. Specialized charts suggested a SMALL for me. Not when test riding - MEDIUM was the size for comfort and fit. How do you determine that from a website? Yes, I know I'm spitting into the headwind but .....

fishboat 06-05-22 09:47 AM

The assumption with a total online-model is that all consumers know what to order. In my experience looking at and buying used bikes for myself and others, as well as talking to people in various group rides, even when they're riding very nice bikes....MANY..approaching most sellers don't have a clue what they're selling(riding), even as it sits in front of them in bright sunshine. I see this even with higher-end-ish bikes. With prices continuing to rise in the mid-tier and up bikes(i.e approaching real money for many people), I don't see the average consumer dropping $1K and up online and hoping for the best. Those folks will still want to go to LBS and have someone guide them through the process.

For those that do know what they're ordering, they'll do so online..as they have been doing for quite a while now.

PeteHski 06-05-22 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by kahn (Post 22531462)
What I truly see wrong with this direct to consumer model is BIKE FIT. Using the online size charts and guides does not replicate in any way actually sitting on the bike and pedaling around the block and up the nearest steep hill. Specialized charts suggested a SMALL for me. Not when test riding - MEDIUM was the size for comfort and fit. How do you determine that from a website? Yes, I know I'm spitting into the headwind but .....

Pretty much all online sales allow a free swap if the sizing turns out to be wrong. At very worst your odds are 50/50 of getting it wrong.

PeteHski 06-05-22 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by epnnf (Post 22531433)
Ive heard, from BF & my LBS, that in the future, buying a new bicycle will be online with lots of choices. You will pick frame size, maybe color, wheels, components, etc. Then have it shipped directly to the buyer or a 3rd party for assembly. Does anybody have updates on this? When? How? Who?

Depending on where you live it's been going in that direction for years. Even a lot of LBS sales are now generated from their online presence, shipped directly to the customer. Canyon are probably the best known direct to customer bike manufacturer, with no LBS channels.

Racing Dan 06-05-22 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by epnnf (Post 22531433)
Ive heard, from BF & my LBS, that in the future, buying a new bicycle will be online with lots of choices. You will pick frame size, maybe color, wheels, components, etc. Then have it shipped directly to the buyer or a 3rd party for assembly. Does anybody have updates on this? When? How? Who?

Possibly, depending on what kind of bike you are referring to. Where I live, in Europe, there's a LBS on every other corner. At least ten within a few miles. However, almost all of them are directed at everyday grocery and commuter bikes. Only a few with a selection of speciality bikes (mtb, road, gravel, cargo, etc.). I see no signs they are going away. Im sure the online marked will continue to thrive too. Customizing bikes to the customers preference is a welcome change to the one size fits all model.

KerryIrons 06-05-22 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by epnnf (Post 22531433)
Ive heard, from BF & my LBS, that in the future, buying a new bicycle will be online with lots of choices. You will pick frame size, maybe color, wheels, components, etc. Then have it shipped directly to the buyer or a 3rd party for assembly. Does anybody have updates on this? When? How? Who?

This flies right in the face of the very satisfying experience of going to a shop, checking out different bikes, maybe riding a couple, getting advice, and then putting that brand new machine in the back of your car right then and there. No comparison. What you are suggesting is to move to the "pick out your car and wait for the factory to build it" model that has not worked well in the automotive industry.

mschwett 06-05-22 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by KerryIrons (Post 22531843)
This flies right in the face of the very satisfying experience of going to a shop, checking out different bikes, maybe riding a couple, getting advice, and then putting that brand new machine in the back of your car right then and there. No comparison. What you are suggesting is to move to the "pick out your car and wait for the factory to build it" model that has not worked well in the automotive industry.

i think scarcity (and selectiveness at the higher end of the market) changes this equation dramatically. having precisely specified and sized bikes randomly sitting in retail outlets where someone predicted they’d be sold is hardly good for anyone. if the supply/demand equation tilts back to normal and supply chain issues are resolved, perhaps there’s a better chance for the old school model to survive. we’ve bought 6 bikes in the last few years, a couple that we got lucky to be in stock at a preferred LBS in the right size, one completely direct to consumer, and two on a hybrid model that involved a test ride in person for sizing and features and then a wait to get the exact one sent to that shop directly from the manufacturer. for high end bikes, the latter model is the best, IMO.

zandoval 06-05-22 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by epnnf (Post 22531433)
...in the future, buying a new bicycle will be online

It's happening right now. There are several reputable on line bicycle sources. Bikes Direct being one of them. I have assembled a few of thier bikes for friends and they are a pretty good deal considering whats available in the market.

Talked to a guy over at Walmart. He says Walmart has doubled its orders on bicycles and can't get them assembled quick enough to keep a few on the floor. At a time some are complaining about long wait times and 1000 USD Plus price tags there are some that are out there just ridding.

I have had more then a few bring thier Walmart bike over for a going over and some of the things I have found are just laughable. Either errors in manufacture or errors in assembly, but all were fixable with a little time and tinkering.

Internet ordering of bicycles has been going on for years and so far I have seen some pretty good deals. Of course assembly is really important.

I am not a fan of Bicycle Dealerships with sales assistants more interested in financing than getting ya ridding.

So am I a fan of the Big Box Store or Discount Shopping franchise bicycles? Well, no, of course not. But if that's all ya got or all ya can get so be it... Get out there and ride...

Of course... You know this...

Darth Lefty 06-05-22 05:19 PM

To do this at a lower price, you need a shift in the business model of making the product, not the distribution on this side of the ocean. Most bikes sold direct are single configurations with options supplied by different trim levels, for a lot of good manufacturing and shipping reasons. Ibis and Santa Cruz offer wheel upgrades, I just checked. But I'd guess they have that option ready to ship in a box already so it's really kind of another trim level. Diamondback had an online configurator a few years ago but I think it went out the window when they changed hands. It's a premium service that doesn't really fit with their brand. Obviously there's Project One. For a little while longer at least, I don't think you are going to see a lot more of this because covid supply chain yada yada.

tempocyclist 06-05-22 05:22 PM


Originally Posted by epnnf (Post 22531433)
Ive heard, from BF & my LBS, that in the future, buying a new bicycle will be online with lots of choices. You will pick frame size, maybe color, wheels, components, etc. Then have it shipped directly to the buyer.

I did this sometime like 10 years ago with Ribble's online bike builder. Chose the "base" model, then spec'd up the groupset, wheels, tyres, etc.

PDKL45 06-06-22 12:04 AM

Quite a few European brands do it like that. Order a trekking bike and it will come with a 3x10 Alivio trekking groupset with cheap dynamo hub etc. You can upgrade to Deore or Deore XT with price increases, so there is a default model with cheaper components for those who are not sure.

PeteHski 06-06-22 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by KerryIrons (Post 22531843)
This flies right in the face of the very satisfying experience of going to a shop, checking out different bikes, maybe riding a couple, getting advice, and then putting that brand new machine in the back of your car right then and there. No comparison. What you are suggesting is to move to the "pick out your car and wait for the factory to build it" model that has not worked well in the automotive industry.

The chances of an LBS having the bike I want, in the right size and right spec sitting ready to go are very close to zero. In fact I've never had that experience in the last 30 years! I've always ended up with the shop having to order the bike in for me in the right size/spec and I'm not even super fussy or an extreme size. The shop advice received can range from very useful to complete horse crap and everything in between. I do miss the proper test ride experience that some shops used to offer i.e. borrow for the weekend, not just a useless ride up and down the parking lot. But most shops here now don't really do proper test rides. You actually get a better test ride when buying online due to our distance selling laws i.e. usually 30 days return.

All my current bikes were bought direct online. The Giant Defy came from an LBS that wasn't local to me. The two Canyons factory direct.

Rolla 06-06-22 01:12 PM

I think the dire predictions of a total online takeover are exaggerated. Even after Zappos.com revolutionized the online shoe-buying paradigm (buy multiple sizes, get free shipping and free returns), there are still plenty of shoe stores.

I do think that we'll see more of the "order online, ship to store" model as this all plays out over the next several years, but it's simply not in the bike industry's interest to eliminate brick & mortar retailers entirely.


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