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1989Pre 09-29-23 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by Dean51 (Post 23012237)
I'm transitioning from glue to tape. Somewhere.....I read that I should leave a gap in the tape, 180 degrees from the valve stem, to simplify removal of a flat tire. Are any of you tape users doing this? For those that are, how much of a gap are you leaving?

Thanks in advance for your input!

Dean

I am planning on doing the same. I'm going to try the Effetto Mariposa tape as recommended by Pastor Bob, and leave two spokes uncovered, as suggested by Aardwolf. The Continental glue is so tenacious that I was struggling to center the tires.

1989Pre 09-29-23 08:09 AM


Originally Posted by Classtime (Post 23006032)
I weigh 155 and I run 110psi in my 22mm Continental Sprinters. If the roads are rough like EroicaCA or The BWR, I run 90 in my Sprinter Gatorskins.

I'm 170 lbs and my R4's are 25mm, so what you are doing sounds similar to my approach. If I was riding in conditions like Belgian Waffle, Eroica Cal or even Dairyland Dare (three roads have gravel), I'd be approaching things completely differently.

equinoxranch 10-02-23 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by Dean51 (Post 23012237)
I'm transitioning from glue to tape. Somewhere.....I read that I should leave a gap in the tape, 180 degrees from the valve stem, to simplify removal of a flat tire. Are any of you tape users doing this? For those that are, how much of a gap are you leaving?

Thanks in advance for your input!

Dean



TAPE...**********??? Big mistake. Only use MastikOne, period!!!!

Classtime 10-02-23 02:43 PM


Originally Posted by equinoxranch (Post 23031812)
TAPE...**********??? Big mistake. Only use MastikOne, period!!!!

Ill never use tape but some folks like it. Leave em be.

SwimmerMike 10-02-23 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by equinoxranch (Post 23031812)
TAPE...**********??? Big mistake. Only use MastikOne, period!!!!

Wow, I now see the light! With such a compelling argument I now feel like such a fool for using tape. When I get home I will throw out my shop roll of tape, remove the 8 sets of tubulars that are taped on, and then put the tubulars back on with MastikOne. Hopefully I'll never make a mistake like using tape again. I feel so foolish.

Dean51 10-02-23 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by SwimmerMike (Post 23032007)
Wow, I now see the light! With such a compelling argument I now feel like such a fool for using tape. When I get home I will throw out my shop roll of tape, remove the 8 sets of tubulars that are taped on, and then put the tubulars back on with MastikOne. Hopefully I'll never make a mistake like using tape again. I feel so foolish.

I had similar thoughts, but held back in fear that I might start a war similar to the recent chain waxing thread. If we get into a battle, perhaps you'll share the blame with me!!

Regarding my original question, I've decided to not leave a gap in the tape other than at the valve hole, just like I've done on my other taped on tubulars.

Dean

79pmooney 10-02-23 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by Aardwolf (Post 23013033)
I just taped some Vittoria Rubino 28mm with Jantex tape, left 2 spokes untaped,
Haven't had to remove any yet though.

I've now taped two bikes worth of wheels with the Jantex. No gap. Haven't taken one off yet, I do carry a steel tire iron. Don't have very strong hands. We will see.

WGB 10-03-23 06:56 AM

Tape versus glue is a personal choice. Both seem to work perfectly.

Some people hate gluing due to getting it on side walls or arm hair. Personally, I liked gluing. The problem is I'd glue one, maybe two sets in a year. I'd faithfully ensure the can lid was on tight and I'd store it upside down and yet the next time I reached for the glue it was just that little bit too hard to use. I'd add a little solvent to try to dilute (can't recall what I use, but I followed what was recommended on this thread). Problem was, either the solvent didn't work or I didn't trust it after dilution. I switched to buying only single use tubes. Then I had to remember to order the tubes when I ordered something else to avoid extra shipping charges.

I saw that Tufo tape would only tape a single wheel so with Tufo, tape was definitely way more money per wheel than glue.

This summer, I saw a sale in the UK and bought Jantex tape for $5.85 Canadian a roll as I'd heard Jantex covered two wheels. I bought 5 rolls (+ a single roll of Tufo as I had a roll that was given to me). My order was shipped to me for about $65 Canadian. Keep in mind that if I can find Matsik here it's about $40 Canadian a can (plus $20 shipping) so I'd see glue and tape at close to parity but, presumably with tape, there'd be no wastage.

I put the wheels on my Hozan truing stand and put the tape on. I removed the new tires from the spare rims where they were stretching and installed on the wheels. Including fussing to make sure the tire were on a straight as possible, total time was under 15 minutes. I didn't have to glue tire and rim, wait, re-glue, etc.

I haven't had to remove a tire yet, I don't know how hard or easy that will be, or how easy or hard rim clean up will be.

I still have 3-4 tubes of glue. I expect that I will glue again in the future, if I ever have to set up a bunch of tubulars at once. Having said that, I have 4 rolls of Jantex and two rolls of Tufo sitting a drawer and next summer I'm sure I will open that drawer and the tape will be ready to go, whereas a partially used can of glue might be useable, but then it might not.

Aardwolf 10-03-23 07:14 AM

I think I hit the same offer:
2023 May 21st
Merlin Cycles
Jantex tub tape white 3.59 (instead of 7.99)
Just checked the link and price hasn't changed :)
One roll does 2 rims.

https://www.merlincycles.com/velox-j...ape-81504.html

MooneyBloke 10-03-23 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by DiabloScott (Post 22982126)
Oh, it's worse than that - I'm really fortunate I don't get many flats.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...99c03984ee.jpg
Is it possible to do a worse job?

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1e371e8e01.jpg

I wasn't sure whether to post this here or in "Where did you ride today." Got the Stan's shower a little over half way through a 63km jaunt yesterday.

L134 10-03-23 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by Aardwolf (Post 23032521)
I think I hit the same offer:
2023 May 21st
Merlin Cycles
Jantex tub tape white 3.59 (instead of 7.99)
Just checked the link and price hasn't changed :)
One roll does 2 rims.

https://www.merlincycles.com/velox-j...ape-81504.html

I believe they are getting out of tubulars and probably just clearing related inventory. Get it while you can.

awrycycle 10-05-23 06:49 AM

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...072411649.jpeg
no good? considering some sealant to get some more use of out of this one, but the sides feel a bit crinkly when flexed.

Classtime 10-05-23 07:32 AM

Take it easy on that one!

pastorbobnlnh 10-05-23 07:42 AM

awrycycle try painting latex (the kind used by makeup artists) on the side walls, as well. You should be able to extend the life for another thousand miles or more. :innocent:

MooneyBloke 10-05-23 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by awrycycle (Post 23034378)
considering some sealant to get some more use of out of this one, but the sides feel a bit crinkly when flexed.

If the sidewalls are that shot, I'd be leery of trusting any of the rubber.

1989Pre 10-10-23 04:51 AM

I just have to ask: What is the rationale for even considering using the tire in post #3102? If that had been a clincher, I would have thrown it out a year ago, even with a wire bead.

pastorbobnlnh 10-10-23 05:05 AM


Originally Posted by 1989Pre (Post 23038614)
I just have to ask: What is the rationale for even considering using the tire in post #3102? If that had been a clincher, I would have thrown it out a year ago, even with a wire bead.

I'm pretty certain awrycycle was being "funny" (in a dry humor sort of way) about continuing to use that tubular. A ;) or a :innocent: could have been a helpful clue.

However, some folks don't even seem to understand Smilies. :foo: Just look at the post after my response. The member thought I was being serious. I was just trying to go along with the original humor.

1989Pre 10-10-23 05:27 AM


Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh (Post 23038618)
I'm pretty certain awrycycle was being "funny" (in a dry humor sort of way) about continuing to use that tubular. A ;) or a :innocent: could have been a helpful clue.

However, some folks don't even seem to understand Smilies. :foo: Just look at the post after my response. The member thought I was being serious. I was just trying to go along with the original humor.

Oh, wow. I feel like such a "tubular newbie"! By-the-way, I think emoticons are under-rated. I wish we could import the great ones that Yahoo Messenger used to have. Right now, I'd select the "D'oh!" one of the guy ducking.

smontanaro 10-10-23 05:50 AM


Originally Posted by 1989Pre (Post 23038632)
Oh, wow. I feel like such a "tubular newbie"! By-the-way, I think emoticons are under-rated. I wish we could import the great ones that Yahoo Messenger used to have. Right now, I'd select the "D'oh!" one of the guy ducking.

I've often wanted a :dopeslap: emoticon, generally applied to myself...

kcblair 10-10-23 07:15 AM

Hello Tubular fans, Question, I saw a tubeless tire repair kit, on Cycling News. Question ,could this be used to patch a tub on the road ? The reason I ask, is I had a Tufo S33, that had a very small puncture. The Stan's sealant did not seal very well, but did stop enough to get me home. Air it up and held air . Once on the road, it opened up again. I stopped, put the tub down (6 O'clock) , the leak sealed , only to open again. I inspected the tub, and found nothing at the puncture site . So, in the trash , the tire went . I am, now using Tufo sealant in my tubs.
Thanks so much for your replies.

1989Pre 10-10-23 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by kcblair (Post 23038683)
Hello Tubular fans, Question, I saw a tubeless tire repair kit, on Cycling News. Question ,could this be used to patch a tub on the road ? The reason I ask, is I had a Tufo S33, that had a very small puncture. The Stan's sealant did not seal very well, but did stop enough to get me home. Air it up and held air . Once on the road, it opened up again. I stopped, put the tub down (6 O'clock) , the leak sealed , only to open again. I inspected the tub, and found nothing at the puncture site . So, in the trash , the tire went . I am, now using Tufo sealant in my tubs.
Thanks so much for your replies.

I wish I could help, but just installed my first set of tubulars, so I know little. I just wanted to say that posts like yours (and their replies) are like gold for me, because they help me out in what to expect (in this case, the potential performance of the Stan's).

pastorbobnlnh 10-10-23 12:16 PM

In my limited experience with using leak stopper such as Stans, Tufo, etc., be careful because if your bike is parked long enough, the sealant migrates to the lowest point and the sealant hardens, which In turn ruins the tube and tire balance.

spclark 10-10-23 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by kcblair (Post 23038683)
Question, I saw a tubeless tire repair kit, on Cycling News. Question ,could this be used to patch a tub on the road ?

Yes, that's their purpose after all.

It's certainly easier to patch a tubular when not out on the road but I've done it, once, decades ago. Takes patience, a job not to be rushed else it's likely that in your haste you'll do more damage. My take is better to have a spare tubed tire ready to swap for the leaker then save the repair job for later once you're back to shelter.

PastorBob's comment makes me a little more reluctant to try getting sealant into any of the tubulars I have on hand now. Winter's coming, neither of my two rides will see much use once temps get to 40F or below for the days' high. With them idle for a few months I don't want to get either out next spring only to find I have a hard spot throwing a wheel out of balance.

I have plans to build a set of clinchers over winter for the Motobecane that's worn tubulars since... forever. As much for the different experience of riding on them for casual, recreational use as for the easier operation of swapping in a fresh tube if I should suffer a puncture down some road. Tubes are lighter, easier to bring along 'just in case' than a tubular tire.

Classtime 10-10-23 01:28 PM

I think TL repair kits use a plug. To use on a tubular, you would have to get the plug into the puncture of the tube in a tubular tire and it would have to stay there while you are riding? Not likely to work.

DiabloScott 10-10-23 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by Classtime (Post 23039021)
I think TL repair kits use a plug. To use on a tubular, you would have to get the plug into the puncture of the tube in a tubular tire and it would have to stay there while you are riding? Not likely to work.

The question was for Tufo, which is a tubeless tubular. So I think it might work, certainly worth a shot if the alternative is to trash bin an otherwise good tire.

​​​​kcblair give it a go and take good notes and photos and come back here with your report. Nice to have a new topic inside this thread.

kcblair 10-10-23 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by DiabloScott (Post 23039027)
The question was for Tufo, which is a tubeless tubular. So I think it might work, certainly worth a shot if the alternative is to trash bin an otherwise good tire.

​​​​kcblair give it a go and take good notes and photos and come back here with your report. Nice to have a new topic inside this thread.

Sure will, I'm pulling the leaking tub out of the trash as a test subject. Need to order a tubeless plug kit.KB

kcblair 10-10-23 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by Classtime (Post 23039021)
I think TL repair kits use a plug. To use on a tubular, you would have to get the plug into the puncture of the tube in a tubular tire and it would have to stay there while you are riding? Not likely to work.

Tufo tubular are one piece, no inner tube. The reason I'm tossing this idea out here. Thanks. KB

kcblair 10-10-23 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh (Post 23038956)
In my limited experience with using leak stopper such as Stans, Tufo, etc., be careful because if your bike is parked long enough, the sealant migrates to the lowest point and the sealant hardens, which In turn ruins the tube and tire balance.

Thanks Pastor Bob. If anyone would know, I knew you would. I haven't used tubs in 3 years and though it was time to replace the leaking one. I still have spares, I can't seem to use or get rid of, so I checked the good one, already mounted and open the valve core at 6 o'clock and Stan's came squirting out. So that must still be good. I'm putting Tufo in the new tub.

At age 76, I don't have the strength to mount a spare on the road. My son had to help my get the replacement on and stretched . In order to use up my stock of tubs , I only have 3 options on the road, hope Tufo sealant will hold, try a tubeless plug, or call 911 (the support vehicle , i.e. the wife ) . I might test a plug on the leaking tub I just removed. I still have a set of Conti's mounted, to use.

Thanks so much.KB

1989Pre 10-10-23 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh (Post 23038956)
In my limited experience with using leak stopper such as Stans, Tufo, etc., be careful because if your bike is parked long enough, the sealant migrates to the lowest point and the sealant hardens, which In turn ruins the tube and tire balance.

Important information for me. That does it: I'm going to start carrying a spare tire.

kcblair 10-10-23 02:32 PM

Hey guys, just watched a YT vid on this product from Muc-off "Stealth Tubeless Puncture Plug 75% Off 1" This, I'm sure will solved the problem, using Tufo tubs, as they are tubeless. KB


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