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Originally Posted by carleton
(Post 18783762)
Whoa. Seems like it's a pursuit bike built from the ground up. Not just hand-me-down stuff that's par for the course.
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More info on how this bike evolved here:
http://www.feltbicycles.com/pursuitf...track_bike.pdf Graeme Obree used narrow hubs for his hour record ride. I wonder if this Felt bike also uses a narrow Q crankset. |
Originally Posted by queerpunk
(Post 18783910)
Yup. I bet there don't exist any stems with clamps for drop handlebars that work with those bikes - they are all one-piece basebar/stems that clamp to whatever that proprietary Bayonette-and-Beyond interface is.
- Need custom or special-order training and race wheels. - As a team manager, you can't use any fleet wheels or other components (cranks, stems, etc...) - This can't pull double-duty as a mass start bike. - Probably gonna retail for $5,000 USD I guess it's no different than the GT Superbike. A very one-off thing for each rider on the team. Winning at the Olympics is probably more for brand awareness than selling that particular frame. |
Originally Posted by carleton
(Post 18784031)
The (obvious) downside is that this is gonna be a tough sell in the open market.
- Need custom or special-order training and race wheels. - As a team manager, you can't use any fleet wheels or other components (cranks, stems, etc...) - This can't pull double-duty as a mass start bike. - Probably gonna retail for $5,000 USD I guess it's no different than the GT Superbike. A very one-off thing for each rider on the team. Winning at the Olympics is probably more for brand awareness than selling that particular frame. Although Felt made the TK1 in both sprint and endurance models - I wonder if they'd make a Pursuit-only version of this bike, and then make a more consumer-friendly version of it with regular spacing, right hand drive, and a grip of stems to work with their system. |
Originally Posted by queerpunk
(Post 18784082)
Definitely a hard sell. Although it might be more of an act of philanthropy than of business.
Although Felt made the TK1 in both sprint and endurance models - I wonder if they'd make a Pursuit-only version of this bike, and then make a more consumer-friendly version of it with regular spacing, right hand drive, and a grip of stems to work with their system. Note that none of the top sprint bikes (British Super Bike, BT, etc...) are overly complex. Only the LOOK sprint bikes are complex. But, recall that that frame also started as mod of a road TT frame. So, I think this new felt and it's derivatives would (and should) always be pursuit bikes. I know Sales and Marketing would love to say, "...and you can race mass start and sprints on it, too!!" but they probably shouldn't. I'm not dissing Felt. I REALLY love and appreciate that they are actively trying to break out of the mold of designing bikes to fit components that have been around for decades. Change is hard. Recall that quill stems were once mainstream and someone had to introduce non-threaded forks and stems as we know it. Tough sell, but totally worth it and we consumers benefited. |
Another new track bike from Argon 18 for the Dutch national pursuit team.
New Argon Electron Pro debuts sharp design under the Danish national track team - Bikerumor This one seems to be made to ride only with mavic comete rio and a tt bar. |
Originally Posted by Godsight
(Post 18784409)
Another new track bike from Argon 18 for the Dutch national pursuit team.
New Argon Electron Pro debuts sharp design under the Danish national track team - Bikerumor This one seems to be made to ride only with mavic comete rio and a tt bar. http://brimages.bikeboardmedia.netdn...-rendering.jpg I"m glad to see that it's adjustable. Recall Bicycle Marketing 101 rule #1 : Mention that your new bike is lighter, stiffer, faster, and more aero than anything else. :D They claim the end result is a bike that is faster and stiffer than either party had ever worked with on the track. I'm in the wrong business. |
Also those chain tensionner on the Argon 18 seems finicky to use. Would rather have a dropouts like the dolan DF3/4
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https://hedcycling.com/track/track-wheels/volo
I was wondering how the new hed wheel dealt with the left hand drive of the new felt. Looks like it uses a White Industries splined cog. EDIT: I also find it interesting that the valve hole appears to end up on the left side of the hed discs on the new felt bike. You'd think that would be less aero than if it were on the opposite side. |
this way cheaper chinese company makes U shaped carbon clinchers that can handle 160... |
Originally Posted by MarkWW
(Post 18784918)
https://hedcycling.com/track/track-wheels/volo
I was wondering how the new hed wheel dealt with the left hand drive of the new felt. Looks like it uses a White Industries splined cog. EDIT: I also find it interesting that the valve hole appears to end up on the left side of the hed discs on the new felt bike. You'd think that would be less aero than if it were on the opposite side. |
Originally Posted by carleton
(Post 18784450)
Nice!
http://brimages.bikeboardmedia.netdn...-rendering.jpg I"m glad to see that it's adjustable. Recall Bicycle Marketing 101 rule #1 : Mention that your new bike is lighter, stiffer, faster, and more aero than anything else. :D "Stiff" is mentioned 7 times in the Argon article. Felt mentions "fast" 8 times and "aero" 11 times :D I'm in the wrong business. |
Originally Posted by queerpunk
(Post 18785519)
I know a dude who worked on those wheels - we chatted at a party last night. WI splined cogs, lenticular discs, 28mm rim bed for some special tires made for this project.
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There's more friction when bending the chain around a small cog, so I don't see the need for a custom spine to support a 12t or 11t. I expect we'll see big cogs and big chainrings, while maintaining the gear ratio the rider needs. (Wiggins rode a 58-14 during the hour.)
Friction Facts: free speed from proper shifting - BikeRadar USA Friction Facts’ earlier study on rear derailleur pulley size suggested that larger-diameter chainrings and cogs would produce less friction than smaller ones, and this latest exercise confirms that hypothesis. Despite the fact that bigger chainrings and cogs create higher chain speed (which slightly increases friction), Friction Facts says the lower chain tension and reduced individual chain link rotation more than offset lower frictional losses overall. |
Originally Posted by WhatsYoCadence
(Post 18785060)
this way cheaper chinese company makes U shaped carbon clinchers that can handle 160...
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Originally Posted by brawlo
(Post 18788658)
If you have a look on the RH column, the recommended max is only 120PSI. If you want to run deep dish carbon on track, why bother with clinchers? Just go straight for tubs
At some point I'll move somewhere with a fancy track, but till then I'll be on deep clinchers. |
Originally Posted by WhatsYoCadence
(Post 18805715)
90% of my racing is at Kissena, where the track is in pretty rough shape. Not to mention I don't have a car- so I have to commute by bike a little each way off the train.
At some point I'll move somewhere with a fancy track, but till then I'll be on deep clinchers. http://singletrackworld.com/wp-conte...ackpack-on.jpg Use your street wheels to get you to the track as you carry your race wheels. |
Originally Posted by carleton
(Post 18806205)
This problem has already been solved:
http://singletrackworld.com/wp-conte...ackpack-on.jpg Use your street wheels to get you to the track as you carry your race wheels. |
Originally Posted by WhatsYoCadence
(Post 18806555)
Haha! No way am I bring race wheels, bike, AND all my other **** on the train.
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Originally Posted by carleton
(Post 18806769)
How much stuff do you need? The rest should fit in the backpack.
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Originally Posted by Jared.
(Post 18806943)
Wednesday, just before rush hour, on any train in the tri-state area...no thanks.
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Originally Posted by carleton
(Post 18806205)
This problem has already been solved:
http://singletrackworld.com/wp-conte...ackpack-on.jpg Use your street wheels to get you to the track as you carry your race wheels. |
British Cycling teases new Cervelo track bike ahead of Rio Olympics | road.cc
teaser of the new cervelo track bike. Probably exclusive to GB team for this year and public release for 2017. Look to atleast be usable with standard drop bars. Curious if the sprint squad will actually switch from their old superbike to the cervelo. My guess for the name is the T5. |
Originally Posted by Godsight
(Post 18814215)
British Cycling teases new Cervelo track bike ahead of Rio Olympics | road.cc
teaser of the new cervelo track bike. Probably exclusive to GB team for this year and public release for 2017. Look to atleast be usable with standard drop bars. Curious if the sprint squad will actually switch from their old superbike to the cervelo. My guess for the name is the T5. It's not red!!!! |
Originally Posted by carleton
(Post 18806205)
This problem has already been solved:
<<photo of ENVE backpack>> Rollers under the arm, everything else in/on the backpack, roll slowly through the side streets & the park. |
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Originally Posted by Godsight
(Post 18814215)
British Cycling teases new Cervelo track bike ahead of Rio Olympics | road.cc
teaser of the new cervelo track bike. Probably exclusive to GB team for this year and public release for 2017. Look to atleast be usable with standard drop bars. Curious if the sprint squad will actually switch from their old superbike to the cervelo. My guess for the name is the T5. |
Originally Posted by Koogar
(Post 18817416)
It will be interesting to see if Cervelo moves away from road TT geometry with this frame.....
I'm also willing to bet another dollar that the GB sprinters do not use this frame. http://cdn.mos.bikeradar.imdserve.co...m4-1400-80.jpg http://cdn.mos.bikeradar.imdserve.co...-1920-1080.jpg [le sigh] |
Someone on FB posted a picture of Phillip Hindes new Cervelo from his Instagram account so it appears to be a yes.
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