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jackbombay 06-30-20 11:52 AM

The Robin Hood was a bit of a mess, indicator chain broken off in the axle, and its an AW, no coaster brake, so there are no brakes on the bike.

dweenk 06-30-20 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by jackbombay (Post 21561906)
The Robin Hood was a bit of a mess, indicator chain broken off in the axle, and its an AW, no coaster brake, so there are no brakes on the bike.

Did you buy it? I think I have a pair of steel Raleigh calipers around here that are yours for shipping.

jackbombay 06-30-20 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by dweenk (Post 21561964)
Did you buy it? I think I have a pair of steel Raleigh calipers around here that are yours for shipping.

I didn't, thanks for the offer!

thumpism 06-30-20 07:03 PM

Nice! And cheap! Looks like a 23" frame. Rare silver/blue color. Seller didn't really try to find tires.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...09030779183718

https://scontent.fric1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...3c&oe=5F231717

thumpism 06-30-20 07:07 PM

Could this be a Lenton? Hard to tell through the grime.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...77729846761634

https://scontent.fric1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...e4&oe=5F2085C7

Salubrious 07-01-20 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 21562692)
Could this be a Lenton? Hard to tell through the grime.

Lentons had a different crank, pedals and wheels (the lack of an alloy hub in the front is a bit of a giveaway). This looks like a 60's Sports with Dynohub, dropped bars and a Brooks B17. Of course if it were a Lenton it would say so. The last of the Lentons is the 'Lenton Marque Three' which looks a bit more colorful than what you see on the downtube.

gster 07-03-20 05:05 AM


Originally Posted by PeterLYoung (Post 21559280)
I was given this bike by a gentleman in his eighties who told me he bought it new in 1948. He no longer can ride it and as I restored bikes he offered it to me for free. After taking a look at it I made him take a payment for it, a token payment really but fair as it was going to cost a lot to restore.

The Humber Beeston Clubman is the rarest of the trio of Clubman bikes made by Raleigh, the other two are the Lenton Clubman and the Rudge Aero Clubman.
It had a Sturmey Archer AM Medium Ratio 3 Speed but he said it had failed at some point and the bike shop swopped the innards for an AW Wide Ratio unit.
The bike had been adapted as he got older and the dropped bars changed for Straight Bars and the brakes changed for later Raleigh design as the originals had the fixed length with nipples both ends and the cables were obsolete. Also the rat-trap pedals were replaced with rubber tread ones. The 26 x 1-1/4. Dunlop Special Lightweight rims were shot having been dented and rusted.

So really I only had a frame, crank set and hubs (SA Casing for rear). From which to restore his bike to original condition.

The frame had been over-sprayed, covering the transfers in a thin film of blue paint. Fortunately there was enough present to photograph and dimension all the transfers to get new ones made. Lloyds made me a new set so I can get the frame refinished and transfers replaced.
The original bars and stem had been long discarded and the stem being the clamp type I had little hope of finding one, luckily and guy in Canada had a correct bars and stem and was happy to sell and ship to UK, fortunately they are in nice condition
The brakes were also tricky as for the Humber Fork Crown they have a special ferrule to fit between the crown plates, I bought several old sets from e-bay and between them I managed to make up a decent correct set. I have also managed to obtain some correct NOS cables.
The 3 Speed trigger on the bike was a mid-fifties type, not correct for 1948 . After much searching I obtained a NOS Model GC2 Trigger which was only made between 1948 & 1949, very rare as NOS.
I found a Sturmey Archer AM 3 Speed hub on e-bay but when I stripped it one of the planet gears and the axle sun gear were stripped, Colwood Wheelworks who happen to be close by supplied the damaged parts so I could rebuild it. In this 3 Speed the planet wheels have to be set using timing marks when re-assembling and this probably was the cause of the damage. I now also have a spare AM 3 Speed hub for spares if needed.
The wheels were 26 x 1-1/4 40 spoke rear and 32 front. I really wanted to fit the correct Dunlop Special Lightweight rims but these are rare as hens teeth. I attended Bike Jumbles and everyone I spoke to was also wanting them and having no luck. After about a year of looking a front 32 hole stainless one turned up on e-bay and I paid a large sum to get it, it arrived with its original factory wrapping paper still on it.
A few weeks later a rear chrome 40 hole one also NOS showed up and I grabbed that too and that was also still in its original wrapping. At a glance they look identical though stainless has a slightly different colour to the expert eye. The wheels are away being built and I am so pleased to have the correct rims. The chrome parts on the bike do have some corrosion on the visible surfaces but it is not too bad and white vinegar is eliminating the rust, with an oil coating they will be acceptable for re use. All the bearing surfaces are good and will be fine with new balls.
The Bottom Bracket is fine and I also have a NOS replacement set of Cups and Axle if needed.
I found a correct set of rat trap pedals also on e-bay.
Current state of play is the frame has to go to the re-finisher but with the Covid-19 situation I am not able to take it to them. This may change after July 4th when new rules come into play.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f851eeaaff.jpg
Humber Beeston Clubman as obtained.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4d1f34dfba.jpg
Pinch bolt type Headset.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...05d74bbda7.jpg
Original SA Wheel Wingnuts are all present as also all the mudguard (fender) quick release wing nuts/bolts.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8002e2ef0f.jpg
Bike with correct Bars, Stem, Brake Levers & Trigger Shifter fitted.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...87199df62.jpeg
Bike Stripped and parts treated for re use.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ce3f0c345.jpeg
Better view of bike parts showing correct Brakes and Pedals. Saddle has been well treated with Brooks Proofide and I hope to get to good enough condition for re-use.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e45a064e1e.png
This is the Sturmey Archer AM Hub, designed for Clubman Bikes. The Planet gears are duplex and need to be timed during re-assembly otherwise they are destroyed when the bike is ridden.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...beb0e48a3d.png
This is the GC2 Trigger Shifter only produced in 1948 & 1949.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1990e161a7.jpg
This is the GC2 that I obtained NOS.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c95ca8035a.png
Humber Beeston Catalogue 1948 Model 325 Literature/Specification.

Thanks for posting this.
I like te see the ongoing progress of these projects.

thumpism 07-03-20 06:03 PM

Not cheap, but looks very nice. And my size.

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oldveloman 07-04-20 12:44 PM

BSA 3 speed hub
 
Bought myself a NOS BSA 3-speed hub a few days ago.
The thread on the axle of the original one in my 1954 BSA Tourer was badly damaged when I bought it many years ago, but finally failed completely last month, and nearly lost its nut.
The damage can be seen in the picture below.
So I am pretty happy I found a new one, as these things are very hard to find over here...
As an added bonus: it has a longer axle.

Peter

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1c7100d453.jpg

BFisher 07-04-20 12:54 PM

Thought I'd share this here for you all. Neat old Hercules step through for sale.

https://lancaster.craigslist.org/bik...149254689.html

jackbombay 07-04-20 04:06 PM


Originally Posted by oldveloman (Post 21568993)
Bought myself a NOS BSA 3-speed hub a few days ago.
The thread on the axle of the original one in my 1954 BSA Tourer was badly damaged when I bought it many years ago, but finally failed completely last month, and nearly lost its nut.
The damage can be seen in the picture below.
So I am pretty happy I found a new one, as these things are very hard to find over here...
As an added bonus: it has a longer axle.

Peter

I would try to salvage the bad one by rethreading it to a smaller size for modern hardware, I wouldn't rule out imperial threading if metric die sizes are too big or too small, but it is likely difficult to find any imperial thread cutting equipment over there.

clubman 07-04-20 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by oldveloman (Post 21568993)
Bought myself a NOS BSA 3-speed hub a few days ago.
The thread on the axle of the original one in my 1954 BSA Tourer was badly damaged when I bought it many years ago, but finally failed completely last month, and nearly lost its nut.
The damage can be seen in the picture below.
So I am pretty happy I found a new one, as these things are very hard to find over here...
As an added bonus: it has a longer axle.

Peter

I'm surprised the axle thread failed and not the nut. Try to clean the old axle with a thread file. Axle nut's shouldn't be to hard to get

JJScaliger 07-04-20 07:23 PM

I just had an axle nut fail on me a couple of weeks ago when I switched tires. That sickening feeling of tightening but nothing happening. I was scared it was the axle, but just the nut.

billnuke1 07-04-20 08:07 PM

Just sold my Superbe, 23”...don’t miss it...gained a lot of room! I can now work on the three road bikes that have been stuck behind it!
Just two DL-1s and one Dunelt girls bike left and then no more old ass Raleighs!
I get my shop back!
By next Thursday I will have been offered and will have brought home at least two more old ass Raleighs!
Hopefully I’ll have the two of the
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f9048b7d1.jpeg
Handlebars have been grabbing my apron, shirt, and pants pockets for about week and a half Now...
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1080e97fa.jpeg
Elbow room! Red Bridgestone is done...Grand Tourismo is next...then the Grand Rally...
three projects done before that happens...

oldveloman 07-05-20 03:01 AM


Originally Posted by jackbombay (Post 21569324)
I would try to salvage the bad one by rethreading it to a smaller size for modern hardware, I wouldn't rule out imperial threading if metric die sizes are too big or too small, but it is likely difficult to find any imperial thread cutting equipment over there.

I was thinking the same, but there' s not much metal left. Axle diameter is also smaller than the Sturmey- ones.

Peter

oldveloman 07-05-20 03:07 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 21569505)
I'm surprised the axle thread failed and not the nut. Try to clean the old axle with a thread file. Axle nut's shouldn't be to hard to get

The nut is in fairly good condition. Finding a spare one will be near impossible, as these hubs are pretty rare over here, so the only option will be making a new one, if this one fails...

Peter

gster 07-05-20 07:23 AM

Raleigh Rodeo
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6b600eb640.jpg
These were re branded as Rodeo and sold through Beaver Hardware Stores here in Canada
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d7b45ef2a0.jpg
A busy beaver with his tool box.

jackbombay 07-05-20 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by oldveloman (Post 21569920)
I was thinking the same, but there' s not much metal left. Axle diameter is also smaller than the Sturmey- ones.

Peter

Put a larger nut over the axle first then put the proper nut on the axle so its tightening on axle threads that are still there? Or stack up some washers under the proper axle nut? Surely there are some useable threads further out on the axle, yea?

oldveloman 07-05-20 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by jackbombay (Post 21570231)
Put a larger nut over the axle first then put the proper nut on the axle so its tightening on axle threads that are still there? Or stack up some washers under the proper axle nut? Surely there are some useable threads further out on the axle, yea?

I am afraid that won' t work. The axle is barely long enough and the thread is horribly damaged. I will use the new hub and of course save all parts from the original hub, but I think the original axle is pretty useless. Welding up and cutting new thread might be an option if I ever need it, but I think - and hope - the new one will last forever :50:

Peter

arty dave 07-05-20 07:41 PM

Hi All, can I have some tyre advice/feedback/reviews? I'm ordering a part from Bike24 and thought I'd get some 28 x 1 1/2 tyres for a roadster project while I'm at it . I can only buy Kendas in Australia, but with the prices being comparable even with shipping, I can get something of better quality from Bike24. I was going to get some delta cruisers but they only have them in Creme and I want a black tyre. They stock the following in 28 x 1 1/2 that are in my price range:

Continental Ride Classic
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...50cb71d339.jpg
Schwalbe Marathon Performance
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...960a90976d.jpg
Continental RIDE Tour
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...056a68b601.jpg

BigChief 07-06-20 04:41 AM


Originally Posted by arty dave (Post 21571415)
Hi All, can I have some tyre advice/feedback/reviews? I'm ordering a part from Bike24 and thought I'd get some 28 x 1 1/2 tyres for a roadster project while I'm at it . I can only buy Kendas in Australia, but with the prices being comparable even with shipping, I can get something of better quality from Bike24. I was going to get some delta cruisers but they only have them in Creme and I want a black tyre. They stock the following in 28 x 1 1/2 that are in my price range:

Continental Ride Classic
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...50cb71d339.jpg
Schwalbe Marathon Performance
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...960a90976d.jpg
Continental RIDE Tour
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...056a68b601.jpg

I have those Conti Tour Rides on my DL-1. Bought them because they claim to be puncture resistant. An important feature for these bikes! I'm happy with them.

branko_76 07-06-20 05:22 AM

A dumpster find that I almost forgot about...

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e3a5dcb208.jpg

katzenfinch 07-06-20 06:23 AM

Barnaby
 
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...76169256a4.jpg
Last week a fried gave me the Rudge that hed had since he was 12 years of age. Other than the saddle, its in pretty good unrestored condition (a new B66 is on order). I look forward to the next Tweed Ride.

BigChief 07-06-20 08:01 AM


Originally Posted by branko_76 (Post 21571863)
A dumpster find that I almost forgot about...

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e3a5dcb208.jpg

Nice! That's an early one. Possibly even pre war. What date is stamped on the hub? Amazing that it has the original handlebar grips. Or at least the correct short style these bikes came with originally. Could you please post a close up of them? So few survive today that building up reference material is difficult. Original dual quill pedals too. Another rarity. That looks to be the very first style trigger shifter with the external spring. You're lucky if it's still there. They tend to get lost. Can't see in the photo. These require a special cable end and are more trouble to get working, but well worth the effort. Very, very nice bike.

BigChief 07-06-20 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by katzenfinch (Post 21571912)
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...76169256a4.jpg
Last week a fried gave me the Rudge that hed had since he was 12 years of age. Other than the saddle, its in pretty good unrestored condition (a new B66 is on order). I look forward to the next Tweed Ride.

I like this one. Always had a soft spot for Rudges. I don't see a 20-30 sticker on the seat tube, so I'll guess it's pre 1954. I have one just like it. My old legs didn't get along with the tall 48x18 gearing. It's a 1951 with a threaded cog on the AW hub. I had to swap out the threaded driver for a splined one so I could fit a 22T cog on the hub.


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...78c2a86125.jpg


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