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thumpism 03-22-21 09:17 AM

Not mine. Some guy on a motorcycle forum said he went by his local bike shop to pick up some patches and was given a bike being left out for scrappers, a Lenton with an S/A four-speed. I told him to post here but in case he doesn't...
https://advrider.com/f/attachments/i...y-jpg.2874471/

Ged117 03-22-21 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 21978985)
Not mine. Some guy on a motorcycle forum said he went by his local bike shop to pick up some patches and was given a bike being left out for scrappers, a Lenton with an S/A four-speed. I told him to post here but in case he doesn't...
https://advrider.com/f/attachments/i...y-jpg.2874471/


The SA four-speeds are excellent. I really like my FW and its useful for many situations at least in my part of the world with lazy rolling hills. Once its set up, its a great IGH - of course the lowest gear requires more tender use. I went with buying an alloy 50s FW instead of FM (medium-ratio 4sp) due to the FW's hardy internals, similar to an AW. Knock wood it hasn't let me down. The FM looks to be more temperamental. I'm currently building up a UK lightweight - a 1953ish Sun Wasp "Massed Start" 531 frame courtesy of a member here with this hub + dynohub front and other era-appropriate goodies for a weekend tourer. Spring is here!

cudak888 03-22-21 12:35 PM

Looks like an aluminum four too. Good for him, wish him luck!

-Kurt

Ghostknife 03-23-21 09:23 AM

Hey guys! Servicing the SA 3spd rear hub and found one of the planetary gears is goofed. Anyone know a source for new ones? Tires are on order and canít wait to ride this thing!
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bd330dc96.jpeg

markk900 03-23-21 09:34 AM

Fastest way is go to LBS and see if they have any old hubs in the back; you can always use spares. Otherwise google HSA 115 and lots of choices pop up.

cudak888 03-23-21 09:39 AM

Is it an AW? I have a spare. Yours for cost of shipping. PM me.

-Kurt

Ghostknife 03-23-21 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by markk900 (Post 21980878)
Fastest way is go to LBS and see if they have any old hubs in the back; you can always use spares. Otherwise google HSA 115 and lots of choices pop up.

thank you, just found the diagram as you replied.


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 21980885)
Is it an AW? I have a spare. Yours for cost of shipping. PM me.

-Kurt

Thank you for the offer! I ordered 4 from Harris Cyclery and just gunna keep the others as spares. I appreciate it though! I did end up scoring a 70s Schwinn Suburban for the Ol lady, she was jealous of my classic restoration lol.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5a56d63f7.jpeg

cudak888 03-23-21 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by Ghostknife (Post 21981094)
Thank you for the offer! I ordered 4 from Harris Cyclery and just gunna keep the others as spares. I appreciate it though! I did end up scoring a 70s Schwinn Suburban for the Ol lady, she was jealous of my classic restoration lol.

10-4 - if you find you need any other bits, let me know.

That Suburban would be a nice candidate for a Nexus 8-speed swap.

-Kurt

Ghostknife 03-23-21 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 21981817)
10-4 - if you find you need any other bits, let me know.

That Suburban would be a nice candidate for a Nexus 8-speed swap.

-Kurt

tomorrow will be the true test, pulling the crank to clean and expect, happen to have a couple cotter pins laying around? Haha

SirMike1983 03-23-21 09:11 PM

I'm a Sturmey FW fan as well. The bottom gear is nice to have. The S5 probably has a bigger fan base, but my preference are the FW and AW.

cudak888 03-23-21 09:14 PM


Originally Posted by Ghostknife (Post 21981824)
tomorrow will be the true test, pulling the crank to clean and expect, happen to have a couple cotter pins laying around? Haha

Don't believe I have any good spare cotters. Not sure if Mark Stonich from BikeSmithDesign.com still offers them.

-Kurt

Ghostknife 03-24-21 08:37 PM


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 21981984)
Don't believe I have any good spare cotters. Not sure if Mark Stonich from BikeSmithDesign.com still offers them.

-Kurt

I got the cotters out no problem, Repacked the bottom bracket and good to go. So both wheels are cleaned and greased, same with the bottom bracket. Still waiting on the tires to show up but got the suburban cleaned up a bit. In rougher shape than the pictures show. But it shifts and rides nice so no complaints for $50.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...77d72546d.jpeg

thumpism 03-25-21 05:39 PM

Tall Sports for cheap!!!

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...02817551175935

https://scontent.fric1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...d3&oe=6081E9CE

gster 03-27-21 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by Ghostknife (Post 21980856)
Hey guys! Servicing the SA 3spd rear hub and found one of the planetary gears is goofed. Anyone know a source for new ones? Tires are on order and canít wait to ride this thing!
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bd330dc96.jpeg

I agree, it's always good to have a couple of spare hubs for misc. parts
considering the ridiculous prices some are asking for a simple cog/spring etc.
New bike shops often throw them out..
Look out back.in the trash/bin.

gster 03-27-21 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by Ghostknife (Post 21980856)
Hey guys! Servicing the SA 3spd rear hub and found one of the planetary gears is goofed. Anyone know a source for new ones? Tires are on order and canít wait to ride this thing!
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bd330dc96.jpeg

Another example of a well meaning "mechanic" adjusting the hub and not leaving a little "play".
I've been guilty myself before I understood how they worked.

Unca_Sam 03-27-21 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21987309)
Another example of a well meaning "mechanic" adjusting the hub and not leaving a little "play".
I've been guilty myself before I understood how they worked.

I'm lost on what you mean here. What misadjustment leads to the planetary gears chewing on the ring gear or sun gear?

I remember the recommendation that the drive side cone have more play than usual, since the NDS cone is used to finalize the hub bearing adjustment (a trace of play to allow for axle nut compression). I don't remember admonitions about play when reassembling the internals; they always fit within tolerances. The biggest and easiest error is putting the low gear pawls backwards for infinite neutral! I learned that as long as the beveled side of the pawl faces the hub shell, it's good!

gster 03-27-21 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by Unca_Sam (Post 21987343)
I'm lost on what you mean here. I remember the recommendation that the drive side cone have more play than usual, since the NDS cone is used to finalize the hub bearing adjustment (a trace of play to allow for axle nut compression). I don't remember admonitions about play when reassembling the internals; they always fit within tolerances. The biggest and easiest error is putting the low gear pawls backwards for infinite neutral! I learned that as long as the beveled side of the pawl faces the hub shell, it's good!

I'm referring to the final cone adjustment. I've seen several hubs over the years that have been "reefed" on super tight.

gster 03-27-21 09:28 AM

I know that Raleigh folders were sold here in Canada rebranded as Canadian Tire Supercycles but here's an Eatons Road King version.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4002951538.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...db14ba4dd5.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bedafcb143.jpg
Previously, Eatons sold rebranded Raleighs as the "Glider" brand.
**I re read the ad and it says made in Hungary**

markk900 03-27-21 09:46 AM

gster I remember those - and that Shimano twist shifter is iconic! Gorgeous crank.

paulb_in_bkln 03-28-21 06:32 AM

Hello, I havenít looked in on this thread in a while, and I hope everyone is well, spared from Covid (please) and enjoying their rides. Iím getting plenty of enjoyable miles out of my three-speeds, the step-thru Sports in particular. Had a bit of a mystery problem with the BB, which turned out to be a worn-down fixed cup.

But lately my friend Max has posed a challenge. He doesnít want to get rid of his old Raleigh three speed, for reasons I wonít go into but understand, but insists he needs lower gears. He knows the cog can be swapped out for a bigger one, but he wants not just a lower low gear but more gears.

Is there a reasonably simple way to do this? I canít think of it. We might be able to find an old FW or S5 hub and shifter and have a new wheel built or swap the internals into the existing hub shell. But here in the USA, those hubs and 4 speed shifters are hard to come by. Max might also be dubious about spending on such old parts. I'd have to find out.

Max thinks he can buy a new five or eight speed hub off Amazon and have a wheel built with that, but Max doesnít know about overlocknut dimensions, rear triangle spacing, or the width of the slots in the rear dropout. SA offer a current 4 speed hub with 120 mm spacing, which at least isnít too far off, but would the slots need to be filed back?

Convert the bike to an old style 5 speed derailer bike. Used parts should be cheap and not hard to find. There must be a way to fix a derailer hanger to the dropout. Would need to swap the drive side crank to work with the narrower derailer chain, I think (not sure). But those slots would need filing, wouldn't they?

Maybe swap the front drive side crank for a two-ring from a derailer bike, add a front derailer and a rear chain tensioner?

Or add an extra sprocket and derailer to the existing AW hub. But thatís hardware from the old days. Again, very hard to find all that in the USA.
This one has me scratching my head.

rhenning 03-28-21 07:05 AM

When I was a kid in the 1960s I had a English 3 speed. By the time I was 16 I added front and rear derailleurs. I used 2 sprockets on the rear 3 speed hub and 2 front chain rings which gave me a total of 12 gears. By the time I went to collage I took it all off as all that extra weight wasn't worth it for riding around campus. Roger

paulb_in_bkln 03-28-21 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by rhenning (Post 21988400)
When I was a kid in the 1960s I had a English 3 speed. By the time I was 16 I added front and rear derailleurs. I used 2 sprockets on the rear 3 speed hub and 2 front chain rings which gave me a total of 12 gears. By the time I went to collage I took it all off as all that extra weight wasn't worth it for riding around campus. Roger

Maybe using two sprockets in the back on the existing AW along with a derailer is easier than I think it is.

Hproduguidon 03-28-21 11:54 AM

My bomber 1981

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d6d5500f1a.jpg

paulb_in_bkln 03-28-21 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by Hproduguidon (Post 21988823)

You can teach an old dog new tricks.

paulb_in_bkln 03-28-21 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by rhenning (Post 21988400)
When I was a kid in the 1960s I had a English 3 speed. By the time I was 16 I added front and rear derailleurs. I used 2 sprockets on the rear 3 speed hub and 2 front chain rings which gave me a total of 12 gears. By the time I went to collage I took it all off as all that extra weight wasn't worth it for riding around campus. Roger

You didn't use one of those Cyclo conversion things? Popped the two sprockets on the hub and held them in place with the regular circlip?


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