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carleton 01-09-19 03:22 AM

I think, from USADA's point of view, Grove doesn't deserve to keep his records and titles (even though he was the only participant) because he did have at least one PED in his system during competition and that automatically disqualifies you. The severity of the punishment is determined by the intent to cheat (or lack thereof).

It's reasonable that Grove didn't intend to cheat for the reasons stated above.

For me, the big takeaways are:

- Don't mess with pre-made stacks from supplement stores/websites.
- How the hell do I not eat meat??

700wheel 01-10-19 12:00 PM


Originally Posted by carleton (Post 20739088)
I think, from USADA's point of view, Grove doesn't deserve to keep his records and titles (even though he was the only participant) because he did have at least one PED in his system during competition and that automatically disqualifies you. The severity of the punishment is determined by the intent to cheat (or lack thereof).

It's reasonable that Grove didn't intend to cheat for the reasons stated above.

For me, the big takeaways are:

- Don't mess with pre-made stacks from supplement stores/websites.
- How the hell do I not eat meat??

Here are comments from USADA: https://www.velonews.com/2019/01/news/usada-ceo-90-year-olds-world-record-triggered-doping-test_482720?utm_source=VeloNews&utm_campaign=e1bc6c335a-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_01_09_11_34&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_7cbc7e57b1-e1bc6c335a-79498065&mc_cid=e1bc6c335a&mc_eid=b6273a20e9

jsk 01-11-19 05:02 PM

So, do you guys really think that it's reasonable for amateur athletes to be held to the same WADA testing standards as elites/pros? Should amateurs really have to worry about trace amounts of metabolites from some banned substance being in their food just to participate in their hobby? I can't help but wonder if the testing standards for amateurs shouldn't be relaxed a bit so that they can catch the blatant cheaters without testing for tiny trace amounts of every possible banned substance (many of which have questionable benefits at best).

I just find it a little absurd that this 90 year old is getting called a cheater or worse by people who didn't even bother to read the details of his case, just because he had liver for dinner the night before a race.

carleton 01-11-19 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by jsk (Post 20743506)
So, do you guys really think that it's reasonable for amateur athletes to be held to the same WADA testing standards as elites/pros? Should amateurs really have to worry about trace amounts of metabolites from some banned substance being in their food just to participate in their hobby? I can't help but wonder if the testing standards for amateurs shouldn't be relaxed a bit so that they can catch the blatant cheaters without testing for tiny trace amounts of every possible banned substance (many of which have questionable benefits at best).

I just find it a little absurd that this 90 year old is getting called a cheater or worse by people who didn't even bother to read the details of his case, just because he had liver for dinner the night before a race.

Depends on the league in which you race and the stakes at hand (pun intended). ATRA is a national track racing governing body that doesnít drug test...they also donít award World Records or National Championships.

taras0000 01-12-19 12:51 AM


Originally Posted by JuiceWillis (Post 20743524)
trenbelone has a half life of 2-3 days, he also popped for clomid which is used for anti-estrogen and post-cycle therapy. How do people still believe the "tainted food" or "tainted supplement" excuse? It stands to reason that he could have been micro-dosing tren, and did an injection prior to the 2nd test causing him to pop, which is why there were only trace amounts found on the second test and none on the first test. I mean hes 90 so who cares, but you don't pop for tren AND clomid because you ate something.

The trenbolone in meat is a very real thing. Cattle are fed Trenbolone pellets right up until they are shipped for slaughter. Sure trenbolone has a short half life, but that is an excretory half life, not a hlaf life due to chemical or elemental degradation. There is no withholding period for trenbolone acetate because of it's very short half life, unlike anitbiotics and other pharmaceuticals used in veternary treatment. So if a cattle is slaughtered that has been administered trenbolone before transport, it will have trenbolone and epitrenbolone within it's blood stream and muscles. Once slaughtered, these chemicals are "locked in" as the animal is no longer metabolizing and excreting these substances, because it's dead.

Secondly, taking an injection of trenbolone mid competition would actually hinder performance, as trenbolone is injected with a carrier oil (trenbolone acetate). This oil is carried into the blood stream and makes it to the users lungs where the body tries to get rid of it. Trenbolone also facilitates the release and activation of prostoglandins which have an infammatory effect on the lungs, as well as causing vasoconstricton in the bronchus. These add up to symptoms known as Tren Cough. It causes respiratory distress and hypoxemia in users, which is why it would be stupid for an endurance athlete to take this mid competition. So while it's a great drug for bodybuilders, it's a horrible choice for any athlete that requires any aerobic work in their training.

Thirdly, the Clomiphene never showed up in any of his bio samples, it was found to be contaminating one of the supplements that the athlete submitted to USADA for testing. He never got "popped" for Clomiphene.

ALANB58 01-12-19 01:00 AM

Here is an interesting article on Tren, actually there are a lot of them if you search, https://ironjunkies.com/trenbolone-review
Perhaps he cheats, if I can do what he is doing at 90 by any means possible, I will be exceeding my personal expectations.

taras0000 01-12-19 01:16 PM

Riding the Hour from a layperson's perspective.


FinkFloyd 01-13-19 04:34 AM

I saw that video yesterday - very well presented, I thought. Provides a good explanation of the difficulties of the Hour record whilst simultaneously explaining how the advances made recently have been made (Bradley Wiggins' ability to hold 440W for 1 hour is extraordinary). Boardman's 'Superman' record shows that the aero does make the difference, though; if he could get over 56km with that position, it's clearly worth something. Cycling Weekly had an article recently where they got Graeme Obree into a wind tunnel to test the drag coefficient of the present-day aero position compared with the Superman and Obree's original 'no hands' position - apparently the 'no hands' position is still the most aero available.

Baby Puke 01-13-19 08:04 PM

Is the UK Revolution Series dead?? Can't find anything less than a year old on the web.

Poppit 01-14-19 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by Baby Puke (Post 20746636)
Is the UK Revolution Series dead?? Can't find anything less than a year old on the web.

Yep

Baby Puke 01-14-19 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by Poppit (Post 20747397)

Yep

Wow, that's a shame. It seemed really popular and successful with spectators, any idea what went wrong?

Huskey 01-15-19 01:10 AM

Cycling Australia teaming up with Zipp for 2020.
I'm guessing it's a similar deal to the BT/Argon 18, Mavic either provide the wheels for free or for a level of payment but Zipp are will to pay CA to use their wheels.

http://www.australiancyclingteam.com...IwTudqGeMKitVs

carleton 01-15-19 01:39 AM


Originally Posted by Huskey (Post 20748554)
Cycling Australia teaming up with Zipp for 2020.
I'm guessing it's a similar deal to the BT/Argon 18, Mavic either provide the wheels for free or for a level of payment but Zipp are will to pay CA to use their wheels.

http://www.australiancyclingteam.com...IwTudqGeMKitVs



https://www.australiancyclingteam.co...-5210_orig.jpg

Cycling Australia is excited to be partnering with wheel manufacturer Zipp as our official supplier through to the Tokyo 2020 Olympic Games.

Zipp will provide front and rear disc wheels for the Argon 18 frames to the Australian Cycling Team as it strives for gold at the Tokyo 2020 Games.
Excellent.

Now that Zipp has their attention, maybe Zipp engineers can prove to them that the 808 is as fast (if not faster) than the Mavic Io.

Recall that Zipp publishes wind tunnel tests...Mavic does not.

Baby Puke 01-15-19 02:07 AM

...and maybe they can put their front disc back in production?

gycho77 01-15-19 02:23 AM

To me the carbon track crankset catches my eyes.
i think itís made by automotive manufacturer
bf1systems
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...37324cc746.png

carleton 01-15-19 03:09 AM


Originally Posted by gycho77 (Post 20748568)
To me the carbon track crankset catches my eyes.
i think itís made by automotive manufacturer
bf1systems
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...37324cc746.png

Yes. I believe this is the same company (and cranks?) used by Team GB in the London Olympics:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012...22_634x417.jpg

http://www.bf1systems.com/product/tr...d-aero-cranks/


These force measurement cranks were designed from the ground-up as cranks which were to be instrumented, and had to survive the highest loads seen anywhere in cycling, during the standing start of a velodrome race.

Each crank is capable of measuring the torque and force applied to it, along with its position, and transmits this wirelessly at 192Hz to the receiver mounted on the bike.

An internally mounted battery powers each crank, providing approximately 7 hours of continual use.

Status LEDs on the cranks provide the user with information on the current status of each crank arm.
My guess is that with only 7hrs of use per charge, they must be transmitting data very frequently. I would love to see one of the files :D

gycho77 01-15-19 04:32 AM

192hz!!!
thatís crazy number.
i thought it was a normal carbon track crank
i wonder how they collect the data without custom headunit.



Originally Posted by carleton (Post 20748579)
Yes. I believe this is the same company (and cranks?) used by Team GB in the London Olympics:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012...22_634x417.jpg

Track Cycling Instrumented Aero Cranks | bf1systems



My guess is that with only 7hrs of use per charge, they must be transmitting data very frequently. I would love to see one of the files :D


ruudlaff 01-16-19 03:45 AM


Originally Posted by carleton (Post 20748563)
Excellent.

Now that Zipp has their attention, maybe Zipp engineers can prove to them that the 808 is as fast (if not faster) than the Mavic Io.

Recall that Zipp publishes wind tunnel tests...Mavic does not.

I noticed in the press release how precisely they mentioned the disc element of it...leading me to think that for bunch racing and sprint it would be an alternative supplier providing the 5 spoke rather than the Zipp 808?

carleton 01-16-19 08:24 AM


Originally Posted by ruudlaff (Post 20750308)
I noticed in the press release how precisely they mentioned the disc element of it...leading me to think that for bunch racing and sprint it would be an alternative supplier providing the 5 spoke rather than the Zipp 808?

Yeah, I noticed that, too. You are probably right.

700wheel 01-16-19 08:51 AM

World Cup V starts Friday in Cambridge, NZ (Or Thursday in the USA at 1:00 pm MST)
TISSOT UCI TRACK CYCLING WORLD CUP V | Tissot Timing

Poppit 01-16-19 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by Baby Puke (Post 20747970)
Wow, that's a shame. It seemed really popular and successful with spectators, any idea what went wrong?

The Face Partnership that used to run it went bust and that seemed to be the end of it.

benjovland 01-17-19 08:47 AM

Looks like the Olympic Channel is streaming the NZ WC this weekend: olympicchannel.com/en/events/detail/2019-uci-track-cycling-world-cup-cambridge/

taras0000 01-17-19 11:27 AM

Ottawa area trackie Brent Atkins has made himself an interesting start gate for training

In use​​​​
Build walk through

Morelock 01-17-19 12:59 PM

that's pretty sweet

sergioflorez 01-18-19 12:52 AM

new cervelo track bike?

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d81233366b.jpg


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