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gycho77 06-03-16 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SprintzNKiloz (Post 18817720)
Someone on FB posted a picture of Phillip Hindes new Cervelo from his Instagram account so it appears to be a yes.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=525124 yup you are correct.
Carleton has to give to give us money now lol

Bulldogsprinter 06-03-16 07:17 AM

GBs chance for team sprint gold went from bad to worse...

SprintzNKiloz 06-03-16 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by gycho77 (Post 18817725)
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=525124 yup you are correct.
Carleton has to give to give us money now lol

YAY MONEY! I like money

SprintzNKiloz 06-03-16 08:24 AM


Originally Posted by Bulldogsprinter (Post 18817809)
GBs chance for team sprint gold went from bad to worse...

Not a cervelo fan?

Bulldogsprinter 06-03-16 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by SprintzNKiloz (Post 18818015)
Not a cervelo fan?

At least older models were no good for sprinting and the new T5 has pursuit written all over it. Also trying a new bike at his point in the Olympic cycle is like shooting yourself in the foot(not so much in pursuit). I'd be really surprised if Jason Kenny didn't ride his old bike for the Match sprint and Keirin. Cervelo is not a bike for me, but don't have anything else against it.

Koogar 06-03-16 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by Bulldogsprinter (Post 18818027)
... and the new T5 has pursuit written all over it.

Hey, this is likely an improvement - the T4 had road written all over it!

Bulldogsprinter 06-03-16 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by Koogar (Post 18818040)
Hey, this is likely an improvement - the T4 had road written all over it!

That's true. New bike looks a bit like Avantis Pista Evo 2 but goofier saddle. The Avanti is a good bike, but I I wouldn't choose it for a sprinter.

gycho77 06-03-16 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by SprintzNKiloz (Post 18818012)
YAY MONEY! I like money

who hates money.
Money = new bike parts

carleton 06-03-16 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by gycho77 (Post 18817725)
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=525124 yup you are correct.
Carleton has to give to give us money now lol

Hahahaha. Fine. Where do I send $1? :D


Originally Posted by Bulldogsprinter (Post 18817809)
GBs chance for team sprint gold went from bad to worse...

Agreed.

Flatballer 06-03-16 09:25 AM

1. That looks like a pursuit bike for sure
2. That bike is extremely ugly

gycho77 06-03-16 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by carleton (Post 18818195)
Hahahaha. Fine. Where do I send $1? :D

In your handlebar, so your handlebar will be like a swear jar haha

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Planet X is testing 5spoke and 3spoke wheel.
https://instagram.com/p/BGMgNaghwUY/

Also if you live near T.Town, go to T.Town and meet SHANE PERKINS!!!!!
He is racing tonight.

carleton 06-03-16 02:46 PM


Originally Posted by gycho77 (Post 18819094)
In your handlebar, so your handlebar will be like a swear jar haha

Hahahahaha.

brawlo 06-05-16 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by gycho77 (Post 18817725)
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=525124 yup you are correct.
Carleton has to give to give us money now lol

There's also a short vid of them doing a standing start on his instagram

gycho77 06-09-16 02:44 PM

https://youtu.be/Bq632S8DIRE
US Felt track bike has really strange dropout design

carleton 06-09-16 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by gycho77 (Post 18833136)
https://youtu.be/Bq632S8DIRE
US Felt track bike has really strange dropout design

Thanks for the link.

Interesting to note:

They are using the Stages power meter. Not sure if it's on one arm or two. If they are pushing the IBM power analysis thing, I'd imagine that they'd want the meter on both crank arms. But, I wouldn't be surprised if it's still just on one.

http://i.imgur.com/PJcMfjQ.png

Looks like they are using the wedge design that we've talked about from the BMX world:

http://i.imgur.com/RLs4ti6.jpg

The craziest part? The ends are not open. This means that you can't use normal track hubs. You have to use the hubs that accept track bolts. You might have to use their specific bolt because it seems like the washer may be custom for that bolt.

Same for the fork:

http://i.imgur.com/40be9o9.png

Co1Ev 06-09-16 04:10 PM


Originally Posted by carleton (Post 18833292)
The craziest part? The ends are not open. This means that you can't use normal track hubs. You have to use the hubs that accept track bolts. You might have to use their specific bolt because it seems like the washer may be custom for that bolt.

Same for the fork:

S00per marginal aero gainz.

Phil Hindes has started to upload daily (or almost daily) vlogs to his youtube channel, for those who may be interested. I hardly imagine he'll be going into in-depth training strategies and such, but it might give some interesting insight: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3-...8vjCUqzrLnnNsQ

gycho77 06-09-16 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by carleton (Post 18833292)
Thanks for the link.

Interesting to note:

They are using the Stages power meter. Not sure if it's on one arm or two. If they are pushing the IBM power analysis thing, I'd imagine that they'd want the meter on both crank arms. But, I wouldn't be surprised if it's still just on one.

http://i.imgur.com/PJcMfjQ.png

I am pretty sure that they are using only one stages power meter.
it's almost impossible to fit stages power meter between the crank arm and chainring
Look at this clearance.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=526418

Godsight 06-09-16 06:24 PM

"The bikes use dual-sensor Stages power meters that capture data at 64hz meaning 64 times a second at a wide range of cadences (10-220rpm) and power outputs (1-2,999w)." from the bikeradar article

carleton 06-09-16 10:24 PM


Originally Posted by Godsight (Post 18833598)
"The bikes use dual-sensor Stages power meters that capture data at 64hz — meaning 64 times a second — at a wide range of cadences (10-220rpm) and power outputs (1-2,999w)." from the bikeradar article

That's awesome!

The consumer units should do the same. I understand that roadies may not need such high frequency recording. But, if you are gonna analyze track files, it's very useful.

carleton 06-09-16 10:30 PM

Here's something interesting to note:

It seems that Teams USA and GB got new bikes 2 months before the Olympics. That pretty much means that they won't get any new bikes if these don't perform well.

Think about how long it takes to get used to a new bike. Then what if they have to do that for this new bike and the rear end is too flexy or the angles are not to the athlete's liking and they order a new one. You'll have to wait 2, 3, 4 weeks? Then try again.

I never liked the idea of getting new gear just before the Olympics. Hopefully they have been testing these for months.

brawlo 06-09-16 11:04 PM


Originally Posted by carleton (Post 18833292)
The craziest part? The ends are not open. This means that you can't use normal track hubs. You have to use the hubs that accept track bolts. You might have to use their specific bolt because it seems like the washer may be custom for that bolt

Don't forget that those hubs are a custom width, as is the frame dropout spacings (do you still call them dropouts???) so no standard hub would fit anyway.


Originally Posted by carleton (Post 18834030)
Here's something interesting to note:

It seems that Teams USA and GB got new bikes 2 months before the Olympics. That pretty much means that they won't get any new bikes if these don't perform well.

Think about how long it takes to get used to a new bike. Then what if they have to do that for this new bike and the rear end is too flexy or the angles are not to the athlete's liking and they order a new one. You'll have to wait 2, 3, 4 weeks? Then try again.

I never liked the idea of getting new gear just before the Olympics. Hopefully they have been testing these for months.

These things are developed over time, and without a doubt the riders, or at least the key performers, have seen a lot of them through their development. Us, the general public just haven't seen them. I had the opportunity to chat a guy that was involved in the development of the 3T scattos and they were being used and developed for a long time before we the public laid eyes on them

Bulldogsprinter 06-10-16 12:38 AM


Originally Posted by carleton (Post 18834030)
Here's something interesting to note:

It seems that Teams USA and GB got new bikes 2 months before the Olympics. That pretty much means that they won't get any new bikes if these don't perform well.

Think about how long it takes to get used to a new bike. Then what if they have to do that for this new bike and the rear end is too flexy or the angles are not to the athlete's liking and they order a new one. You'll have to wait 2, 3, 4 weeks? Then try again.

I never liked the idea of getting new gear just before the Olympics. Hopefully they have been testing these for months.


If I understand correctly team US(well women's team pursuit) has been a part of the development of the new Felt, but I feel really sorry for team GBs sprinters. "-Here's your new pursuit bike. -But, but I'm a sprinter! -Well tough, deal with it!" I'll be really surprised if Kenny rides the match sprint and Keirin with the new bike, no time to get used to it.

carleton 06-10-16 01:32 AM


Originally Posted by Bulldogsprinter (Post 18834154)
If I understand correctly team US(well women's team pursuit) has been a part of the development of the new Felt, but I feel really sorry for team GBs sprinters. "-Here's your new pursuit bike. -But, but I'm a sprinter! -Well tough, deal with it!" I'll be really surprised if Kenny rides the match sprint and Keirin with the new bike, no time to get used to it.

It has happened before.

Rebecca Twigg (USA) refused to ride the GT Superbike in the 1996 Olympics:

Technology: Flop, Flop, Fizzle, Fizzle | Outside Online


At last summer's Olympics, gold-medal favorite Rebecca Twigg refused to pilot Superbike II, the wondersteed that was to prove America's technological prowess to the world, saying it handled horribly on the track. In the end, USA Cycling's $5 million Project '96 resulted in just one paltry silver medal. How could we have spent the GDP of a small island nation on such a dismal flop? The fun is in the details.

First, there was the matter of the bike's ultrathin frame. Aerodynamic, to be sure. But five weeks before the Games, members of the pursuit team heard a...troubling sound during a test ride. Seems one of the vaunted frames had cracked. "We had a high-stress area," admits engineer Scott Gordon.

Twigg complained that she didn't receive her bike early enough to test it.
LOTS of fingers were pointed:


Still, there are those who say that the project was a success. After all, Superbike II produced the Americans' fastest times ever. "To believe the bicycle was going to make the complete difference was illusion," says its designer, Forrest Yelverton. "We have the best bicycle on the planet. We didn't have the best athletes." And so we come to the bottom line: The Superbike squad--with only two real contenders (Twigg and time-trial silver medalist Erin Hartwell) and such fossils as 43-year-old Kent Bostick--had little hope to begin with. "Everybody says the project was a disaster, but we got what we deserved," Bostick says. "We need a better pool of athletes, so somebody like me doesn't win the trials."
OUCH!!

*Note: Back then, they had Olympic Trial events where if you won, you earned a spot on the Olympic team.

More:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Twigg


The federation had invested in the development of the so-called SuperBike. Twigg, after using the bike earlier in the Games, refused to ride it, citing poor individual fit and claiming that pressure from the staff on her to use the SuperBike and their refusal to grant accreditation to her personal coach, Eddie Borysewicz, left her defocused.
I think this was the bike she rode before being offered the Superbike:

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_4Z4MSCQ6p...ecca+Twigg.jpg

Look familiar? :D

carleton 06-10-16 01:38 AM

Further:

WashingtonPost.com: Best U.S. Cyclist Quits Team


Twigg won a bronze medal in the individual pursuit in Barcelona and a silver in the road race at the 1984 Olympics in Los Angeles. She was a heavy favorite in the individual pursuit in Atlanta after winning the world championship last year in world-record time.

She ran a discouraging race on her new SuperBike, however, and ditched the high-tech creation for her second heat. She fared no better on a conventional bike, failing to advance from Friday's quarterfinal round.

``I wasn't focused,'' Twigg said, blaming problems with her bicycle and frustrations with the U.S. Cycling Federation over its refusal to allow her personal coach to be with her at the games.

Afterward, Carmichael said he couldn't fathom how Twigg could start training in April for a race in July. He acknowledged he was ultimately responsible for his athletes, but said: ``You can't force riders to do things they don't want to.''

Twigg was infuriated.

``They've got to come up with some excuses'' she said, referring to the U.S. team's mostly dismal showing at the Olympics despite its multimillion-dollar training and technology program that produced the SuperBike.

Twigg criticized the bicycle, billed as the best on the planet. She said it wasn't properly custom-fit, and a second one was flown in the day before her competition.

queerpunk 06-10-16 07:52 AM

I saw pictures of the new Felts under Team USA about two or three months ago. It was a teaser shot from the handlebars up and I knew something was up because I saw some very proprietary handlebars - and when the TA/FRD was unveiled it all made sense. So they've been getting used to them for a while.

Also about that trackend design - the rear spacing is only 95mm, so one DEFINITELY can't use other wheels in that bike!

SprintzNKiloz 06-10-16 09:28 AM

Now I'm curious after reading the super bike post - whatever happened to those frames? Hanging in museums somewhere? Private collection?

carleton 06-10-16 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by SprintzNKiloz (Post 18834830)
Now I'm curious after reading the super bike post - whatever happened to those frames? Hanging in museums somewhere? Private collection?

Bingo.

I saw one in person at USA Cycling Headquarters in Colorado Springs.

For those wondering, here's what they look like. I think each one was custom for the rider.

https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5168...f6a2da5c_z.jpg

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b7...D550/ry%3D400/

http://orig12.deviantart.net/7822/f/...or-d3cygb6.jpg

carleton 06-10-16 10:05 AM

It has no top tube and no seat stays, which I suspect made it flexy.

Mr. Tiemeyer told me that the legs make a lot of turbulence, so removing the top tube cleaned up a lot of that.

The chainring is carbon fiber :D I think the bottom bracket was more narrow than standard, as well.

SprintzNKiloz 06-10-16 01:29 PM

Holy crap! I didn't notice the no chainstays feature until you just mentioned it.

gycho77 06-10-16 02:47 PM

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New FES track sprinter frame.
It looks ugly, but i'm sure it's better than Cervelo T5 lol
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=526687
Also the front wheel bolt reminds me of US Felt track bike.


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