Be Careful Out There!
Have you seen this video of a car taking out a cyclist at high speed? The very, VERY lucky rider scampers away after being dragged by the car. The bike is totally mangled.
Video shows shocking hit-and-run crash in Silver Lake area; bicyclist seen getting dragged at Glendale and Alessandro - ABC7 Los Angeles DUDES, be safe! |
Thread moved from C&V to A&S.
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I doubt that any of us think we are not being safe when we ride or otherwise acting within our ability.
Sorry, no time to watch the vid. |
I'm going to make a preemptive plea--can we please be spared the inevitably pointless debate about where in the lane the cyclist should have been to avoid this? Second-guessing with hindsight is easy, especially when you can't go back to the event and test whether your option would have worked. Somebody got hurt, exploiting that to make some unproveable point is really disgusting.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
(Post 22397244)
I'm going to make a preemptive plea--can we please be spared the inevitably pointless debate about where in the lane the cyclist should have been to avoid this? Second-guessing with hindsight is easy, especially when you can't go back to the event and test whether your option would have worked. Somebody got hurt, exploiting that to make some unproveable point is really disgusting.
I was very critical of that bike rider in that thread, because he obviously did something very stupid, which I know I would never had done. However, WRT this incident. That cyclist, that I can see, did nothing wrong. That could easily had been me. It seems obvious to me that the driver, very likely, did this on purpose. . |
Originally Posted by work4bike
(Post 22397308)
Your plea very much reminds me of the discussion many of us had in this thread https://www.bikeforums.net/advocacy-...bike-lane.html
I was very critical of that bike rider in that thread, because he obviously did something very stupid, which I know I would never had done. However, WRT this incident. That cyclist, that I can see, did nothing wrong. That could easily had been me. It seems obvious to me that the driver, very likely, did this on purpose. . Yes, I thought that Lyft conversation went right off the rails. I really have no interest in rehashing it. |
Originally Posted by livedarklions
(Post 22397321)
I actually wish you hadn't posted this because it invites someone to take that video apart to try to "prove" the counter-factual hypothetical "if he had been a foot to the left" kind of argument.
Originally Posted by livedarklions
(Post 22397321)
....I really have no interest in rehashing it. . |
The Hyundai was further left in the lane and moved right to hit the cyclist, so that makes me think it was deliberate. You can also see the front end had pre-existing damage, so my guess is this wasn't the first time the motorist performed a hit-and-run.
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Originally Posted by work4bike
(Post 22397492)
I welcome that, maybe they will point something out that I missed, or I can simply debate others' with differing points of view, even yours:eek: I don't want to participate in a forum that's no more than an echo chamber. You know...free speech, lively debate and all that:)
Nor I. . It's not a matter of debate vs. echo chamber, it's a matter of having the same stupid argument taking apart an actual crash over and over. These threads are BF's version of Groundhog Day. News Flash: No one cares who we think was at fault. |
Originally Posted by livedarklions
(Post 22398277)
It's not a matter of debate vs. echo chamber, it's a matter of having the same stupid argument taking apart an actual crash over and over. These threads are BF's version of Groundhog Day.
News Flash: No one cares who we think was at fault. BTW, the same argument can be said for all forums on this website and all other websites. There are tons of repeat threads, but every once in a while you get a good thread. I don't know how to fix that. I just deal with it. No high blood pressure here:) . |
Originally Posted by JW Fas
(Post 22397627)
The Hyundai was further left in the lane and moved right to hit the cyclist, so that makes me think it was deliberate. You can also see the front end had pre-existing damage, so my guess is this wasn't the first time the motorist performed a hit-and-run.
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Originally Posted by work4bike
(Post 22398293)
When I was in the navy I loved to read mishap reports, that way I could make sure I was practicing the best methods to prevent accidents. It's the same thing with reading posts in this forum, which I find as one of the most valuable forums on this website. However, it's true that sometimes there are just repeat mistakes in this forum that don't really add much, but the same could be said for many of the mishap reports I read while in the navy. That's just the nature of the beast.
BTW, the same argument can be said for all forums on this website and all other websites. There are tons of repeat threads, but every once in a while you get a good thread. I don't know how to fix that. I just deal with it. No high blood pressure here:) . I'm not going to go over and over the same ground I've covered in multiple threads, but I find this more than just repetitive, it's actually offensive. I agree that accident investigation is important process for improving safety, but that's not a bunch of amateurs taking sketchy evidence and arguing their pet theories of what always causes X in this situation or publicly stating that their technique is so clearly superior to the maimed rider that this could never happen to them. I think using real injured and killed people's misfortunes for these rhetorical purposes is pretty disgusting. I don't think people are learning from these threads as all they generally do is engage in confirmation bias and argue about what the facts are to make them fit their preferred scenario. I've said it before--if you seriously want to have a conversation about what to do in X situation, create a hypothetical incident where you determine what the facts actually are. You can say "the driver's intentionally gunning for you" or "the driver is on the cell phone" or "I'm this far into the lane" or whatever, and that's the fact pattern we're discussing. Totally avoids having to look at whether some actual person is somehow to blame for their own demise which we really have no legitimate business opining about. . |
but then you "go over it" anyway?
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Originally Posted by blacknbluebikes
(Post 22398607)
but then you "go over it" anyway?
The "and over" part will not follow. |
Having looked around on streetview, my biggest takeaway is that I'd hate to feel like I had to take that route.
I fault the driver for fleeing, but with the highway offramp joining up from from right just after an underpass, this is just a horrible streetscape to have to try to ride through. What's really needed is a viable connection between tamer streets. |
This is one of the worst case scenarios that all cyclists are afraid of. Please note that the cyclist walked away. Text of article says he sustained minor injuries. I will hope the adjective ‘minor’ is correct.
My experience with that kind of hit is the bicycle is normally or usually thrown clear. Thinking about being dragged or pulled into wheel well is the sort of thing that wakes you up at night. High chance here the previous body damage snagged the victim. Huge kudos to that cyclist. He looks light and limber on the bike. This could have been a very very bad accident. No way to know if the cyclists’ action after impact were active or passive. Unless it were possible to ask him. I will think his actions contributed a lot to surviving that impact. i have been hit that way too many times. Without the dragging. Still grateful to Providence to be here. Very much doubt that in old age I would walk away again. When I am next hit the image of the brilliant riding in that video will be in front of me. |
Originally Posted by 63rickert
(Post 22398748)
This is one of the worst case scenarios that all cyclists are afraid of. Please note that the cyclist walked away. Text of article says he sustained minor injuries. I will hope the adjective ‘minor’ is correct.
My experience with that kind of hit is the bicycle is normally or usually thrown clear. Thinking about being dragged or pulled into wheel well is the sort of thing that wakes you up at night. High chance here the previous body damage snagged the victim. Huge kudos to that cyclist. He looks light and limber on the bike. This could have been a very very bad accident. No way to know if the cyclists’ action after impact were active or passive. Unless it were possible to ask him. I will think his actions contributed a lot to surviving that impact. i have been hit that way too many times. Without the dragging. Still grateful to Providence to be here. Very much doubt that in old age I would walk away again. When I am next hit the image of the brilliant riding in that video will be in front of me. Put me down for voting that you keep riding for a long time without ever having a next hit. |
Originally Posted by livedarklions
(Post 22398484)
I'm not going to go over and over the same ground I've covered in multiple threads, ...
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Originally Posted by Daniel4
(Post 22400658)
Can this thread be saved? There's always the same handful of people stating the same things over and over again.
These damn video and headline threads are the same thing over and over again. There's nothing worth saving. |
Originally Posted by work4bike
(Post 22397492)
I welcome that, maybe they will point something out that I missed, or I can simply debate others' with differing points of view, even yours:eek: I don't want to participate in a forum that's no more than an echo chamber. You know...free speech, lively debate and all that:)
Nor I. . But some members seem to come here for a different purpose :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by holytrousers
(Post 22401278)
Exactly: That's one of the reasons this forum exists, so we can exchange ideas and strategies to avoid similar situations.
But some members seem to come here for a different purpose :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by Daniel4
(Post 22401330)
Just goes to show you that incidences aren't one-off. They occur over and over again.
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Wow, poor dude
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
(Post 22397244)
I'm going to make a preemptive plea--can we please be spared the inevitably pointless debate about where in the lane the cyclist should have been to avoid this? Second-guessing with hindsight is easy, especially when you can't go back to the event and test whether your option would have worked. Somebody got hurt, exploiting that to make some unproveable point is really disgusting.
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