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JohnDThompson 12-28-11 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by ultraman6970 (Post 13642188)
ps: the only issue I find with the stitcher device is the type of stitch it does. Anybody is actually using it??

Yes, I use it.

It creates a locked stitch, just like a sewing machine:

http://youtu.be/yNFMzAEW0V0

lotek 12-28-11 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by RobbieTunes (Post 13644488)
I am.

I like the look of some modern wheels, so I'm going to see if I can find those Wolber TX Profile aero tubular rims.
Spoke count is always the problem, and the obstacle.
. . .

I have a pair of Wolber Profile A tubular rims. Problem is they have hidden spoke nipples and I don't have the
washers or nipples. Been looking for those for yonks (as my South African friends would say).

sisddwg 12-29-11 11:11 AM

Do you unfold and refold your spare between rides or do you leave them folded on the bike?

Scooper 12-29-11 12:28 PM

I gave in and went with tubular for the wheels on my 1940 Paramount; clinchers just wouldn't have been right on this frame. I built the wheels myself using NOS Mavic rims, Campy Record high flange pista hubs, and DT Swiss double-butted Competition stainless spokes laced 3-cross. Tires are Vittoria Pista CS 622-22.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7...CIMG7241cr.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7...IMG7242med.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7...icRimLabel.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7...toriaLabel.jpg

ultraman6970 12-29-11 04:24 PM

Back in the day tubulars were made of natural fibers so they had the tendency to expand more than they do now. I got the bad custom sine back in the day, that's why i was asking. I noticed the stuff last longer this way.


Originally Posted by Road Fan (Post 13647550)
Not sure if I'm and old-enough timer for you, but I've never had the custom of removing the air. Not sure what the benefit would be, considering potential stress on the valve and the valve to innertube bond.


Bianchigirll 03-04-12 05:35 PM

Does anyone use the TUFO sealant? I have not even looked at the stuff since it was Genie Juice back in.... well some time ago.

I got a bottle from Yellow Jersey and while I expected a bit of trouble putting it in a tubular without a removable valve, I found I could hardly get the stuff out of the bottle at all. I trimmed the neck/nipple/spout whatever you call it but nothing came out. I stuck a spoke in to make sure it was clear and the neck came off when I pulled the spoke out. Along with it came this nasty looking brown spongy stuff that looked like something from the medical channel. There was some liquid in the bottle but I just could not get it to come out. did I get bad bottle or is this normal?

Road Fan 03-04-12 06:00 PM

Beautiful, Scooper!

Road Fan 03-04-12 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by Bianchigirll (Post 13930960)
Does anyone use the TUFO sealant? I have not even looked at the stuff since it was Genie Juice back in.... well some time ago.

I got a bottle from Yellow Jersey and while I expected a bit of trouble putting it in a tubular without a removable valve, I found I could hardly get the stuff out of the bottle at all. I trimmed the neck/nipple/spout whatever you call it but nothing came out. I stuck a spoke in to make sure it was clear and the neck came off when I pulled the spoke out. Along with it came this nasty looking brown spongy stuff that looked like something from the medical channel. There was some liquid in the bottle but I just could not get it to come out. did I get bad bottle or is this normal?

I'm guessing the stuff was too old.

Bianchigirll 03-04-12 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by Road Fan (Post 13931049)
I'm guessing the stuff was too old.

That is what I was wondering

ciocc_cat 03-04-12 10:31 PM


Originally Posted by luker (Post 1830374)
i usta really like the Tubular Bells album...(am I showing my age?)

I still have mine - it came out the year I graduated from high school. Mike Oldfield = awesome!

Oh . . . are we talking about TIRES? I run 300 gram Servizio Corse tubulars on my Ciocc. These are very durable training tires that are perfect for everyday riding.

sekaijin 03-05-12 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by Road Fan (Post 13931049)
I'm guessing the stuff was too old.

+1

I used TUFO sealant but I've switched to Stan's NoTubes sealant. Same results as far as I can tell, dramatically less expensive.

mkadam68 03-17-12 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by sisddwg (Post 13651531)
Do you unfold and refold your spare between rides or do you leave them folded on the bike?

Semi-related: Living in SoCal, the glue on my spare tire appears to have dried out pretty good. I haven't gotten a flat (use the tubular wheels sparingly--race day only) and haven't needed to use the spare tire.

Any advice if I need to add another layer of glue to the spare before I go out for another ride?

RobbieTunes 03-17-12 11:54 AM

Not on the spare. The time to reglue that is if you end up using it full time.

RobbieTunes 03-17-12 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by Scooper (Post 13651833)
I gave in and went with tubular for the wheels on my 1940 Paramount; clinchers just wouldn't have been right on this frame. I built the wheels myself using NOS Mavic rims, Campy Record high flange pista hubs, and DT Swiss double-butted Competition stainless spokes laced 3-cross. Tires are Vittoria Pista CS 622-22.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7...CIMG7241cr.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7...IMG7242med.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7...icRimLabel.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7...toriaLabel.jpg

Very nice bike, Stan. 100% correct on the look with tubulars. If I used glue like that, I'd not need tape.

DirtyHarry714 03-22-12 06:06 PM

I finally got my first set of tubular tires in the mail today, Vittoria Rally competition tires, i managed to get one on an extra rim i have so how long should i keep the tire inflated for, and how long should i keep the tire on the stretching rim until i have to do the other.

Thanks

-Harry

gaucho777 03-22-12 06:29 PM

A day or even just overnight just be enough to pre-stretch the tires. Why not go ahead an put the 2nd tire on one of the rims you plan to use so you can glue them both at the same time? Btw, you only got 2 tires? What if you get a flat?

DirtyHarry714 03-22-12 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by gaucho777 (Post 14005128)
A day or even just overnight just be enough to pre-stretch the tires. Why not go ahead an put the 2nd tire on one of the rims you plan to use so you can glue them both at the same time? Btw, you only got 2 tires? What if you get a flat?

That's why i have 4 bikes :)

Bianchigirll 03-22-12 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by gaucho777 (Post 14005128)
A day or even just overnight just be enough to pre-stretch the tires. Why not go ahead an put the 2nd tire on one of the rims you plan to use so you can glue them both at the same time? Btw, you only got 2 tires? What if you get a flat?


Originally Posted by DirtyHarry714 (Post 14005263)
That's why i have 4 bikes :)

I believe he means what f you get a flat while your out riding? you need to carry a spare and a C02 cartridge

DirtyHarry714 03-22-12 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by Bianchigirll (Post 14005287)
I believe he means what f you get a flat while your out riding? you need to carry a spare and a C02 cartridge

I don't even ride with a patch kit

Road Fan 03-24-12 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by gaucho777 (Post 14005128)
A day or even just overnight just be enough to pre-stretch the tires. Why not go ahead an put the 2nd tire on one of the rims you plan to use so you can glue them both at the same time? Btw, you only got 2 tires? What if you get a flat?

If you're just learning tubulars, you may find that after installing a few tires you can just go ahead and install new tires without pre-stretching.

Road Fan 03-24-12 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by DirtyHarry714 (Post 14005316)
I don't even ride with a patch kit

With tubulars a patch kit is worth about nothing while on the road, but a spare tire and a decent pump or CO2 will get you home. You could walk instead, but walking 31 miles home after you flat at the midpoint of a metric could ruin your day, especially in cleated cycling shoes modern or vintage.

mkadam68 03-24-12 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by Road Fan (Post 14011474)
With tubulars a patch kit is worth about nothing while on the road, but a spare tire and a decent pump or CO2 will get you home. You could walk instead, but walking 31 miles home after you flat at the midpoint of a metric could ruin your day, especially in cleated cycling shoes modern or vintage.

Take the shoes off. Walk barefoot. :D (I did once after breaking my chain, about 5-miles from home.)

Road Fan 03-24-12 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by mkadam68 (Post 14011624)
Take the shoes off. Walk barefoot. :D (I did once after breaking my chain, about 5-miles from home.)

That doesn't sound like a major improvement! I like to pack a spare tubular and a small Blackburn pump. I'll gladly carry the 500g rather than expect to walk home.

Especially barefoot!

big chainring 03-24-12 07:57 PM

I bought several Vittoria Rally tubulars last year. They are kinda lumpy and twisted. I tried and tried to straighten them when i glued them on, but the tires themselves just aren't round.

Anyone tried the Milano tires by Schwalbe?

Road Fan 03-24-12 08:36 PM

I've had good and bad 23 mm Rallys, as have others here. YMMV. I haven't tried the Milanos. I do like Gommitalia Champion though I've only used a pair. I also think the Yellow Jersey Servizio Corse is a real good low-cost tire. If you want to go above the $35 price point (ballpark for the Rallye), look at the Gommitalia Espresso. I think these are about as nice as some of the better cotton hand-made Vittorias of days long past.

I haven't seen any significant stretching issues with any of these tires, but I have seen occasional lumps or snakiness with Rallyes (and especially with Continental Giros). One user here sent me a handful of dead Rallyes that seem to have self-destructed without having ever been fully installed - "asploded" as some might say. I'm astounded that a company that owns the Vittoria name put it on such dreck.


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