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paulb_in_bkln 03-20-19 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by PeterLYoung (Post 20846689)
The BSA Roadster is now completed, spent all day re-assembling and I have ridden it so all is OK. Still might replace saddle but will use as is while I decide. Also it would be nice to find a replacement reflector for rear mudguard (Fender) as the rubber is in a very bad way. Bike is good now for another 83 years!!!!!!!

Freaking beautiful. But where is the rod that works the front brake?

PeterLYoung 03-20-19 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20846700)
Freaking beautiful. But where is the rod that works the front brake?

Hi: If you enlarge the last photo showing the bike from the front you will see it is very discreetly positioned along side the front fork then makes a kink taking it inside the fork halfway down to reach the drum brake operating lever.

expand the phot below and you will see what I mean.
Regards
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e39c52ad2e.jpg

BigChief 03-20-19 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20846497)
Looking at these scorchers, I think a small frame looks best
with the seat and bars extended as required.
The smaller frames appear more compact and agile.
Black being the preferred colour, of course.

The 21" frame does have a different feel from the 23". More sporty I think. Any scorcher build I do from now on will be a 21. Especially if I flip the bars. For upright position, I do need this longer stem to get the upper body balance I like on the smaller frame.

BigChief 03-20-19 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by PeterLYoung (Post 20846689)
The BSA Roadster is now completed, spent all day re-assembling and I have ridden it so all is OK. Still might replace saddle but will use as is while I decide. Also it would be nice to find a replacement reflector for rear mudguard (Fender) as the rubber is in a very bad way. Bike is good now for another 83 years!!!!!!!


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e68cb2372b.jpg

Completed Bike
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...83e4fb97dd.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...900f4919c1.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...40474277cf.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a21e4587d6.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...21c71501af.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e2b3299d51.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...231dea2d1c.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d2cc5b6e43.jpg

Brilliant! Excellent work. So nice to see. I love projects like this. That reflector looks to be the same 1 3/4", measured including the rubber case, type that was used for a long time on English roadsters. I'll bet with some careful Exacto knife work, one could remove the lens from a Lucas reflector and replace it with that original one.

PeterLYoung 03-20-19 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20846843)
Brilliant! Excellent work. So nice to see. I love projects like this. That reflector looks to be the same 1 3/4", measured including the rubber case, type that was used for a long time on English roadsters. I'll bet with some careful Exacto knife work, one could remove the lens from a Lucas reflector and replace it with that original one.

Yes Big Chief: I was thinking along those lines, I cleaned up the lens when reinstalling the reflector and it is in good shape, if I can find one say on eBay it would be very easy to swap the lens over. Regards!!

gster 03-20-19 11:41 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20846804)
The 21" frame does have a different feel from the 23". More sporty I think. Any scorcher build I do from now on will be a 21. Especially if I flip the bars. For upright position, I do need this longer stem to get the upper body balance I like on the smaller frame.

One of the nicest bikes I put together was this 1938 Hercules Falcon.
It was too small for me and I sold it to a friend at work (he still has it).
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...053e754f5b.jpg

52telecaster 03-20-19 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20846691)
Amen Big Chief. There's no doubt in my mind that getting around by bike can keep us physically much younger than our years might lead a person who's not active to expect. Assuming you can avoid being crushed by a texting, belligerent, or just plain crazy driver. I'll turn 66 soon but I just had a physical and, although any of us can be blindsided by illness, as far as the things that are checked routinely in a doctor's office my numbers look great. I didn't leave my desk job willingly but it still may have been the best thing ever happened to me. I ride to work, all weather, day or night, and I think there are underappreciated physical benefits to regular exercise in winter cold and summer heat, and as I've got a walking around job I'm on my feet the entire time, too. People tell me I move like a much younger man (except for bending down which is hard now, goddamn it! ). The last time I bought a subway pass was August 2007. That has saved me so many thousands of dollars that it's something, along with the staying healthy thing, that make my bike expenditures seem relatively puny. And if spending a few hundred or even a grand here and there on bikes fires up a person's level of enthusiasm for riding one, it's seems to me it's money very well spent.

im only 62 but i agree with u whole heartedly.

dweenk 03-20-19 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by PeterLYoung (Post 20846689)
The BSA Roadster is now completed, spent all day re-assembling and I have ridden it so all is OK. Still might replace saddle but will use as is while I decide. Also it would be nice to find a replacement reflector for rear mudguard (Fender) as the rubber is in a very bad way. Bike is good now for another 83 years!!!!!!!

Is the white yellowed area on the rear mudguard the patch? If so, it was expertly done.

clubman 03-20-19 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by gster (Post 20846994)
One of the nicest bikes I put together was this 1938 Hercules Falcon.
It was too small for me and I sold it to a friend at work (he still has it).
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...053e754f5b.jpg

Unusually, I've got a 38 Falcon way down in the project list. But too big for me, maybe I should offer this one up. Hmmm Too bad, we could have swapped!

52telecaster 03-20-19 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20847153)
Unusually, I've got a 38 Falcon way down in the project list. But too big for me, maybe I should offer this one up. Hmmm Too bad, we could have swapped!

that is my size.... just got a falcon by clement however and should stop.

clubman 03-20-19 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by 52telecaster (Post 20847176)
that is my size.... just got a falcon by clement however and should stop.

...should stop...Bwa-hah-ha, arf, snort!! ;)

paulb_in_bkln 03-20-19 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by PeterLYoung (Post 20846711)
Hi: If you enlarge the last photo showing the bike from the front you will see it is very discreetly positioned along side the front fork then makes a kink taking it inside the fork halfway down to reach the drum brake operating lever.

expand the phot below and you will see what I mean.
Regards

Thanks.

PeterLYoung 03-20-19 02:08 PM

1936 BSA Roadster, 3Speed (BSA) + Hub Brakes
 

Originally Posted by dweenk (Post 20847126)
Is the white yellowed area on the rear mudguard the patch? If so, it was expertly done.

The Yellowed Area is a bolted on propriety Celluloid White Safety item to give visibility and I think dates from WW2 period.

The repair patches are on edges of both front & rear mudguards (Fenders) and don't show very well as they are sprayed black as per rest of mudguards.
Regards

52telecaster 03-20-19 03:31 PM


Originally Posted by 52telecaster (Post 20847176)
that is my size.... just got a falcon by clement however and should stop.

What size wheels is the frame made for?

clubman 03-20-19 03:48 PM

EA1/597 mm bead. I have most all the original parts for the bike, drop bars, mudguards, wheels with a rear 3 speed freewheel and the 'esoteric' Herailleur indexed gearing system. I suspect someone upgraded the bike after the war to the newest gear around 1950. Maybe it should be listed under the retro roadies upgraded to STI thread

The nice thing about about the EA1 club wheels is they very nearly have the same effective diameter as 700c's if one didn't want to go the EA3 route. I have some NOS original club rims and tires in the stash.

3speedslow 03-20-19 04:20 PM

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...eacd42c81.jpeg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...acce7a722.jpeg
Sears hub in for exploratory surgery tomorrow. Quick wipe down and some overdose of thin oil for tonight. Studying the exploding diagram for this one also.

Dan Burkhart 03-20-19 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by PeterLYoung (Post 20846689)
The BSA Roadster is now completed, spent all day re-assembling and I have ridden it so all is OK. Still might replace saddle but will use as is while I decide. Also it would be nice to find a replacement reflector for rear mudguard (Fender) as the rubber is in a very bad way. Bike is good now for another 83 years!!!!!!!


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e68cb2372b.jpg

Completed Bike
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...83e4fb97dd.jpg





https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...231dea2d1c.jpg

I'm really diggin the twisted rack stays.

tigervw78 03-20-19 07:04 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 20847456)
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...eacd42c81.jpeg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...acce7a722.jpeg
Sears hub in for exploratory surgery tomorrow. Quick wipe down and some overdose of thin oil for tonight. Studying the exploding diagram for this one also.

I'm interested in the outcome. So is this a rebranded SA hub or no?

paulb_in_bkln 03-20-19 08:13 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 20847456)
Sears hub in for exploratory surgery tomorrow. Quick wipe down and some overdose of thin oil for tonight. Studying the exploding diagram for this one also.

Not easy to tell from diagram but looks a lot like an AW. Except, left side of hub shell unscrews? That's sure different.

Chr0m0ly 03-20-19 08:22 PM

I found one!
 
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9fa0132bf.jpeg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8c37ef01f.jpeg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...744605495.jpeg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c4a5f5988.jpeg
Came across this on the Bay and drove over two hours to pick it up! Ticks off two boxes I've been meaning to take care of!

(Sellers pictures)

gster 03-21-19 07:42 AM

They're Still Out There
This Hercules popped up on Kijiji, Toronto today.
Hard to tell much about it from the photos.
Priced at $100.00 so may be worth a look.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8e3348e66c.jpg

3speedslow 03-21-19 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by Chr0m0ly (Post 20847741)
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9fa0132bf.jpeg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8c37ef01f.jpeg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...744605495.jpeg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c4a5f5988.jpeg
Came across this on the Bay and drove over two hours to pick it up! Ticks off two boxes I've been meaning to take care of!

(Sellers pictures)

Almost gave me another HA! Thought you had gotten the one I am going to pick up soon. But all is well. That is a very nice looking machine! What year is it?

3speedslow 03-21-19 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by tigervw78 (Post 20847633)
I'm interested in the outcome. So is this a rebranded SA hub or no?

So far in the exploratory, it is a direct match for the diagram. I havenít dug into it fully, have my homeschooled pupil today. Sometimes I would like to take him apart...!

must remember to take lots of pics for my bad memory.

BigChief 03-21-19 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20848141)
They're Still Out There
This Hercules popped up on Kijiji, Toronto today.
Hard to tell much about it from the photos.
Priced at $100.00 so may be worth a look.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8e3348e66c.jpg

I like the looks of this one. Wish I could see more. The mudguards look pre war to me.I even like the funky art deco chainguard. Old aftermarket or off an American bike? I think I'd keep it.

Road Fan 03-21-19 10:52 AM

Thread directions of 26 tpi Raleigh bottom brackets?
 
On my famous 1952 Rudge project, I finally got the drive side cotter pin out, so I removed the cranks, spindle, chain, adjustable cup, fork, wheels, et cetera.

Now I have the Stonich BB tool attached to the seemingly-stuck drive-side BB cup to be able to grab the funky surface features, and I don't know if they remove righty-tighty or lefty-tighty? Anybody know the thread direction?

BigChief 03-21-19 12:07 PM

The fixed cup is a LH thread. Adjustable cup RH. I don't usually remove the fixed cup. They are in there tight. No reason to unless it needs replacing. I just use a rag on a stick to clean it out. When I replace the spindle, I use grease to hold the bearings onto the spindle and thread it carefully through the fixed cup, hold it and screw in the already loaded adjustable cup with my other hand.

Ged117 03-21-19 12:15 PM

Last night I finally got back to the 1950 Superbe. I finished polishing the handlebars, brake levers, and SA shifter a few weeks ago. I washed the frame last night with Meguiar's car wash and wax, and it did reveal blemishes, scratches, and other damage to the near 70 year old paint. However, I like the patina and it did show off some of the richness left in the colour. No corrosion on the frame itself, however the fenders need some work due to surface rust. Is an evapo rust product the best idea here? I'd rather not damage the paint, and I am not sure how I would finish up. Perhaps a clear coat over the area once it is all cleaned up?

I packed fresh bearings in the headset cups with nice marine grease, and put it back together. Turns so smoothly now. Next thing is to source some brake parts and cables, service the AG, and put it back together. The Dynoluxe battery unit needs some TLC. I pulled late 1970s ever-ready (red coloured) batteries out of it. I'm sure you can imagine what they looked like, and the mess in the battery holder. There is some suspect wiring also - I may use some speaker wire to repair that, though I'll need some pointers. It is a lot of fun finally bringing the parts back together. I'll post photos toward the end of the project (my work space is crowded and makes taking photos difficult).

3speedslow 03-21-19 03:33 PM

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...06d7ec320.jpeg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b0b04a244.jpeg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...284190a2d.jpeg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3a4e5d682.jpeg
1969 Sears Austrian hub. Have gone as far as I can without putting it in a vice and using the punch on it to open it up completely. So far everything looks good and clean. No reason for it to be jammed up. Itís oiled inside, bearings were adjusted well and looked clean.

Chr0m0ly 03-21-19 04:55 PM

Looks heavy and bulky for a key fob, but I suppose you'll never loose them!

3speedslow 03-21-19 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by Chr0m0ly (Post 20849148)
Looks heavy and bulky for a key fob, but I suppose you'll never loose them!

HA! You havenít met me yet then!

ive seen videos where people clamp a shell into a vise and hammer/ punch it open. They used heavy rubber pads to grip it. Any other suggestions? I will be taking the plastic Oiler off just in case. Wish this hub was still built up in a wheel!

anybody stuffed an SA works inside one of these shells?


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