Identify this Benotto
Hi all,
I need some information about a certain Benotto. All I know is this: It has Shimano Sport LX derailleur, Shimano exage brakes and a biopace chain ring. It has internal brake cable routing in the top bar. Further more it has capital "B" on the rear brake bracket and a Columbus decal on the top bar. I have a picture of the bike but apparently I am not allowed to post pictures until I have posted 10 threads. So if anyone would want to go through the trouble and pm me I can send you a picture. Any insight would/help really be appreciated! Thnx Benoize |
Originally Posted by benoize
(Post 22151191)
Hi all,
I need some information about a certain Benotto. Pic of bottom of BB shell please, also if there is a decal saying modello or modelo (important difference); pic of rear dropout including over or under (another difference) cable stop, pic of seatstay & lug, can you measure the seatpost? |
Originally Posted by oneclick
(Post 22151220)
So will we. Post pics to your gallery, somone else will copy them here, that'll help.
Pic of bottom of BB shell please, also if there is a decal saying modello or modelo (important difference); pic of rear dropout including over or under (another difference) cable stop, pic of seatstay & lug, can you measure the seatpost? I'll get back to you. For now let me see if I can post in my gallery... Cheers Benoize |
Welcome to the forums. Shimano Sport LX would place it 1988-1989 and upper entry level but the frame appears to be significantly higher grade than the components, indicating a rebuild. It has pre-1988 Columbus decals but due to the low image resolution I can't identify tubing decal on the top tube. However, given the extensive chrome, front derailleur hanger, internal brake cable routing, it would appear to be at least SL tubing and possibly SLX. Given, the dual bottle set-up and pump peg and graphics, I'd place it 1986-1987, possibly later if they had excess Columbus decal stock. The one curious item, is the presence of Gipiemme dropouts, which I don't recall seeing on a Benotto. Photo assist...
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...89a141dad6.jpg |
Originally Posted by T-Mar
(Post 22151257)
Welcome to the forums. Shimano Sport LX would place it 1988-1989 and upper entry level but the frame appears to be significantly higher grade than the components, indicating a rebuild. It has pre-1988 Columbus decals but due to the low image resolution I can't identify tubing decal on the top tube. However, given the extensive chrome, front derailleur hanger, internal brake cable routing, it would appear to be at least SL tubing and possibly SLX. Given, the dual bottle set-up and pump peg and graphics, I'd place it 1986-1987, possibly later if they had excess Columbus decal stock. The one curious item, is the presence of Gipiemme dropouts, which I don't recall seeing on a Benotto. Photo assist...
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...89a141dad6.jpg :thumb: T-Mar's post reminds me of the amount of information Sherlock Holmes was able to gain by examining a speck of tobacco ash ;) ----- |
Originally Posted by T-Mar
(Post 22151257)
Welcome to the forums. Shimano Sport LX would place it 1988-1989 and upper entry level but the frame appears to be significantly higher grade than the components, indicating a rebuild. It has pre-1988 Columbus decals but due to the low image resolution I can't identify tubing decal on the top tube. However, given the extensive chrome, front derailleur hanger, internal brake cable routing, it would appear to be at least SL tubing and possibly SLX. Given, the dual bottle set-up and pump peg and graphics, I'd place it 1986-1987, possibly later if they had excess Columbus decal stock. The one curious item, is the presence of Gipiemme dropouts, which I don't recall seeing on a Benotto. Photo assist...
All this from just this one picture? Would you hazard a guess as to the model number? Thanks much! |
:thumb: Amazing!
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Originally Posted by benoize
(Post 22151233)
Hi, Thanks for the response. I'm off to have a look at the bike in a couple of hours and I only have this one picture to go on (which makes it a bit of adventure). So if I buy the bike I can post some more detailed pictures and info on this thread. When you ask about the seat post measurement, I gather you are talking about the diameter?
I'll get back to you. For now let me see if I can post in my gallery... Cheers Benoize Modelo is spanish, modello is italian. Some bikes have an "I" stamped into the BB shell which it is claimed means italian manufacture. BB shell can have a heart-shaped cutout, and pic on the net show BBs stamped with that "I" have a bar across the heart. Italian bikes can have a decal that says "Made in Italy". I would not take a potential-crack-Benotto frame if you gave me it; but an 800/850, or an Italian - yes please. |
Originally Posted by benoize
(Post 22151271)
Wow! Just WOW...
All this from just this one picture? Would you hazard a guess as to the model number? Thanks much! |
Originally Posted by T-Mar
(Post 22151257)
Welcome to the forums. Shimano Sport LX would place it 1988-1989 and upper entry level but the frame appears to be significantly higher grade than the components, indicating a rebuild. It has pre-1988 Columbus decals but due to the low image resolution I can't identify tubing decal on the top tube. However, given the extensive chrome, front derailleur hanger, internal brake cable routing, it would appear to be at least SL tubing and possibly SLX. Given, the dual bottle set-up and pump peg and graphics, I'd place it 1986-1987, possibly later if they had excess Columbus decal stock. The one curious item, is the presence of Gipiemme dropouts, which I don't recall seeing on a Benotto. Photo assist...
My main question now is, what would be the correct group set to put on this bike? Would it have had Gipiemme set? What would be the proper period correct stuff to install. And is this an Oria special or something else? Thanks again! |
I wasn't expecting Matrix, as the decal background in the original photo looked more gold than the silver used for Matrix. Matrix was a mid-range tubeset introduced for 1986 but was subject of a Trek lawsuit for infringement on their Matrix rims, so the name was changed to Cromor in 1987. However, it does corroborate the age and explains the Gipiemme dropouts, though the amount of chrome and, internal brake cable routing are unusual on a Matrix frame of this era.
I don't know what the proper name for this model. There's no Matrix or Cromor model listed in the 1987 North American market models. As for groups, there is a wide variety to choose from. Given the era and level, Campagnolo Triomphe, Campagnolo Victory, Galli Criterium, Ofmage Master, Shimano New 105, Shimano New 600EX, SunTour Cyclone or SunTour Sprint would all be appropriate. |
Originally Posted by T-Mar
(Post 22153020)
I wasn't expecting Matrix, as the decal background in the original photo looked more gold than the silver used for Matrix. Matrix was a mid-range tubeset introduced for 1986 but was subject of a Trek lawsuit for infringement on their Matrix rims, so the name was changed to Cromor in 1987. However, it does corroborate the age and explains the Gipiemme dropouts, though the amount of chrome and, internal brake cable routing are unusual on a Matrix frame of this era.
I don't know what the proper name for this model. There's no Matrix or Cromor model listed in the 1987 North American market models. As for groups, there is a wide variety to choose from. Given the era and level, Campagnolo Triomphe, Campagnolo Victory, Galli Criterium, Ofmage Master, Shimano New 105, Shimano New 600EX, SunTour Cyclone or SunTour Sprint would all be appropriate. I came across this table on equusbicycle. It's called columbuschart (I can't post URLs *sigh*) As for the group set it looks like I have a lot of choices, so I can go on the hunt for a nice set! Looking forward to fixing it up. Will post pics! |
Originally Posted by benoize
(Post 22153049)
Hi T-mar, thanks again for your swift reply. I think Cromor is pretty much the same as SL except for the down tube an chain- and seat stay being 1mm thicker. But then Cromor was used for bigger frames and SL used for the smaller frames (I think that was the differentiation).
I came across this table on equusbicycle. It's called columbuschart (I can't post URLs *sigh*) As for the group set it looks like I have a lot of choices, so I can go on the hunt for a nice set! Looking forward to fixing it up. Will post pics! |
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