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datlas 08-05-22 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by Bah Humbug (Post 22599916)
I'm sure you can say lots of things that are considered slurs somewhere. I've never actually encountered someone using that one unironically; is it still actually used? An exhaustive filter would be just about impossible.

Pretty sure I can write "spic-and-span" as well.

Agree. And with most slurs, it really depends on context and intent to know if they are offensive. There are a few words, like the C word and the N word, that I actually think are ok to filter out.

You still can't say French Shower.

Bah Humbug 08-05-22 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 22599919)
Agree. And with most slurs, it really depends on context and intent to know if they are offensive. There are a few words, like the C word and the N word, that I actually think are ok to filter out.

You still can't say French Shower.

Yes, agreed. And things like... can I talk about oriental rugs?

bampilot06 08-05-22 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22599682)
I've got a $60 voucher for Cafe du Cycliste and I've been handwringing over their hoodie jersey. I've been wanting one for a long time, and the sale + voucher brings it down to (IMO) a reasonable $87... but then there's $20 shipping! :cry:


the gravel unisex jersey with a hood?

datlas 08-05-22 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by Bah Humbug (Post 22599924)
Yes, agreed. And things like... can I talk about oriental rugs?

It's so interesting how what was "ok" a generation ago is "not ok" now, like above....or another good example....

You know how kids sit in a group cross-legged?? When I grew up, we all said it was "Indian Style," but apparently that is now offensive and it's "Criss Cross Apple Sauce," at least that is what my Gen Z kids tell me. Similar to the name concerns of certain professional football and baseball teams.

genejockey 08-05-22 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 22599927)
It's so interesting how what was "ok" a generation ago is "not ok" now, like above....or another good example....

You know how kids sit in a group cross-legged?? When I grew up, we all said it was "Indian Style," but apparently that is now offensive and it's "Criss Cross Apple Sauce," at least that is what my Gen Z kids tell me. Similar to the name concerns of certain professional football and baseball teams.

Though, to be fair, some of what was "ok" a generation ago was kinda :eek: even at the time.

Mojo31 08-05-22 02:35 PM

People in San Diego and surrounding areas refer to their city as Dago. In that context it’s not a slur. Just like people in New Orleans refer to their city as “Nawlins.”

If it’s offensive let me know, but nobody’s ever told me it is, including the family members who live there.

datlas 08-05-22 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22599953)
Though, to be fair, some of what was "ok" a generation ago was kinda :eek: even at the time.

Correct

datlas 08-05-22 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22599954)
People in San Diego and surrounding areas refer to their city as Dago. In that context itís not a slur. Just like people in New Orleans refer to their city as ďNawlins.Ē

If itís offensive let me know, but nobodyís ever told me it is, including the family members who live there.

It's possibly anachronistic, but BITD that was a slur against people from Spain/Italy. Equivalent to calling someone from Ireland the shortened version of Michael. Also likely anachronistic.

WhyFi 08-05-22 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by bampilot06 (Post 22599925)
the gravel unisex jersey with a hood?

Yup.

Mojo31 08-05-22 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 22599962)
It's possibly anachronistic, but BITD that was a slur against people from Spain/Italy. Equivalent to calling someone from Ireland the shortened version of Michael. Also likely anachronistic.

I get that slur, but thatís with respect to people, not a city.

genejockey 08-05-22 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 22599962)
It's possibly anachronistic, but BITD that was a slur against people from Spain/Italy. Equivalent to calling someone from Ireland the shortened version of Michael. Also likely anachronistic.

I think a lot of how those became anachronistic is that people from Spain/Italy and Ireland stopped being "out groups".

big john 08-05-22 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 22599653)
perspicacity .

I haven't seen that word used for some time. A friend I used to ride dirt bikes with liked to use it. He was an accountant.

He also liked moribund and pernicious.

Bah Humbug 08-05-22 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 22599927)
It's so interesting how what was "ok" a generation ago is "not ok" now, like above....or another good example....

You know how kids sit in a group cross-legged?? When I grew up, we all said it was "Indian Style," but apparently that is now offensive and it's "Criss Cross Apple Sauce," at least that is what my Gen Z kids tell me. Similar to the name concerns of certain professional football and baseball teams.

Heard that one too. That's far too long and needs a rework. Things have to be short and catchy; attempting to force a term works poorly.

I do find it fascinating that the Buffalo Bills, as in "kill kill kill till there's no more Indians left to be killed" haven't faced a peep.

There has been a bit about the Chiefs and Braves, but interestingly both of those could be logo-changed to firefighters and call it a day.​​

Bah Humbug 08-05-22 03:04 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22599981)
I think a lot of how those became anachronistic is that people from Spain/Italy and Ireland stopped being "out groups".

We switched from (horribly) caring about nationality to (horribly) caring only about skin color (or mostly). Lovecraft was horrified to find he had Welsh in him. Nowadays it's just "white". I had to explain to AG about the racist old man in Community being racist against Finns.

Would be wonderful if we didn't just swap our (collective) biases around and got rid of them...

Bah Humbug 08-05-22 03:06 PM

Was out on a dog walk with my mother and AG. Halfway through, my phone rings.

It's my boss.

So I answer it expecting something bad.

No no, it's a promotion (Software Engineer III from II) and a 25% raise. I guess I need to be less grumpy for a while.

big john 08-05-22 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by Bah Humbug (Post 22599990)
No no, it's a promotion (Software Engineer III from II) and a 25% raise. I guess I need to be less grumpy for a while.

25%? Sweet raise!

Bah Humbug 08-05-22 03:19 PM


Originally Posted by big john (Post 22599997)
25%? Sweet raise!

Everyone says this, but I was truly underpaid. Paid like QA instead of dev, for years. Yes, sweet but appropriate.

Frankly I thought I wouldn't get it until the end of the year. This ALSO changes what my hypothetical severance would be.

genejockey 08-05-22 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by Bah Humbug (Post 22599990)
Was out on a dog walk with my mother and AG. Halfway through, my phone rings.

It's my boss.

So I answer it expecting something bad.

No no, it's a promotion (Software Engineer III from II) and a 25% raise. I guess I need to be less grumpy for a while.

This is basically the polar opposite of "Raise? You're lucky we don't FIRE you!"

Bah Humbug 08-05-22 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22600005)
This is basically the polar opposite of "Raise? You're lucky we don't FIRE you!"

I wrote my mid-year self-eval rather grumpy, and apparently yes.

Of course if they told me that I'd fall to a quarter- or maybe tenth-assing. So there's that.

Bah Humbug 08-05-22 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 22599713)
You can say SuperHole??

Someone needs to fix the filter.


big john 08-05-22 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by Bah Humbug (Post 22600002)
Everyone says this, but I was truly underpaid. Paid like QA instead of dev, for years. Yes, sweet but appropriate.

Frankly I thought I wouldn't get it until the end of the year. This ALSO changes what my hypothetical severance would be.

Well, that's different. Been jacked around by employers myself.

WhyFi 08-05-22 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by Bah Humbug (Post 22599985)
I do find it fascinating that the Buffalo Bills, as in "kill kill kill till there's no more Indians left to be killed" haven't faced a peep.

There has been a bit about the Chiefs and Braves, but interestingly both of those could be logo-changed to firefighters and call it a day.​​

Objection to the Chiefs and the Braves is pretty direct and obvious. Buffalo Bills? *shrug* I've never even thought about it. Assuming they're named after Cody, then what? I'm not aware of any damning politics and I'm sure that the vast majority of the public are in the same boat. Hard to connect the dots if you don't know that the dots are there.

Similar situation with a lake that's in my neighborhood - it had been Lake Calhoun for as long as anyone alive could remember and no one really knew the origin of the name. A few years ago, the origin was brought to light - not only was it named after a guy that was a vile asshat, they guy had never even stepped foot in or had any real connection with the region or state. In less than a year, the lake's name was changed back to what the Native Americans called it before the area was settled by white folk. People have to know before they can care. (At the same time, a lot of people objected to the change because: it was too woke, they just didn't like change, nobody knew or cared about the guy and this was just giving him more shine than he deserved, etc.)

indyfabz 08-05-22 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22599585)
Currently have quadball (formerly Quidicche) on. Itís a bit silly with all the players running around with broomsticks between their legs. One of my cycling friends has a kid that plays it.

Superhole is a better participatory sport since you get to hold a beer while playing.

Heh. Iím at my local for happy hour. Ocho is on one of the TVs. OmegaBall is on.

WhyFi 08-05-22 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by Bah Humbug (Post 22599988)
We switched from (horribly) caring about nationality to (horribly) caring only about skin color (or mostly). Lovecraft was horrified to find he had Welsh in him. Nowadays it's just "white". I had to explain to AG about the racist old man in Community being racist against Finns.

Would be wonderful if we didn't just swap our (collective) biases around and got rid of them...

Meh, I just don't like them poors.





KIDDING :twitchy:

Mojo31 08-05-22 04:16 PM

I was in the YMCA Indian Guides and Princesses with my kids when they were young. For those that don’t know, it was all dads and their kids with separate programs for the boys and girls. No moms were ever involved which made it special in my mind. It went away when some Native American guy objected to it because we wore headbands and feathers at certain events.

I attribute a lot of the closeness I have with my kids to that program. We have a lot of very fond memories of the things we did together in the program, and it really taught us to respect and learn from each other.

We also learned a lot about Native American history, culture, and life in a very respectful way. Nothing derogatory toward the people or culture was ever permitted.

Ironically, the program was started and developed by a Native American, and then brought down by one.


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