Advice on Power Meter
Good Morning All,
I am looking for my first power meter, looking for the most affordable options as I am on a budget. Currently using Shimano 105 R7000 groupset.172.5mm length crank set. Thoughts? |
Originally Posted by Shemmy
(Post 21483752)
I am looking for my first power meter, looking for the most affordable options as I am on a budget.
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Originally Posted by RChung
(Post 21483763)
Used.
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I'm glad I got a dual-sided power meter (Stages LR), because if I had gotten left-side only (and then it just doubles it) my power measurements would have been too high. Apparently I favor my left side by 3-10% depending on the difficulty of the effort.
How much are you willing to spend? The Stages LR is currently a bit over $700. A used single-sided power meter could probably be had for just a couple hundred. |
Note that a lot of power meters are out of stock right now, likely COVID related issues with inventory.
While I'd like to think used is the way to go, what I've been seeing is that people are paying nearly new prices on eBay for used power meters which makes no sense to me. I personally would rather pay an extra $50 for a new, warranted power meter than a used one that may or may not work. |
Competitive Cyclist has a one-sided Stages 105 for $300. I have a Pioneer Ultegra that I've been very happy with but I don't think the colors will match...
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Used SRMs are a great option.
Stages for $300 seems like a good deal too. I hear good things about Asioma. |
https://store.stagescycling.com/closeout-cosmetic-blems
As far as I know shimano hasn't changed their spline interface so it doesn't have to be a r7000 and match. Just has to be the same length. |
Originally Posted by Shemmy
(Post 21483767)
What modes specifically?
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Used SRMs are a good option. Even wireless ones can be found on the cheap.
One downside with SRM, except Origin, is that battery is not replaceable or rechargeable. So you have to send it in every couple years or so. Which is 2-3 weeks without a power meter. |
I got a 5800 4iiii left arm power meter for a pretty good price. I’d say 4iiii is a good bet (I have the coin cell one). Stages also recently reduced their prices significantly.
I’d like to warn against left only power meters though. I can’t actually confirm if this is true, but at lower power levels (under threshold), my left leg “drags” a bit. But my left leg kicks in hard at or above threshold. So if I’m trying to do a certain amount of power just under threshold, or if I’m spinning kind of fast, the PM will read low. I’ll make a slight increase in effort, and my left leg will kick in, and the power reading will jump. So if you want a PM for pacing reasons, or to do longer intervals under threshold, I would recommend something that reads overall power. Anyone know anything about iQsquare? |
Originally Posted by SethAZ
(Post 21483787)
I'm glad I got a dual-sided power meter (Stages LR), because if I had gotten left-side only (and then it just doubles it) my power measurements would have been too high. Apparently I favor my left side by 3-10% depending on the difficulty of the effort.
How much are you willing to spend? The Stages LR is currently a bit over $700. A used single-sided power meter could probably be had for just a couple hundred. Then I injured my feet and ankles, badly, one side worse than the other. Now that I'm mostly recovered, the L/R data is valuable to me. |
Originally Posted by SethAZ
(Post 21483787)
I'm glad I got a dual-sided power meter (Stages LR), because if I had gotten left-side only (and then it just doubles it) my power measurements would have been too high. Apparently I favor my left side by 3-10% depending on the difficulty of the effort.
How much are you willing to spend? The Stages LR is currently a bit over $700. A used single-sided power meter could probably be had for just a couple hundred. |
Originally Posted by Canker
(Post 21484377)
https://store.stagescycling.com/closeout-cosmetic-blems
As far as I know shimano hasn't changed their spline interface so it doesn't have to be a r7000 and match. Just has to be the same length. |
I learned rather quickly that dual-sided means next to nothing to me. If I'm over 70% intensity, it's 50/50. If I'm under 70%, it's 51/49.
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Originally Posted by UmneyDurak
(Post 21484809)
Used SRMs are a good option. Even wireless ones can be found on the cheap.
One downside with SRM, except Origin, is that battery is not replaceable or rechargeable. So you have to send it in every couple years or so. Which is 2-3 weeks without a power meter. |
Originally Posted by smashndash
(Post 21484814)
I’d like to warn against left only power meters though. I can’t actually confirm if this is true, but at lower power levels (under threshold), my left leg “drags” a bit. But my left leg kicks in hard at or above threshold. So if I’m trying to do a certain amount of power just under threshold, or if I’m spinning kind of fast, the PM will read low. I’ll make a slight increase in effort, and my left leg will kick in, and the power reading will jump.
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I just got a Stages and it's great. They work with any hollowtech II crankset, all the way back to DA 7800, which is what I happen to have on my TT bike. It was an inexpensive and easy way to get power, especially since it does both BT and Ant.
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There are lots of things you can do with a power meter and some require more accuracy, while others require less. Most (?) riders just use a PM for training FTP, and training FTP is one of the least demanding things you can do with power data, so most riders can get by without needing much accuracy. Unfortunately, if you're new to using a power meter, you rarely know what you're going to do with it a year or two down the line. This is partly why I think getting an inexpensive used power meter that's rock solid and gives good quality data is almost always a good idea as a first PM. You'll learn what to do, you'll see whether you have some oddity in your pedaling that would have screwed up your data, and you'll figure out whether you want to do more than just training your FTP.
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Originally Posted by SethAZ
(Post 21484877)
I totally agree on the left-side-only option being insufficient, though, and as Seattle Forest said, if you really want to know what you're doing then it's dual-sided all the way.
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Originally Posted by PoorInRichfield
(Post 21484961)
Hopefully not throwing this post onto a total rabbit trail... What do you do if your right and left power measurements are off? Single leg drills? I think most of us are asymmetric as far as our muscles are concerned (i.e., I'm right handed so I favor my ride side which is noticeably stronger.) Unless I plan on somehow correcting the asymmetry, I'm not sure it matters if I know it's there(?)
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Originally Posted by PoorInRichfield
(Post 21484961)
Hopefully not throwing this post onto a total rabbit trail... What do you do if your right and left power measurements are off? Single leg drills? I think most of us are asymmetric as far as our muscles are concerned (i.e., I'm right handed so I favor my ride side which is noticeably stronger.) Unless I plan on somehow correcting the asymmetry, I'm not sure it matters if I know it's there(?)
There’s not much evidence that I know of to suggest that you should try to correct it, especially if the asymmetry goes away at higher efforts. If you’re well below threshold, your body doesn’t really fatigue any quicker using one leg way more than the other - you’re just burning fat. In fact it’s probably more efficient (because otherwise you wouldn’t be doing it). |
Originally Posted by PoorInRichfield
(Post 21484961)
Hopefully not throwing this post onto a total rabbit trail... What do you do if your right and left power measurements are off? Single leg drills? I think most of us are asymmetric as far as our muscles are concerned (i.e., I'm right handed so I favor my ride side which is noticeably stronger.) Unless I plan on somehow correcting the asymmetry, I'm not sure it matters if I know it's there(?)
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I’m using the PowerPod V3 Lite and it works fine for my purposes. It was $199 and with a software upgrade (for a cost) it offers way more capability than I need. I am using it to see improvement in power output so as long as it is consistent I’ll be happy.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
(Post 21485465)
I used to worry about L/R imbalance, but now choose to ignore it. Why? Two of my four power meters provide L/R imbalance; one consistency says my left side is stronger (53/47) while the other says my right side is stronger (46/54). (The overall power for all four meters is within 1-2%.)
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