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Andiroo99 08-05-13 07:20 AM

These both look great but man are they pricey!

smontanaro 08-05-13 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by Andiroo99 (Post 15925149)
So I figure my options are:

1) Suck it up and just by some new clincher rims and get the wheels rebuilt. The only pain here is that I just spent good money getting the wheels hand built and I now need more rims + have to pay to get rebuilt and i have some tubular Montreals i wont use.

2) Buy some expensive tubular tires which should be ok for regular riding (I have been looking at 700x25 Conti Sprinter Gatorskins at close to $80 each and risk it. I guess i could carry supplies for roadside repairs and just make sure i always have my phone if i end up with a hole i cannot repair.

3) Just cry....

No need to cry. I have been enjoying my Challenge Parigi-Roubaix tubulars (27mm). I weigh about 180, and have been running them with 65-70psi up front, 90-95psi in back. Very nice ride. I squirted in a bit of Stan's sealant last week to make them (hopefully) bulletproof. I see them priced around $118 on the net right now. I know I didn't pay nearly that much for them, perhaps $70-$75 each.

Six jours 08-05-13 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by Andiroo99 (Post 15926524)
These both look great but man are they pricey!

Yes, but how often in life do we get the opportunity to try the very best that has ever been made? I don't get to drive a Ferrari, but I can ride Dugast tubulars...

RobbieTunes 08-05-13 05:52 PM

Tape makes tubulars possible for us morons.

Those are pretty awesome wheels to give up on.

Andiroo99 08-06-13 08:23 PM


Originally Posted by RobbieTunes (Post 15929057)
Tape makes tubulars possible for us morons.

Those are pretty awesome wheels to give up on.

AGREED. I bit the bullet and have ordered the tubulars and tape and am going to built them up and give it a go. If i end up stranded with a problem I will be back and ranting ;)))

mkadam68 10-10-13 08:11 PM

Been awhile. Have a question:

Where is a source for tubular base tape?

Meaning, the tape that covers the stitches. I have several tires I'd like to repair. Have the Velox repair kit, but it only has thread, needle & patches. Also have liquid latex solution to "glue" the base tape back down after repairing tube. I'm thinking it might be easier to remove the whole tube, put in a new one, sew it back up, and voila. (Maybe a bit overkill.)

Or is the stitching part a big pain in the butt? If it is, any tips on finding the holes so I can only pull out that section of tube? I've tried submerging the tire in water and listening in quiet room. Sound/air bubbles from all over the tire so I don't know where the puncture is.

16Victor 10-10-13 08:14 PM

I'm a DIYer, but for this, it's tirealert.com

mkadam68 10-10-13 08:35 PM


Originally Posted by 16Victor (Post 16150944)
I'm a DIYer, but for this, it's tirealert.com

Yeah, I know. But at ~$25 per tire, it still adds up. That's why I'm looking to DIY. Plus, like learning new things. :)

Blue Belly 10-10-13 08:46 PM


Originally Posted by mkadam68 (Post 16150938)
Been awhile. Have a question:

Where is a source for tubular base tape?

Meaning, the tape that covers the stitches. I have several tires I'd like to repair. Have the Velox repair kit, but it only has thread, needle & patches. Also have liquid latex solution to "glue" the base tape back down after repairing tube. I'm thinking it might be easier to remove the whole tube, put in a new one, sew it back up, and voila. (Maybe a bit overkill.)

Or is the stitching part a big pain in the butt? If it is, any tips on finding the holes so I can only pull out that section of tube? I've tried submerging the tire in water and listening in quiet room. Sound/air bubbles from all over the tire so I don't know where the puncture is.

how old are they? The latex tube degrade after time & won't hold air for long. Seeing up a whole tire by hand is a big job. I'm sure they have machines that do it at the factory. Pulling the backing off the tire, fixing the tube & putting it all back together isn't too big of a job if you are careful. YouTube has some instructionas

Blue Belly 10-10-13 09:03 PM


Originally Posted by Wildwood (Post 15925499)
I ride tubular on my vintage, clinchers on my "modern" roadies. Cost is the downside that prevents me from going totally tubular.

Thanks folks, this thread brings me back regularly.

god, I can't imagine riding clinchers ever again. There are cheaper, durable sewups. Tufos, not the most popular or the most supple but, can be had at a decent price. The wife's bike is the only thing we have with clinchers. & she doesn't ride.

on a side note....tubular clinchers have always seemed really odd. I rode them one time. Felt like a clincher with weight added to it. Anyone like them?

mkadam68 10-10-13 10:06 PM


Originally Posted by Blue Belly (Post 16151020)
how old are they? The latex tube degrade after time & won't hold air for long. Seeing up a whole tire by hand is a big job. I'm sure they have machines that do it at the factory. Pulling the backing off the tire, fixing the tube & putting it all back together isn't too big of a job if you are careful. YouTube has some instructionas

Maybe: you all are almost convincing me to give up the idea.

Tires are 18-months or younger. Vittoria Corsa EVO-CX II's.

rootboy 10-11-13 06:51 AM

What? Don't give up. While repairing tubulars is a pain in the yazoo, consider it part of the process, dues, as it were, for riding the best.
It's not all that hard. I have to admit I haven't had to repair one in ages but, go for it. It's not all that hard and can be rewarding, if you like to work with your hands.

By the way, I wouldn't use liquid latex solution to glue the base tape back down to the casing. Not very strong. I use contact cement or something similar. Two light coats on the casing after re-stitching. Pay particular attention to the stitching before you cut it and try to make it as smooth as possible when you re-stitch.

mkadam68 10-11-13 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by rootboy (Post 16151667)
What? Don't give up.

No... give up the idea of replacing the whole tube and instead, just repair the hole.

DiabloScott 10-11-13 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by rootboy (Post 16151667)
What? Don't give up. While repairing tubulars is a pain in the yazoo, consider it part of the process, dues, as it were, for riding the best.
It's not all that hard. I have to admit I haven't had to repair one in ages but, go for it. It's not all that hard and can be rewarding, if you like to work with your hands.

By the way, I wouldn't use liquid latex solution to glue the base tape back down to the casing. Not very strong. I use contact cement or something similar. Two light coats on the casing after re-stitching. Pay particular attention to the stitching before you cut it and try to make it as smooth as possible when you re-stitch.

It's an experience everyone should have... but it's not easy to do a good job.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-B...16%2520023.jpg

RobbieTunes 10-11-13 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by Blue Belly (Post 16151049)
on a side note....tubular clinchers have always seemed really odd. I rode them one time. Felt like a clincher with weight added to it. Anyone like them?

I think a lot of them, and like them. My Tufo C S33 Pro's are light, handle well and wear well. They don't need a lever and change faster than any tubular or clincher, with no levers. Tufo's get "round" at about 120psi, and seem "oval" below that, so I keep them at 125-130. As my clinchers wear out, I move to these. The only downside is having to carry a spare. I don't mind.

Right now, I've got a set on DA 7900/C24 carbon clinchers and Mavic Ksyrium SSC/Heliums. Smooth and durable, quiet and clean.

But I'm ambivalent.

Blue Belly 10-11-13 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by RobbieTunes (Post 16152990)
I think a lot of them, and like them. My Tufo C S33 Pro's are light, handle well and wear well. They don't need a lever and change faster than any tubular or clincher, with no levers. Tufo's get "round" at about 120psi, and seem "oval" below that, so I keep them at 125-130. As my clinchers wear out, I move to these. The only downside is having to carry a spare. I don't mind.

Right now, I've got a set on DA 7900/C24 carbon clinchers and Mavic Ksyrium SSC/Heliums. Smooth and durable, quiet and clean.

But I'm ambivalent.

if ya ride sewups, you carry a spare anyway. I accustomed to that. Maybe I should give them another try.

JJScaliger 10-22-13 06:13 PM

I like Vittoria Rallys. The lumps and all. There, I said it.

sced 10-23-13 05:20 AM


Originally Posted by JJScaliger (Post 16182985)
I like Vittoria Rallys. The lumps and all. There, I said it.

Good for you! I'm a cheap tubular guy too and can't buy all the talk about $100 tires being better than sex. I've had better luck with the Continental Giros which are about the same price as Rallys, but none of them last very long for me. Perhaps I'm too heavy at 195.

JJScaliger 10-23-13 06:46 AM

It's a crap shoot on any tubular, regardless of price, whether you get a flat or not. I've only been riding them for 2 years and I have tried a few different types: Conti sprinter gatorskins, rallys, yellow jersey sc,and vittoria corsa evo . I've even had some old tubulars on wheels I've purchased last around 500 miles (clement and wobler). For me they all seem to last somewhere in the 500-1000 range for the rear wheel (the fronts last considerably longer.) I'm very careful not to ride all the way over on the side of the road where debris accumulates and I try not to ride in the rain when more stuff sticks to the tire.

I'm thinking about getting some flint savers. Maybe they will increase the longevity of my tires. I think vittoria corsa evo is the sweet spot for price and performance, if they lasted longer.

I like the deliberateness of tubulars and the lightness, but I can't afford to spend $100 on a consumable product every 2-3 months.

Grand Bois 10-23-13 07:03 AM

You want tire savers or flint catchers. Definitely not flint savers or tire catchers!

rootboy 10-23-13 07:22 AM

Or, as a woman in Wyoming I sold some to called them ...Sticker Flickers.

smontanaro 10-23-13 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by JJScaliger (Post 16184012)
I like the deliberateness of tubulars and the lightness, but I can't afford to spend $100 on a consumable product every 2-3 months.

If you don't want to repair them yourself, there is Tire Alert. I recently had four repaired and the base tapes replaced on two more. Total price was $129. (I have yet to try any of them out, as I have been busy with this fixed gear Trek that has Paselas.)

Six jours 10-23-13 07:55 PM

At the risk of being labeled a snob, I really don't see much point in cheap tubulars. They're heavy, wobbly, lumpy, harsh-riding, and flat-prone. I much prefer a decent clincher to a cheap tubular.

Decades ago it was possible to buy mid-range tubulars for training. These were decent, but not great. The Conti Sprinter was a fairly typical example, selling for $25-$30 in the mid-to-late 1980s. Now, as far as I can tell the choice is either bottom-of-the-barrel or top end. That's a real shame - but again, handmade tubulars offer a startlingly nice ride, and can be expected to go for 2000 miles on the back wheel, at which point the tires can be rotated and another 1000 or 1500 miles gotten out of them. (Yes, I know those figures will be met with disbelief by the Vittoria Rally crowd - which is illustrative, if you think about it.)

Grand Bois 10-24-13 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by rootboy (Post 16184084)
Or, as a woman in Wyoming I sold some to called them ...Sticker Flickers.

I like that!

rootboy 10-24-13 10:52 AM

Me too. And though I'm from the same general area, I had never heard them called that before. Of course, she ordered some for the Goat head stickers.


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