The second one always does.

Just tried out the Vittoria Corsa tubs I picked up this weekend.
All I can say is WOW!!
As the LBS owner told me, they ride really really nice and fast! It feels like day and night compared to the Continental Giros I bought a couple of months ago and definitely faster than the Schwalbe Milanos (Now out of production) I have on three of my bikes. I cannot believe how minimal the rolling resistance is on these Vittorias. My Bottecchia never went so fast just freewheeling on the slightest downhill grades. The LBS owner said that it might have something to do with the "Graphene" compound on the tire. The tire is also well constructed, with laser straight treads and very clean tan (Yay!!) sidewalls. It says in big letters on the base tape "Hand Made" I thought most of tubs are hand made, but I guess they just put their best technicians on these tires to assure the highest quality.....
My most expensive tires so far at 100 bucks each with a big discount from the LBS, and they are worth it.
I guess I finally found my new favorite tubular tire..... I just hope I can keep affording them in the future.

@Chombi1, Which variety of Corsa? I'm interested in trying out their Corsa G+ model. I've tried lots of versions of Vittora tires, and agree they put out some good rubber. I do find they tend to wear out quicker than other tubulars and are more prone to nicks (so watch out for glass and road debris, goes without saying I guess), but they certainly do have an excellent road feel. Supple and good traction around corners.

p.s., when did Chombi become Chombi1?

My latest tubular purchase, a pair of 32mm Dugast Pipisquallos. Used, but still too good of a deal to pass up, especially since I just wore one of a pair of these same tires. Now I have a set again, plus a spare.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dugast-Pipi...72.m2749.l2648

The paper labels do say "G+" and "Graphene"I don't remember if it was on the sidewall though...
The shop owner and a customer noted to me that the Graphene seems to extend tire life and that they get a lot more mileage than other tires with the similar grip.
I lost my original "Chombi" account when I changed jobs. Made the mistake of using my former work address as my subscription address, so I could not renew when my subscription expired on me.

I bought 2 sets of the "Graphines" last Year when one of the UK Sites had them on sale for $62 Cad. each. They are the nicest Tyres I have ever used. Just be ready to deploy your Air pump before every ride.

Vittoria's website blows. They don't give any information on TPI or what type of tube. I like the Corsa Elite with butyl tubes but it's discontinued. The Corsa Control looks similar but I don't know. It doesn't even come in a 23. Don't tell me 23's are dying out.

I think the Corsa Control is the replacement for the Pave.

It doesn't come in a 23c so that kills that tire for me. I looked at the regular Corsa at an online store and it has a latex tube so I don't want that one, either. The Rubino is too low end. Vittoria doesn't make a tire for me anymore.

I don't run anything under 25's anymore. Don't see any advantages to 23's. I think you will find most MFG.s think 23's and under are going the way of the Dodo.

I jumped on the bigger tire bandwagon for a few years and now I'm back to 23's. It's just the right size for me, especially in a tubular.

I was seriously debating on selling my wheels and going back to clinchers full time but I decided to stick it out. The Veloflex Roubaix tire is very attractive to me for it's looks and it's reputation(durability and feel). Has anyone had these for any amount of time? How do you like them? My roads here are not in great condition and they seem to be laying more chip-seal every year so I am not looking for a full on racing tire. I would be open to other suggestions but not for conti tires as I have had a bad past with conti and sidewall issues.

I've been watching the available offerings for replacements - but hoping they bring back the Pave before I need to choose.

Vittoria Corsa Control Latex 28
DuGast Paris-Roubaix Butyl 27
Veloflex Vlaanderen Latex 27
FMB Paris-Roubaix Latex 27

The Vittoria Corsas I got are 23s and have tan sodewalls to boot. My LBS did have to look around a bit to find them..They did suggest going with 25s instead, but I wanted to make sure that I can use the wheelset it is on on my Montello with the very minimal clearance under its front Delta caliper.....

With the Tyers mounted the 25's measure to 24.7 on my Calipers.

Has anyone tried the Vredestein Fortezza Senso Extreme 25 mm tubulars?

I looked at those but they're only 120 tpi. I bought the Frecca Pro's and I love them. They're discontinued now but looking at it again I think the Frecca T is the same tire.

I put in too many miles, I would go through those super soft tires too fast. The difference in rolling resistance wouldn't make me measurably faster.

Bit of a late reply...I’ve had Veloflex Roubaix tubs on one of my bikes for about three or four years now. That bike doesn’t see super high mileage, but gets out plenty during the summers. I love the tires. Great feel and grip, no flats in that time. I have a set of their Vlaanderen tubs waiting to be glued to a set of 330s, excited to give those a try as well.

I ruined another tire last week (my spare - tufo high carbon) When I got home I found a 1" cut from the center tread to almost the bead. The tire didn't flat but it is no longer usable. I didn't want to wait for some veloflex so my LBS sold me a set of conti sprinters(I know I didn't want a 'racing' tire) at their recommendation for $80 each CDN$ I have them glued and mounted and so far I love the feel. We will see about the durability.

750-1000 miles.
Be careful where you ride
They are fast, smooth tires.

For durability and price, hard to beat Tufo's, and they come in a 700x24.
However, they are stiff, and I'm not sure I'd take an off-camber downhill hard turn in them, at full speed.

I use them because they wear like iron, and ride sort of like it, too.

Yeah I read they aren't they supple. And you can't patch them. These Vredstein's I got are perfect. I already have 500 miles on them and no sign of wear, and they ride really smooth. They have that tubular sound. I like the harder compound strip down the middle, it's like the Forte Pro+ clinchers I used and those last thousands of miles without squaring off.

I just picked up my very first set of tubular tires for a bike I'm building. The rims are Mavic GP 7 and the tires are Continental Gatorskin 700x25. I have them on the rims now pumped up to 125 to stretch. I'll take them off this weekend and glue them on. I'm debating trying my first glue job myself or going to my LBS.

I have been a fan of the Conti Sprinters, before switching to Veloflex. i think they are 22mm, and several years old. No flats, a good ride for 22s. Are the new Sprinters 25mm???