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Fenway 04-26-12 01:04 PM

That is a 26" chain-case from Yellow Jersey btw. Fashioned the brackets from copper pipe straps and drilled an extra mounting hole through the case to align with the fender screw at the rear dropout. Though at the bottom bracket I'd recommend creating an over sized L bracket secured to the top of a prop-stand bolt. Do that to avoid lots of frustration getting a pipe strap perfectly bent under your prop-stand to keep the case in the tight non-rubbing chain line. I can take pictures later.

GordoTrek 04-26-12 01:29 PM

heres my 75 raleigh sports in root beer brown
 
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http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=246872

in the process of being restored, lots of rust on the chrome , and a few spots on the frame.. first 3 speed can't wait to ride it

noglider 04-26-12 02:18 PM

Looks great already, GordoTrek. Treat yourself to a proper saddle. I happen to like the B72, but you might like the B66.

DaytonaMike 04-26-12 05:53 PM

Photogravity,

Thanks for the kind words but the camera may be hiding a few blemishes! She has some rust and scratches but is not bad looking from ten feet. The gent I bought her from is a vendor I know from work and he was very up front with me about the condition before I went to go see the bike. He said there was some rust on the chrome and frame as well as scratches and fading. Far from pristine but not a wreck, he also said the tires held air but were completely dry rotted and not safe. He was asking $75 but said he was flexible.

When I went to go look at the bike I immediately saw it had two brand new tires and tubes. The seller told me he did not feel right selling the bike with bad tires and took it to his lbs for new tires/tubes that morning. I also saw the bike had a Pletscher rack that was in perfect conditionthat he did not mention and this was something I would have been looking for 10 minutes after buying the bike anyway. I asked how much he paid for the tires and said not to worry about it. I did the math in my head and figured that two tires had cost him $15 a piece at least and the tubes had to be $5 each, add in some labor and sales tax and he must have spent $50 on rubber that morning. I told him instead of working him down from $75 that I would give him $100. He said no way, $65. This was the first time I had ever tried to talk a seller up and had a seller try and talk me down! We had a good laugh and settled on $75 but Istill feel a bit bad.

I used some bronze wool and oil on the chrome along with some wax. I used some compound on the frame and fenders and then used an oilyrag. I installed Kool Stop brake pads and they made a big difference. The brakes that were on the bike were some kind of oval replacement pads but they did nothing to slow the bike down. I also had to replace the shifter cable since it was frayed. I also changed the sproket to a 22T and installed a new chain. A few drops of oil in the rear hub and she was good to go.

I plan to put a Brooks B66 on her and some kind of saddlebag. The one that is there is original but the leather straps are ripped.

Andrew R Stewart 04-26-12 07:48 PM


Originally Posted by photogravity (Post 14148642)
Andrew, I like that quite a bit, especially with the integrated rack. You should post that in the framebuilders forum for them to see, if you haven't already. What tubing did you use? Also, what is the geometry?

Thanks but been there, done that. Well, not on this forum but another, now defunct. My passion is fabracating not SA equiped bikes. This hub had been calling for a steed for too long. The tubing is mostly True Temper Verus, as most of my builds are. Geometry blended my Mongoose Tomac Signiture and an old Philips 3-spd. Andy.

photogravity 04-26-12 08:00 PM


Originally Posted by DaytonaMike (Post 14150066)
Photogravity,

Thanks for the kind words but the camera may be hiding a few blemishes! She has some rust and scratches but is not bad looking from ten feet. The gent I bought her from is a vendor I know from work and he was very up front with me about the condition before I went to go see the bike. He said there was some rust on the chrome and frame as well as scratches and fading. Far from pristine but not a wreck, he also said the tires held air but were completely dry rotted and not safe. He was asking $75 but said he was flexible.

When I went to go look at the bike I immediately saw it had two brand new tires and tubes. The seller told me he did not feel right selling the bike with bad tires and took it to his lbs for new tires/tubes that morning. I also saw the bike had a Pletscher rack that was in perfect condition that he did not mention and this was something I would have been looking for 10 minutes after buying the bike anyway. I asked how much he paid for the tires and said not to worry about it. I did the math in my head and figured that two tires had cost him $15 a piece at least and the tubes had to be $5 each, add in some labor and sales tax and he must have spent $50 on rubber that morning. I told him instead of working him down from $75 that I would give him $100. He said no way, $65. This was the first time I had ever tried to talk a seller up and had a seller try and talk me down! We had a good laugh and settled on $75 but I still feel a bit bad.

I used some bronze wool and oil on the chrome along with some wax. I used some compound on the frame and fenders and then used an oily rag. I installed Kool Stop brake pads and they made a big difference. The brakes that were on the bike were some kind of oval replacement pads but they did nothing to slow the bike down. I also had to replace the shifter cable since it was frayed. I also changed the sproket to a 22T and installed a new chain. A few drops of oil in the rear hub and she was good to go.

I plan to put a Brooks B66 on her and some kind of saddlebag. The one that is there is original but the leather straps are ripped.

DaytonaMike you got a smoking deal on that bike! Wow! It is OK if the camera hides some of the blems. This bike is pushing 40 years old, so what do you expect? ;) It sounds like the guy that sold you the bike is a standup guy, something that is rare these days.

As far as the saddlebag is concerned, it seems a lot of folks use leather toe straps to replace the straps on their old bags, so maybe that will work for you with the existing bag.

photogravity 04-26-12 08:08 PM


Originally Posted by Andrew R Stewart (Post 14150438)
Thanks but been there, done that. Well, not on this forum but another, now defunct. My passion is fabracating not SA equiped bikes. This hub had been calling for a steed for too long. The tubing is mostly True Temper Verus, as most of my builds are. Geometry blended my Mongoose Tomac Signiture and an old Philips 3-spd. Andy.

Andrew thanks for sharing a bit more information on this frame. The old SA hubs are just such classics in their own right and it is really neat to see someone fabricate a frame around one of those old hubs. It appears the tubeset is the spiritual successor to that which was used on the old Hercules and Raleigh bikes. Very nice! :)

photogravity 04-26-12 08:10 PM


Originally Posted by GordoTrek (Post 14148959)
in the process of being restored, lots of rust on the chrome , and a few spots on the frame.. first 3 speed can't wait to ride it

Nice machine. Ride it like you stole it!

http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...2&d=1335468479

wahoonc 04-27-12 03:32 AM


Originally Posted by DaytonaMike (Post 14150066)
Photogravity,

I plan to put a Brooks B66 on her and some kind of saddlebag. The one that is there is original but the leather straps are ripped.

Nice looking Raleigh, I don't own any in the Coffee/Bronze :P.

Brooks is the only way to go IMHO. Lots of options on the bags. You can buy replacement bag straps from Acorn Bags.

Aaron :)

GordoTrek 04-27-12 05:35 AM

trust me thats not the saddle that came with it, i got an original brooks vinyl mattress with it, when its finished i might spring for a nice b66, love working on it, its more challenging then any modern bike ive worked on, although its nice to be able to take most of the parts off with an adjustable wrench and screw driver,

yellowbarber 04-27-12 06:39 AM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 14148522)
I would love to find one of these and would look at building up and adding a 4-5 speed freewheel and a rear derailleur to give me the mother of all dual drives. Consideration has to be given to the reduction gearing in the AW to make sure the cog selection creates a minimum of gearing overlap and gives the optimal gearing.

One might also need the longer SA axle to provide adequate clearance for a multi speed conversion.

That's what I thought could be done with this. In fact, I have a 63cm Super Course frameset that I was wondering what to do with. Now I'm starting to get some ideas.
27" Dunlop rims? Heron chainwheel? Alloy Bluemels?
hmmm

smontanaro 04-30-12 07:54 PM

Whether she realizes it or not, my lovely wife is beginning to feed the obsession. She came across an AMF Hercules step-through bike at a thrift store over the weekend. I have a few questions, so I put up a few photos.
  • What's with the upside down lettering on the shifter?
  • Can someone date this approximately? The seatpost collar is stamped "151 732". The SA hub is stamped "70 5", so early 70s at least. Maybe Feb 73?
  • Were there various models? I didn't see anything other than "AMF Hercules" on the chain guard.
  • Looks like the rear fender has been replaced. Does anyone recognize that?
  • Any idea where to get another of the rather cool looking white sidewall tires?

Thanks,

Skip

Sixty Fiver 04-30-12 08:15 PM


Originally Posted by yellowbarber (Post 14151670)
That's what I thought could be done with this. In fact, I have a 63cm Super Course frameset that I was wondering what to do with. Now I'm starting to get some ideas.
27" Dunlop rims? Heron chainwheel? Alloy Bluemels?
hmmm

Sounds familiar... think I saw something like that in my shop today.

smontanaro 04-30-12 08:57 PM

Poking around for an alternative source for the little SA oil caps, I came across this simple alternative. FYI...

Skip

yellowbarber 05-01-12 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 14164592)
Sounds familiar... think I saw something like that in my shop today.

too bad you're so far away, I'd come by to have a look.

I started having a discussion about my frameset with a local upcoming framebuilder who just finished an upright with a rebuilt +70yr old JC Higgins 3 speed hub.
not english...but, helping to gel the idea:
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=247725

wahoonc 05-01-12 06:35 PM


Originally Posted by smontanaro (Post 14164461)
Whether she realizes it or not, my lovely wife is beginning to feed the obsession. She came across an AMF Hercules step-through bike at a thrift store over the weekend. I have a few questions, so I put up a few photos.
  • What's with the upside down lettering on the shifter?
  • Can someone date this approximately? The seatpost collar is stamped "151 732". The SA hub is stamped "70 5", so early 70s at least. Maybe Feb 73?
  • Were there various models? I didn't see anything other than "AMF Hercules" on the chain guard.
  • Looks like the rear fender has been replaced. Does anyone recognize that?
  • Any idea where to get another of the rather cool looking white sidewall tires?

Thanks,

Skip

Linky to pictures not working :(

Hub date indicates a 1970 or possibly a 1971 model. The shifters from the era were printed "upside down" for some reason, there is a webpage that shows the various eras of shifters.

Only decent whitewall tires I have seen are Schwalbe Delta Cruisers.

Aaron :)

smontanaro 05-01-12 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by wahoonc (Post 14168744)
Linky to pictures not working :(

Sorry, I'm still new to publishing photo albums and sometimes forget the public part. It should be visible now.

Thanks for the other tips too.

Skip

hobbes62 05-01-12 07:14 PM

You did a great job on that frame, looks great!

gna 05-01-12 10:31 PM


Originally Posted by smontanaro (Post 14164461)
[*]Any idea where to get another of the rather cool looking white sidewall tires?[/LIST]

Kenda makes Whitewall K40s. I've only seen them in one place, though.

photogravity 05-02-12 05:00 AM


Originally Posted by smontanaro (Post 14164792)
Poking around for an alternative source for the little SA oil caps, I came across this simple alternative. FYI...

Skip

That's a great solution. Though not traditional by any means, I like its practicality.

silvercreek 05-03-12 07:21 AM


Originally Posted by JohnDThompson (Post 10435284)
Very nice. And speaking of English 3-speeds, is anyone else here planning on riding the Lake Pepin 3-Speed Tour in May? My wife and I are signed up. I'll be on my 1973 Superbe, and my wife will be on her 1974 Sport.

http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/superbe/01.jpghttp://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/sport/01.jpg

What model Brooks saddle is that?

wahoonc 05-03-12 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by silvercreek (Post 14175001)
What model Brooks saddle is that?

Looks like a B66 to me...

Aaron :)

gna 05-03-12 09:34 PM

By the way, who will be riding The Lake Pepin 3-Speed Tour this year?

bearcat714 05-04-12 07:35 AM

Huffy Sportsman 62/63
Just thought I would pass along for anyone within reach of Smyrna Delaware. Just saw a Ladies Huffy Sportsman 3 speed, made in england at a yard sale. SA hub has 62 stamped on it and the bike has a little surface rust but looks pretty good. If my wife were interested in collecting them I would grab it but she is not. Anybody out there interested I can let you know exactly where it was.
JS

Elad63 05-04-12 04:41 PM

subsribing to thread

Sixty Fiver 05-09-12 02:25 PM

One of the prettiest Sports I have ever seen... built it up for my house mate but he can't ride it due to balance issues so am hoping I can find it a new home.

http://www.ravingbikefiend.com/bikes...luesports1.JPG

The rims are NOS Mavic 650A... need to build myself another set of these as I have a few pairs left.

http://www.ravingbikefiend.com/bikes...ortsmavic1.JPG

photogravity 05-09-12 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by gna (Post 14178815)
By the way, who will be riding The Lake Pepin 3-Speed Tour this year?

I will be there on a mystery steed. Are you going to be there and, if so, what will you be riding?

noglider 05-09-12 02:39 PM

That's really nice, Sixty Fiver. I'm not sure I've ever seen that color on a Sports.

Sixty Fiver 05-09-12 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 14201892)
That's really nice, Sixty Fiver. I'm not sure I've ever seen that color on a Sports.

They seem to have gotten some brighter colours in the mid 70's... earlier bikes are pretty sedate in their colours.

miles.lowry 05-09-12 02:56 PM

Do you have the key for the fork lock? I would love to get one made for mine (seen in my avatar)


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